Fair -> UpB on shields ****

[lain]

Discuss.

 

[Zankoku]

Only on people who habitually shieldgrab against a poorly spaced fair.

 

[lain]

Well, after spacing fairs and everything so well against them, suddenly you land inwards with a fair (and to your opponent, this looks like a misspacing) and they go for a shield drop to something, or a grab, they just got upb'd.

At least it works against Alan, ankoku XDDDD

 

[Pierce7d]

Agreed. See 3:29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFnMq2mIUx8

 

[Zankoku]

Let me go more in-depth with my post.

Yes, it's a nice frame trap and really nice punishment for those you can predict who try to respond out of shield every time. It stops a whole lot of things. But it's heavily punishable if they go ahead and shield your Up+B too.

Situationally useful against people who keep trying to punish you from their shield, but an extremely bad tactic to try to abuse too often.

 

[1170]

It's pretty sweet, when it works. When it doesn't, you get screwed (badly). Use db instead. Their are plenty of ways to punish that without dolphin slash.

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, yeah, but it looks sexy.

Not something I'd recommend for competitive play unless you've heavily conditioned your opponent.

 

[Zankoku]

It's pretty sweet, when it works. When it doesn't, you get screwed (badly). Use db instead. Their are plenty of ways to punish that without dolphin slash.

The point of using Dolphin Slash is to frametrap an opponent on a situation when you would normally be vulnerable, taking advantage of the invulnerability frames 1-5. Dancing Blade doesn't accomplish that and is a punishment for attempting to do something against a properly spaced fair.

 

[_Kadaj_]

As a serious tatic I DO NOT recommend this to any marth player ever. Take it from me just don't unless your playing a mega super gastronomic hyper gigantor ultra omega scrub. Plz don't use this tactic more than likely your opponent will expect you to do double f-airs so as a basic reaction they will block and or roll the whole time

 

[Steel]

Or you could like you know, play it safe and not take a risk.

 

[crazn137]

Take it from me just don't unless your playing a mega super gastronomic hyper gigantor ultra omega scrub.

Hah, a bit too much on the description, but he gets the point across.

 

[VietGeek]

Take it from me just don't unless your playing a mega super gastronomic hyper gigantor ultra omega scrub.

So...

hand them a twenty?

 

[Pierce7d]

As a serious tatic I DO NOT recommend this to any marth player ever. Take it from me just don't unless your playing a mega super gastronomic hyper gigantor ultra omega scrub. Plz don't use this tactic more than likely your opponent will expect you to do double f-airs so as a basic reaction they will block and or roll the whole time

Unless . . . like I said, you condition them. Your opponent won't expect you to double fair if . . . y'know, you don't. And they'll know if you land in front of them whiffing a Fair, and probably will attempt to punish.

Still, it's TOO quick for some players, and they'll just keep shielding. I like to risk it sometimes on BF, when I have the high platform to retreat to.

 

[mikeHAZE]

why wouldn't you just forward smash assuming they drop their shield?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Grab = 7 frames

F-smash = 10 frames

I think you can figure it out from here as to why f-smash wouldn't work out if you land right next to your opponent and they attempt a shield grab.

 

[mikeHAZE]

i guess.


10 chars

 

[OmegaXF]

As a serious tatic I DO NOT recommend this to any marth player ever. Take it from me just don't unless your playing a mega super gastronomic hyper gigantor ultra omega scrub. Plz don't use this tactic more than likely your opponent will expect you to do double f-airs so as a basic reaction they will block and or roll the whole time

Omg you used the word Omega extremly wrong....in other news try to implement it into something unexpected. Dont ever consider a strategy with Marth useless or unefective (spelling sucks)

 

[gallax]

hey EL...how do you get your info about frame counts? what do you use?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Word of mouth from other people that have this kind of info.

 

[mikeHAZE]

meaning he made it up

 

[Emblem Lord]

Yeah sure why not.

 

[lain]

Basically, this is still ****.

 

[Pierce7d]

If you want to play it completely safe, just jab.

 

[Zankoku]

Still not fast enough. Marth's jab is like... hit on frame 4, while a lot of the faster characters have 2-frame-hit jabs. If you want to play completely safe, don't recklessly fair into a shield without spacing.

Of course, lain thinks that this will save him and Panda for whatever reason isn't learning. >_>

 

[Pierce7d]

Still not fast enough. Marth's jab is like... hit on frame 4, while a lot of the faster characters have 2-frame-hit jabs. If you want to play completely safe, don't recklessly fair into a shield without spacing.

You're right.

 

[Hype]

I've been doing this vs Falco and characters who really want the grab.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Omg you used the word Omega extremly wrong....in other news try to implement it into something unexpected. Dont ever consider a strategy with Marth useless or unefective (spelling sucks)

the funny thing about this is that you spelled uneffective wrong, which isn't a word, it is ineffective, and you also misspelled extremely, and you didn't put an apostrophe in don't. Oh, the irony...


And Hype, I think all Falcos really want to grab.

 

[lain]

It's simple..
In some situations for the opponent, getting the grab is better then just shield-dropping -> something. Obviously this is not to be overused, just sparingly. After using it a bit, try fairing and then grabbing right afterwards.

I got mixups and traps all day baby.

>=)

 

[Zankoku]

The day you've got your opponent completely read is the day you can hit his shield with a fair and then charge an fsmash.

 

[crazn137]

The day you've got your opponent completely read is the day you can hit his shield with a fair and then charge an fsmash.

Thats gonna take some nasty mindgames.

 

[Graz69]

the upB is **** when your opponent is at high damage, but at low damage it sucks bc it leaves you wide open to get hit