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[Crimson King]

LOL @ Omni's catching Chaco's gaffe. If all the vanillas claim, we just handed the game to the mafia even faster. GG, dude.

 

[Omni]

not sure if i like how you're also using the term mafia, CK. i went back to do a quick reread and you began using the term scum but now you're using the term mafia like Chaco. i believe chibo and tom have been using the term scum consistently

=/ @ you claiming

hm.

have a feeling air's going to come in here and parrot. really not liking not having Kevin here.

unvote

Vote: Chaco

L-1

 

[Crimson King]

It's a force of habit. Werewolves, at this point, is synonymous with Mafia to me.

 

[Chaco]

Mafia=Scum=Anti-Town

Omni, your impulsion will lose the game for us if you're not careful.

 

[Chaco]

LOL @ Omni's catching Chaco's gaffe. If all the vanillas claim, we just handed the game to the mafia even faster. GG, dude.

That's not the point of Tom's plan. The point is seeing how mafia will claim, or not claim. Thus if we have more than 3 VTs claim. You randomly lynch one and have a high chance of hitting scum. Permitting both claim.

 

[Tom]

unvote

ChiboSempai, Omni, and CK have all attributed towns problems in this setup as problems in my plan. The problems - very close chance of having a PR die, the set 33% and 50% claim situations with town and scum - exist whether or not we follow my plan or not. Recognize that, and do not attribute those tense situations solely to me and my plan, or you are either 1) not thinking things through and re-routing the hard aspects of the setup towards a "bad" plan and a "bad" person or 2) scum getting away with sheeping a simple (and simply flawed) case.

Yes, Omni, it is hard to deal with KevinM not being here at all and Airgemini being here but not saying anything at all. I would rather replace Airgemini than KevinM because I know Kevin is without internet and coming back on Monday, but I don't know whats up with air.

@MOD: Will you please prod Airgemini for any intent to play the game, and give us the yes/no response and if no, replace him with -Hilt-?

Airgemini has posted since this time. - Mod

Tom, I'm saying I don't see the advantages to it because if you want to avoid outting a PR on Day 1, then No Lynch is a better option. I neglected to bring this up before to see if someone would bring it up first, and you did - but I don't buy your reason for why No Lynch isn't better. Just so we lessen the claim pool for everyone? You're knowingly throwing away 2 townies into Day 2 with a greater chance of our PR going down Night 1.

You know what's a better idea? No Lynching twice. We'd be going into Day 3 with the same amount of people as your plan but with 2 nights of investigations instead of one, and a lesser chance of scum nailing a PR night one (since the ratio of VT to PR would be 3:2 instead of 2:2 with your plan).

No Lynching each night doesn't help us at all... You say that the scum would have less of a chance to hit a PR night one - but they also get TWO chances to hit a PR, one with less of a chance as my proposed night, and one with the same chance as my proposed night. What the **** are you even going to say now? That having one more *possible* good investigation is better than having better chances of narrowed claims? No.

It is a situation where we have to determine the lesser of two ****ty situations and take it. This is because its such a small game.

Let me preface this post by saying I skimmed a lot of the large posts because I've been a bit busy today/had a massive sinus attack. I read the shout out at me, but I am have a lot of trouble focusing on all the details. Here is my absolutely basic opinion of your suggestion to lynch a vanilla.

I like your idea a lot, honestly, except for one problem.

With the set-up:
3 Vanilla Townies
1 Town Cop
1 Town Seer
2 Mafiosi OR 2 Werewolves

As of now, mafia has a 2 in 5 chance of hitting a PR. Considering we have two investigative roles, I really have no idea the sanity of the cops, but let's pretend they are both sane and valuable.

