Fate/Mafia 2 - ENDGAME: And just let him ****ing die? - TOWN VICTORY

[vaanrose]

Well if you are wrong everything has to be re-evaluated

I've confirmed with Natz that the vote count was correct.

 

[vaanrose]

Why not maven?

Don't mistake, none of this is a defense of Maven.

It takes only 5 votes for a majority lynch now.

If there's 3 mafia left and one of them is a double voter, they've got 4 votes between them. ONE mislynch or ONE nightkill, and town's lost the majority.

 

[vaanrose]

Despite this, Golden suggests a tie to prove who is the double voter, ensuring the mislynch and ensuring the mafia keeps their double voter.

 

[Wolfie557]

This is adding the double voter is part of mafia. I think it is likely for this game tho.

 

[vaanrose]

Why would Golden suggest a tie? What are the potential outcomes of this?

Golden is not the double voter, and he dies. Okay. Goodbye useful lie detector. Since Golden should he's town, he's giving up a town role and putting the mafia one step closer to victory. He says it still proves one way or other who the double voter is, which it would, and that I can then kill Opo during the night. But he knows that requires the coordination between two players. Both mine and praline's actions need to successfully go off for this to work, and Golden, of all people, should suspect there's a roleblocker, since he claims to have been unable to check White. So one of us gets blocked, and mafia wins.

Or Golden is the double voter, and he lives, and lynching Opo wins them the game.

 

[vaanrose]

This is adding the double voter is part of mafia. I think it is likely for this game tho.

It 100% is. It the double voter was town, they'd have come forward by now, since BardulL's lynching proves their role.

 

[Wolfie557]

This is too much for me lmao good luck

 

[praline]

How many mafia do we assume are left? 2 or 3?

 

[vaanrose]

I'd like to revisit the circumstances of the Day Two lynch.

Now that I'm looking at it with a new perspective, things stand out to me. If we understand that the crux of Day 2 was me, Pokechu and partially Ura arguing that BOTH Bard and Uni are mafia, we know that the mafia are going to want Bard to be the one that's lynched. They cannot afford to let Uni be the one.

So the day begins. I had a case prepared against Uni and Bard. I suspected Uni more. I told a lot of people that, including Uni.

But before I can present it, Ura makes his case against Bard. If Uni and Bard are working together, it makes little difference, so I say, fine, let's push Bard today. I also knew that Uni had been given the dragon trait by Praline, so worst case scenario, I just kill Uni night two.

Right off the bat I know people are going to be suspicious of me because of Shiny. So one of the first things I post is a question to Golden.

All I'll really ask if you have anything to say about me or not.

And he replies

Your claim checked out.

So I suppose you and not-Frankenstein are on the up-and-up.

Okay. A bit frustratingly vague, but I understand playing your cards close to the chest at this juncture. I was hoping to be more definitively established as town so people trust my conclusions more, but I can work with this.

I state my case for Bard and Uni, Bard and I get in a fight, and I vote Bard. Golden then also votes Bard at this time, and signs off for the night.

Let's fast forward a moment to night 2. I ask Golden specifically which part of our conversation he checked. He specified he'd lie detected my entire role. Not just one sentence, like I'd expect. Four sentences, with several different possible true and false outcomes. Seems a might overpowered in this setup with several neutered roles, but okay, I'll buy it.

From that conversation:

I checked this:

"I believe I'm this game's Vig. The role is not called that in so many words, but I can kill at night. It comes with a stipulation, however; I can only kill players with the Dragon trait."

Rewind back to day two. When Golden comes back the next morning...

I may trust Vaan due to him saying something that would essentially confirm him as Town coming up true, but part of me is rather unsure if there is some emotion involved in the decision against Bard.... :/

"I may trust Vaan." He has my entire role confirmed as true and he may trust me? He's unsure about my decision to go against Bard, which, fair enough, I got heated. But he had also already cast his vote for him and never removed it. My judgment is based on emotion, enough to question it, but that's not enough to make him rethink his own vote?

Why even say this if you agree we should vote out Bardul, if not to weaken my position in the town?

In fact, I was the only person on the Bard train to ever unvote Bard. After people (rightfully) called me out for being a prick, I said fine, I wanted Unikorn in the first place anyway, and switched my vote. But nobody else did. My argument for Bard v. Uni makes enough sense for Golden to vote for Bard, but when people suggest I'm just biased against Bard and I unvote and attempt to move the train on to Uni, one of the very people who doesn't like the way I presented my case keeps his vote on Bard?

