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The funny (and sad) thing is that Falco could easily just take the hit and be fine, since bombs have almost no hitstun.
It has something to do with samus's perceived center of mass after a double jump is used, it allowed the fair to come out while not contacting plat, then collision thingy got interrupted and forced a land. Not just a short double jump :/
Well, look at who decided to use that exact strategy. Even the commentators pointed out that Plup would always try to go for that trade if possible, lolz.Now, upB's hitbox and frame data is perfect for ensuring beat-outs or trades, but in my experience, I find that one of the best ways to hit the spacees, especially Fox, OoS with upB is to actually trade with it on their aerial. Why? Well, the spacees get flung up in a good bit of hitstun from even just the first hit of upB. However, Samus usually can't take advantage of it because she is going through the entire Screw Attack motions herself. By trading, Samus gets knocked out of the upB animation early with minimal KB and the spacee is still flung up into the air, leaving Samus completely free to follow up.
I personally actually aim for trades for this reason sometimes when I know the opponent is going to dairshine and it works!If it's Fox, Samus gets knocked lightly out of upB and has all the time in the world to retaliate. If it's Falco, at low %'s, it's the same as with Fox but with a little more hitstun for Samus, and at mid-high %'s, you just have to make sure you tech the ground. This 'cancelled upB' combos into pretty much anything way more reliably than the full upB does.
Oh I was joking. Not only is this very unsafe, it's also ridiculously difficult looking.
dude the spot you linked us to in the video... it wasnt advantageous for samus, she lost positioning and percent... regardless what the commentators point out... its not always optimal to make that trade... literally proven by the video you posted where in that situations plup came out in the red.......... :/Don't mean to revive dead topics, but this one was never really settled... Remember this post I made from two years ago (and the argument it sparked)?
Well, look at who decided to use that exact strategy. Even the commentators pointed out that Plup would always try to go for that trade if possible, lolz.
UpB trades with Falco's dair are great.
The time-stamp went to the 10 second mark, right? Even if Falco hadn't gotten knocked offstage, it's a free tech-chase if he lands on a platform and a free combo if he doesn't. Why do you care about taking damage when we're playing a character that's literally made to tank hits? <__<Again, plup no longer plays samus, and dont **** ride as his reaction decision to justify a baseless claim of always use this option. Just go home and do your homework instead of just guessing based on choices of better players.She lost positioning.....from knocking Falco offstage?
Whatever, lolz, I don't really care. I was just reminded of this old conversation when I saw that, but I had already agreed to disagree a long time ago. I don't think the best Samus in the world would decide to upB like that when it was blatantly obvious Falco was gonna come down with dair after spending his DJ if he thought the trade was bad.
inb4 you say something like plup no long plays samus, lolz
Not realistic to practice against a shield that does not diminish, you need to hit much closer to inner part of shield to get 2 out and the angle for the wavedash changes as well so you dont get naired, baired, or grabed OoS. Like cool you got a swd into wavebomb, but its not new tech nor is it that hard. Like if you wanted to legit practice or put up a preview for EVO, do a video of AIing from both of battlefield's ledges 100% invins 15+ times and that is a preview video id be impressed with. Just my thoughts and opinions, not trying to take anything away from you, still looked awesome and I look forward to more.
I'm aware. I was doing double bombs for full/light shields and single bombs for small shields. I'm also aware that any character can just buffer roll to escape the 'bomb pressure' I'm putting out, but this is going to be in response to a few tactics I've been going up against (For example, when spacies expect an UpB out of shield and hold shield in anticipation. I can get some free shield damage or a wave land escape).
No discussion because the same result happened last time they played, Hugs beat leffen too, a lot of people including leffen just claim its a mental block in the MU. There is also a reason Plup does not play samus against Mang0 and that is because he would get wrecked (no offense plup, just my opinion here but you certainly got his number with shiek)
Yo...
Yo plup, why you no play leffen in some friendlies? Really don't want him to get the exp? Or just flat out dont like him?
To be fair I try to load my post with s**t :/ lol jk to be fair though melee boards are no where near as bad as PM, I gave that **** up as a lost cause a whileeeee ago
Also people are much less likely to be a **** over facebook or skype ;p but to be fair top players will rarely go on skype calls or facebook discussions. Personally the stupidity of the masses has made me lose faith in posting for the most part and since I joined smash boards my desire to post has gone from two rabbits banging to begrudgingly responding when something pisses me off enough
I could not, but I chose to. Are you even surprised bruh?