K, by killing off one Townie, we reduce the town pool to 4, giving the mafia a 50% chance of hitting someone valuable to us on N1. The problem is we are assuming a lot. If Mafia misses the detectives, then on Day 2 we'll probably have three claims of investigations, which will lead us in different directions. If mafia hits a detective, we'll have two claims for the other role and have to deduce who is correct from there. Point is? It won't matter because a mislynch on Day 2 ends the game. Day 1 requires 4 to lynch (7 total), Day 2 requires 3 to lynch (5 total). If we mislynch the wrong claim on PR, mafia/werewolves win. To me, this is Tom leading us to a pretty awful position, which is pretty damn suspicious.

FOS: Tom
You are doing the exact thing you attacked Omni for following the town-botched Disney Mafia, and that is focus on breaking the game/working the format. You did this in Shaq Mafia but only after a few days of actually playing. So basically, I want you to address my concern with Day 2, which is if Mafia hits the detective toNight, there will be two claims for detective tomorrow. If Mafia misses, we will have 3 - 4 claims to sift through. Regardless, if we mislynch tomorrow, mafia wins.

1) I'm not leading you to a ****ty situation - we are already in a ****ty situation and I am trying to make the best of it by launching activity through completely relevant discussion. I am completely aware that we are almost in mylo/lylo when the game starts - you need to be completely aware that my plan does absolutely nothing to further that situation, and that we are already in that situation thanks to the setup. I address your worry about Day 2 in my plan by reminding you that its not caused by my plan but by the setup, and also remind you that if we scumhunt and choose someone to lynch today we could out a PR and then there is a 100% he dies, or by hitting scum they claim the PR that is actually relevant to this game (cop if there are mafiosi, fortune teller if there are werewolves) and we are put in a no-claim situation with the same odds as the one we are in now (just with absolutely no chance for a bingo investigation by the relevant investigative role).

2) Comparing Exten-Tom to Disney-Omni is a faulty comparison because Exten Tuy is an open setup and Disney was a closed setup; we know all roles in this game and can actually benefit from mapping out the game and being aware of our situations plus the possible coming situations and the percentages that go with them. I did this in Shaq mafia as we approached lylo and as I felt that we had a greater understanding of the setup - note that I only did it in Shaq mafia *after* we had a massclaim. Please respond to me whether or not you understand the differences and whether or not you recant your suspicion and accusation.

Please don't post if you need to preface - and by that I mean read everything and know that you understand it so that I don't have to question whether or not you are giving yourself an out.

CK - The sanity of the cop/seer is confirmed, it says so in the OP

Most of your position on what Tom said is similar to mine, in that if we knowingly lynch a townie (always a bad decision imo), there is a greater chance of scum nailing the PRs and what not.

If Tom is going over every possibility and stuff to the point of suggesting we off a known townie, I don't see how he missed the double no lynch situation, which is a similar idea, but a much better situation.

My personal FoS: Tom is also because of how I just can't see the Tom in most games ever wanting to even suggest a plan like this. Tom has shoved it down our throats that No Lynch is a bad decision and that our vote is our only weapon to kill scum and here he is wanting to not use it for that purpose.

Addressed all the faults of this FOS above. "This Tom isn't the Tom in most games" is terrible logic because not only is it in the nature of Mafia but also in the nature of a good Mafia player to strive to act the same in all games, but also you are comparing this Tom to all other Toms (both town AND scum), meaning the difference is NOT in my alignment but in the setup itself. Please acknowledge whether or not you understand the fault in your logic and the difference I just noted.

2 No Lynches puts us in a worse situation as I have detailed above. Please acknowledge my point and tell me whether or not you now agree or if you still disagree, and if you still disagree, you had best do it with logic and not "well I still think it sucks" because all our situations suck.

I, for one, actually think Tom's plan has a lot of merit to it. In an open set up, it really narrows what scum can fake claim. So by having the vanillas claim on D1, it sets aside the PRs for later game. HOWEVER, this can also hurt town a great deal. It has a lot of room for error. With all the PRs known, it gives mafia a good pool to choose from.

Now, what's good is that there are only 3 VTs. But even still, that makes up almost half of the game.

I'd support this idea, because I believe if executed correctly will seal a win.