In fact, Golden came back later on and gave us another reason to suspect Bard, the fact that he was an Avenger. That's the very reason I switched my vote back.

So why would Golden make a point to question my judgment about Bard, only to keep his own vote on Bard and not join me in voting Uni instead?

Because Bard was town almost about to get mis-lynched, and Uni was mafia.

 

[vaanrose]

What did Opo do?

Show up at the end of the phase and cast a vote with little fanfair, the same way he did the day before.

 

[Wolfie557]

Good luck

Im done here

 

[vaanrose]

Good luck

Im done here

Ay, I've made my case now, agree or disagree?

 

[Wolfie557]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I sneak in the night and I'll find out the mafia maybe then idk now lol

 

[Opossum]

Dude why the **** do you still think I'm Mafia?

 

[vaanrose]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I sneak in the night and I'll find out the mafia maybe then idk now lol

Give me a little bit of faith and vote Golden. Every town vote matters when there's a double voter.

 

[Wolfie557]

I think the mafia has to be someone that isn't Ura that's all I know lmao

 

[Opossum]

Actually, vaan, how do we know you aren't the double voter?

 

[vaanrose]

Dude why the **** do you still think I'm Mafia?

Did you read my posts?

 

[Wolfie557]

Give me a little bit of faith and vote Golden. Every town vote matters when there's a double voter.

Vote: Vaan

i need to think it through but might fall asleep lol

 

[Opossum]

Did you read my posts?

What I read was a bunch of hogwash pretending to be evidence.

 

[vaanrose]

Actually, vaan, how do we know you aren't the double voter?

I'm the Vig. Even if we assume Golden is lying about being a lie detector, Maven has claimed to be a universal backup for Watcher, Jailer and Vig.

 

[vaanrose]

Vote: Vaan

i need to think it through but might fall asleep lol

Dude, I was standing up for you. I'm literally THE reason Uni is dead and not you.

 

[Opossum]

Unvote

Vote: White

Not cool, scum.

 

[Wolfie557]

Found my answer
Unvote vaan
Vote Oppo

 

[Wolfie557]

Wow and here I was thinking I'm towns equivalent of vig cos there is no normal vig lol

 

[vaanrose]

I brought up the double voter in the first place. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if it weren't for me.

Natz confirmed the vote count. There were 6 votes for a 7 lynch. I'm the one who pointed this out.

I'm THE reason Uni is dead. I've been calling him Mafia since night one.

 

[Wolfie557]

Maven needs to prove himself

 

[vaanrose]

Literally the entire reason town even has a chance right now is 100% because of me.

 

[Wolfie557]

Yes thank you uni is dead I wasn't here to push him

 

[praline]

I’ll think White is mafia until he flips town... if he does.

 

[Opossum]

Wow and here I was thinking I'm towns equivalent of vig cos there is no normal vig lol

Found my answer
Unvote vaan
Vote Oppo

What the **** answer were you looking for? There's no reason for this.

 

[vaanrose]

Vote: Golden

 

[Wolfie557]

Literally the entire reason town even has a chance right now is 100% because of me.

Okay don't get cocky

What's with the super defensive mode (thinking)

 

[vaanrose]

I’ll think White is mafia until he flips town... if he does.

But why? That means White and Uni both claimed the same role despite being on the same team.

 

[praline]

Vote Golden

 

[vaanrose]

Okay don't get cocky

What's with the super defensive mode (thinking)

Because I'm your biggest advocate right now and you vote against me.

 

[Opossum]

But why? That means White and Uni both claimed the same role despite being on the same team.

White's done dumber things before. Case in point, him voting for the doctor.

 

[praline]

But why? That means White and Uni both claimed the same role despite being on the same team.

I just don’t get why he has poison when my role is to make people immune to it...

 

[Opossum]

I just don’t get why he has poison when my role is to make people immune to it...

Then vote for him. Best case scenario he's third party. Either way he's a threat.

 

[Ura]

I'm not saying he left it out purposely, but maybe he just didn't notice it.

Ura
Any chance your refresh gives a double vote?

Sorry I was gone for the past 3 hours.

No my power only recharges someone to use their ability again. There isn't any voting powers attached to it.