Chaco this post absolutely sucks. My plan is not to have the vanillas claim D1 and that would be a ****ty ass plan because it would result in PRs dying N1 and N2. I want to use PR claims as an advantage later in the game, not have them be our fodder. How can you put support behind my plan when you don't even have my plan right?

I need to see a lot more from you to feel comfortable with your alignment. I have unvoted because if you are scum I don't want you acting pressured and claiming the relevant investigative role - but know that this was a bad post of yours.

i think the idea is to have one vanilla claim and be sacrificed. having all the vanilla's claim = guaranteed PR death.

i dont think you're thinking this through. also, interesting that you use the term mafia since scum can be either mafia or werewolves.

FoS: Chaco

@Tom: i dont think the lynch pool being narrowed to 50/50 for Day 2 and 3 is solid

if a vanilla is lynched and a vanilla dies N1, then there is only one vanilla and 2 investigators. scum will most likely CC one investigative role and one vanilla role which will give us one cleared pivot but no real advantage. the only outcome i see with this method is that we start Day 2 in lylo with a clear pivot and a 50% to hit scum.

if an investigative role dies N1, then there are two vanillas and one investigative role left. scum will most likely CC one investigative role and one vanilla role again narrowing our Day 2 scum hit % to 50% (PR's) and vanillas 33%. if we get lucky and hit investigative scum on Day 2, remaining scum will kill off final investigative role and whatever investigation he received N1 will carry into Day 3. problem is that there's a good chance we could get "Not Mafia" or "Not Werewolf" meaning our use of PR's have been severely ineffective and we're going into Day 3 with only a 33% chance of hitting scum.

anyway, i agree with the FoS's givin to you.

@everyone: correct me if im wrong, but i think the most effective way to use the PR's in this game is to have them investigate the same person. it either clears or pins a single person, and scum can't CC an investigative role and botch the results with mixed flavor. i've never done a setup that had 2 flavor cops so.. yea.

@Air: you haven't said a word all game. you better be keeping up

what are we going to do about Kevin? i'd rather find a replacement but i doubt we'd find anyone active to take his place. ****s gay

If you don't think that it is solid, I encourage you to find out how solid our alternatives are and get back at me.

I don't know yet whether or not the most effective way to use the PR's is to have them investigate the same person. I need to think about that.

I really think we have about as good a chance if we just try to scumhunt rather than just lynch the vanilla to set-up for a hopeful advantage.

What about scum claiming the relevant PR to out him?

 

[Tom]

That's not the point of Tom's plan. The point is seeing how mafia will claim, or not claim. Thus if we have more than 3 VTs claim. You randomly lynch one and have a high chance of hitting scum. Permitting both claim.

The point is seeing how mafia will claim when we force a massclaim on Day 2, but absolutely not to have all 3 VTs claim Day 1 --- how would the latter help us at all?

 

[Tom]

We don't have to and shouldn't make any decision for the next few days. We should continue discussion, duh, but we also need to wait to hear from two players who haven't spoken at all.

 

[Airgemini]

I don't really like the idea.
I'm kind of with Chibo with the no lynching thing. If we lynch someone it'll give mafia two kills in one day/night. If we no lynch it'll lower that number to just one person from town that has to die.

@Omni: I don't really anything revealing about using the term mafia instead of scum.

I don't really know how I feel about CK's claim. If you're not comfortable with Tom's plan, why would you volunteer yourself to be the one that goes?

 

[Tom]

I don't really like the idea.
I'm kind of with Chibo with the no lynching thing. If we lynch someone it'll give mafia two kills in one day/night. If we no lynch it'll lower that number to just one person from town that has to die.

I need more than this from you.

We're not just lynching someone, we are lynching a vanilla. And then someone dies, be he a vanilla or a PR. Then we are at lylo with one guaranteed PR.

If we No Lynch twice, we get to lylo with no guaranteed PRs. How is that better?

And don't you recognize that at lylo, when we massclaim, having less VTs makes us stronger?

 

[Chaco]

The point is seeing how mafia will claim when we force a massclaim on Day 2, but absolutely not to have all 3 VTs claim Day 1 --- how would the latter help us at all?

I skimmed it. Although, the plan I derived from it is high risk-high reward. I thought it could be interesting in the aspect that it could prove to be highly successful. I still don't see it as utter suicide, but the hit on D1 would have to be successful.

As far as your real plan goes: No. Forcing a claim on D2 is near worthless in my opinion., because all you will have is a mess of CCs and invalid numbers. It'll be a near shot in the dark as to the true one. Results can be faked easily enough, and to be honest that would play to your power. I also don't like the idea of a single person pulling the strings behind it, because then it gives you this almost invulnerability-ish attitude, and a heap of WIFOM to go with it. All of which would prove to be worthless, and none of which could pull away any actual substance.

The plan is stupid. I was for the other because I wanted to see how it would work, this is the LoD so I'm not taking it that seriously. i saw it as a good opportunity to see how the set up works. Because I am interested in seeing if set-ups can be broken. That in itself however, cannot completely be applied here because the turn-out would vary upon the claims of the "scum". Where as a game like Texas Justice, you have the ~76% town win ratio everytime. Also working with other set ups to reveal better town win chances.

tl;dr: I just wanted to see how it works, and I oppose Tom's real plan.

 

[Chaco]

And don't you recognize that at lylo, when we massclaim, having less VTs makes us stronger?

PRs worth can vary with who is playing what position. So I definitely would not say this. Only thing is that it feeds your plan. That is why you are saying it is better.

A bad player behind a PR is worse than a good player behind a VT.

 

[CT Chia]

We're not just lynching someone, we are lynching a vanilla. And then someone dies, be he a vanilla or a PR. Then we are at lylo with one guaranteed PR.

If we No Lynch twice, we get to lylo with no guaranteed PRs. How is that better?

how is the pr guaranteed?

 

[Omni]

Unvote

thinking.

 

[Tom]

are you serious chibo? if there is only one possible nightkill then only one PR can die and the other can claim.



im in the process of mathing every situation out in my and chaco's plans because chaco's vague diction really bothered me and i need to find out if he is right or if i am right and what path i want us to take and the numbers why.

 

[Tom]

haha i would say i am halfway through mathing it all out btw, ive done chaco's and now i just have to do mine, but looking at chibo's next to ours is really ******** funny because its like (0% success, next day, 0% success, next day --> calculate if any PRs are still alive lol)

 

[CT Chia]

No Tom, I'm still going to say that your plan doesn't make sense compared to a double no lynch (not saying I'm backing this per se, I'm just saying it's better than your plan)

Toms Plan - Scum gets one NK on 4 townies, 2 PR 2 VT. 50% chance of leaving us with a PR killed
Double No Lynch - Scum gets two NKs. Night 1 kill is a 40% chance of nailing scum.
Night 2 chance of scum killing the other PR is 25%.
Now Tom, you seem worried that we will lose both of our PR. Guess what though, the percentage of that happening is a whopping 10% chance. Is it gonna happen? Not likely.
And guess what, we have a 30% chance that both of our PRs will live, compared to your plan of 0% chance of keeping both PRs alive. Couple that all with 2 nights of investigations, and it shows that the double no lynch is a much better plan than the lynch confirmed townie.

HOWEVER

thanks to CK's wonderful claim there, he completely ruins the plan and all the percentages we had since scum will obviously not go for him now.


So we're at a crossroads now...

Guess what, now if we follow Tom's plan of lynching confirmed VT (CK) is gonna have the same odds of the double No Lynch going into Day 2 of a PR dieing. Now that scum won't target CK, we have a...
16.5% chance that we end up at Day 3 with all PRs intact
and also a 16.5% chance that we end up with both PRs dead on Day 3.

Now, if we stray away from all these ridiculous plans here (which I feel is really benefiting scum, both by talking about guaranteed town lynches and diverting our attention from scum hunting and keeping us focused on everyone being secretive about our roles) we can instead use CK's claim here to narrow down our lynch pool, talk some more, and try and legit lynch some scum here. take CK out of the lynch pool and we've got a 33% chance of lynching scum.

At this point I feel that we should talk for a bit like a real mafia game (tom, your efforts to try and break the set up are really just hurting us imo) and lynch who we find is the most suspicious person, we'll be in a better situation.

Furthermore, I would like to ask that no one defend themselves by claiming. We want to make sure that we don't out any PRs so they can be targeted at night.

As per the bolded part above...

Vote: Tom

 

[CT Chia]

are you serious chibo? if there is only one possible nightkill then only one PR can die and the other can claim.

im in the process of mathing every situation out in my and chaco's plans because chaco's vague diction really bothered me and i need to find out if he is right or if i am right and what path i want us to take and the numbers why.

What's stopping scum for CC'ing?

haha i would say i am halfway through mathing it all out btw, ive done chaco's and now i just have to do mine, but looking at chibo's next to ours is really ******** funny because its like (0% success, next day, 0% success, next day --> calculate if any PRs are still alive lol)

Don't bother with the math, I've already got the important parts done. Shouldn't take you that long anyway
Thank you Discrete Mathematics.

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for February 21, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 4/7 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 1:​

Airgemini: (0)
Chaco: Crimson King ()
ChiboSempai: (0)
Crimson King: (0)
KevinM: (0)
Omni: (0)
Tom: ChiboSempai ()
Not Voting: Airgemini, Chaco, KevinM, Omni,Tom ( )

KevinM will be forcibly replaced if he is still inactive come Monday.

 

[Tom]

i guess i will map all of yours out too

but you are dumb. i did this to start discussion because it had obviously stagnated early (you actually came in to post "so is everyone okay?") so **** needed to be done. if i were scum i woudlnt have said *anything at all* you dimwit. my efforts to try to EXAMINE the setup have gotten people TALKING.

 

[Tom]

if scum CC then we have a 50/50 again

 

[Tom]

"dont bother with the math" you are an asshole and that is probably the dumbest thing you could say in a mafia game, "dont do your own thinking just trust mine" what are you a complete newbie?

 

[Tom]

no i take that back, "no one defend themselves by claiming" is probably the dumbest thing you could say. do you want a PR to just get right up against the ropes and shut his mouth and get lynched?

 

[Tom]

Don't bother with the math, I've already got the important parts done. Shouldn't take you that long anyway
Thank you Discrete Mathematics.

must be the only discrete thing you ever learned hahaha :laughie-face: **** you

 

[Omni]

ok

Vote: Tom

 

[CT Chia]

Hopefully I won't be forced to reply to your last 5 posts Tom because of how blatantly awful they are.

 

[Chaco]

Wh at, Tom?

 

[CT Chia]

I'm bored and have nothing to do so...

i guess i will map all of yours out too

but you are dumb. i did this to start discussion because it had obviously stagnated early (you actually came in to post "so is everyone okay?") so **** needed to be done. if i were scum i woudlnt have said *anything at all* you dimwit. my efforts to try to EXAMINE the setup have gotten people TALKING.

I honestly can't believe you would ever say such WIFOM like this

if scum CC then we have a 50/50 again

There's no if here, scum would CC unless they haven't read any of this thread and don't have half a thought. I don't know why you want to boil this entire game down to a coin flip. If that was a case and how mafia should be played, then every game would be 3 ppl 2 VT 1 scum.

"dont bother with the math" you are an asshole and that is probably the dumbest thing you could say in a mafia game, "dont do your own thinking just trust mine" what are you a complete newbie?

i did now say "don't do your own thinking just trust mine," you're putting words in my mouth for everyone else to eat up and see me as the bad guy. I said don't bother with the math because I had already posted the %s we need to know before you saw them. Numbers are facts, I'm not putting thought behind it. Simply posting the facts proving why your plan was bad.
We don't need you trying to post numbers in an attempt to prove why your idea is good trying to put your own spin on the truth to coax people.

no i take that back, "no one defend themselves by claiming" is probably the dumbest thing you could say. do you want a PR to just get right up against the ropes and shut his mouth and get lynched?

no, they can defend themselves just as any good mafia player should do without claiming. I'm saying don't claim so we don't end up handing them to the scum on a silver platter.

must be the only discrete thing you ever learned hahaha :laughie-face: **** you

and you call me the asshole

If there's any kind of trend I've noticed for scum throughout the games I've been in, it's that when scum players try to defend themselves they take the mean route like you're doing now in an attempt to scare players off of voting them.

 

[CT Chia]

Completely missed the big wtf thing there in the last thing I quoted...

Don't bother with the math, I've already got the important parts done. Shouldn't take you that long anyway
Thank you Discrete Mathematics.

must be the only discrete thing you ever learned hahaha :laughie-face: **** you

Care to explain why you quoted Chaco's post and replaced the contents of it with part of one of my posts?

This seriously makes no sense, and is not even a mistake.

 

[Crimson King]

Tom's L-2, but before I vote, I want to reread everything I missed. He does have a pretty valid point overall: we are ****ed whether we do his thing or not if we mislynch today.

Before I address everything, this is one thing to address:

I don't really like the idea.
I'm kind of with Chibo with the no lynching thing. If we lynch someone it'll give mafia two kills in one day/night. If we no lynch it'll lower that number to just one person from town that has to die.

@Omni: I don't really anything revealing about using the term mafia instead of scum.

I don't really know how I feel about CK's claim. If you're not comfortable with Tom's plan, why would you volunteer yourself to be the one that goes?

I really don't understand why you post when you have NOTHING to add. You parrot people constantly, add a slight, almost committing, judgment on someone then coast away.

I don't like playing games with you because you have the scummiest play style next to Xsyven (ie. inactive and coasting and adding nothing), when you are mostly town.

In short: ADD MORE POINTS AND COMMIT TO SOMETHING!

I'll be posting more in a bit.

 

[Chaco]

Yeah, Chibo, that's why I made the what post.

And CK, the validity in that point is just thrown to the extreme because we wouldn't even be attempting to lynch scum.

 

[Tom]

Completely missed the big wtf thing there in the last thing I quoted...



Care to explain why you quoted Chaco's post and replaced the contents of it with part of one of my posts?

This seriously makes no sense, and is not even a mistake.

how is that not even a mistake?

ofc it was a mistake. i must have done something wrong with the quote tags and attributed the quote to chacho instead of you.

what you said about "no need to do the math, you should have it done all ready" put me in a very foul mood. it was asinine for you to say... i really dont know what you would be trying to get at with that comment other than 1) "im faster at math than you" which is childish or 2) no need to do anything for yourself which is totally against everything we do in this game.

i had to take a step back from the game after talking to xiivi about what constituted mean-spiritedness and just let it go.

i really dont get why you are all voting me... i would not have done any of this if i were scum - that is not to be dismissed with WIFOM. the game was stagnated, so i asked questions and formulated a plan - and all of the sudden, i am a bad guy?

 

[Tom]

im not attempting to scare anyone, and yes, i call you the asshole. what i said was in retaliation because i felt what you said was rude.

thats kin to what i did with teran in the last game... would you say that i was scum in the last game? psh.

 

[Tom]

Yeah, Chibo, that's why I made the what post.

And CK, the validity in that point is just thrown to the extreme because we wouldn't even be attempting to lynch scum.

we dont HAVE to follow my plan.

i starting talking about plans to get the game rolling. we had made absolutely no progress and people had even posted nonsense. we were without 2 players, another player was reminding us that we were without those two players, another asked if everyone was okay... the game had just stagnated. i shouldnt have had to be the one to kick life into the game. but i was.

right now we probably have enough information to assess everyone except kevinm. before i pointed discussion in a direction, we had jack ****.

if you all cant see that... then i dont know what to do for you.




just like players like SwordsRbroken, Nicholas1024, and Cacti... you all need to re-evaluate what you find scummy.

 

[CT Chia]

how is that not even a mistake?

ofc it was a mistake. i must have done something wrong with the quote tags and attributed the quote to chacho instead of you.

what you said about "no need to do the math, you should have it done all ready" put me in a very foul mood. it was asinine for you to say... i really dont know what you would be trying to get at with that comment other than 1) "im faster at math than you" which is childish or 2) no need to do anything for yourself which is totally against everything we do in this game.

1. I still don't see how it was a simple mistake. if it just said chaco, k that's one thing. however... it had the post link to chacos post. how did u accidentally post the number combination to link to his post as well. this also wasn't a mess up within the same post because this was the only thing u quoted this post. nothing chaco involved, just my post. you would have had to click the quote on chacos post, delete all the insides, and replaced it with text from my post. and why would u even do this? I have no idea. is it a scumtell? I have no idea. is it something so out of left field that we deserve to question? I think so

2. by saying no need to do the math, I meant no need to try and use numbers to try and prove ur idea was better, because I already used them to prove mine better.

 

[Tom]

2. alright. maybe i shouldnt have taken it as a slight insult like i did. but i cant change that.

1. what would it even matter....? is that "scummy"? to be obviously talking to you and somehow have the quote say Chaco? would that make me scum aligned? i can see youre asking those questions... but its not like it accomplishes anything on my part at all, and it was obviously not on purpose...

 

[Tom]

i had probably multiquoted a bunch of quotes and then decided it wasnt necessary to respond to some of them, and ended up with the top half of one quote format and the bottom half of another.

 

[Omni]

Unvote

alright, i'm pretty content. my vote on you Tom was to see how you'd respond with added pressure. regardless, u were the one to initiate conversation. i give auto-brownie points to anyone who does that since i -hate- the rvs with a passion.

with meta on the side, i think you'd keep your cool if u were scum but there's obvious wifom in that statement.

but yeah, you need to be alive.

i know i keep harping on this, but the lack of Air and Kevin is really killing me. at this point, i don't want to even go into more conversation into we get these two involved. overcentralization of us or the lack of centralization on them makes it hard for me to make connections

i know kevin will come in and give a good analysis whether it be a line or a few paragraphs

@Air: like CK said, you need to speak up and commit. i specifically said that you'd come in and parrot and you did exactly just that. unlike Kevin, you're here yet you're still as useful as him. if you want to win this game prove that you have worth and HELP us not have doubts on you. and if you're scum, kudos to making me think dumb over scum. you're experienced enough at this point to know what that means so i'm no longer going to consider your actions dumb at this point. you've been warned

 

[Tom]

i see. omni i understand you about air and kevinm... you only entered this game to play with active people. all i can say is to just let this sit for a bit and wait til they are back. per kevin, he will be back in a day whether its him or hilt. per air, he just needs coaxing. like always. either way i hesitate to call either scum for what theyve done. it will take time.

@air - if its hard to talk, just talk about whatever you feel is necessary. if there is something you didnt like, bring it up.

 

[Airgemini]

I really don't understand why you post when you have NOTHING to add. You parrot people constantly, add a slight, almost committing, judgment on someone then coast away.

I obviously posted to avoid a prod. And believe me, I hate it when I parrot.
You never addressed why you would sacrifice yourself for Tom's plan when you clearly didn't like it. It makes me think that you had a good feeling no one would agree with Tom's plan so you claimed townie knowing the plan wouldn't happen just to look townish.

Would a no lynch D1 and a mass claim on D2 be any more or less effective? Going into D2 we'd have six players and then have everyone mass claim during the day. Since mafia would likely CC we could spend the time until the deadline pushing on CC cases until we find a suitable target. From then on we could just repeat the process (minus the no lynch part). If it's a dumb idea then nevermind I guess.

I know it probably sounds almost exactly like Tom's plan but I just wanted to put it down.