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Everyone's the 'best' but few are 'good': A scrub's checklist to 64

Parallax

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I am writing this out of inspiration of my cousin. This was only the second time we've met and SSB64 came up in conversation. Him, being a scrub, immediately asserted that he was the best at the game. In order to test his intelligence, I showed him a few of Isai's videos, explaining to him that Isai was indisputably the best player. His reply to the videos were: "me and all my friends play like that, nothing special."

If he can say that, how is it possible that I 5 stocked him over and over again to show him he is not the best? How can he assert he is the best, after watching videos of the best? Why is it that it took battling an experienced player for him to realize how underdeveloped his skills are? These questions intrigue me because I was once at this stage in my smash skill and mindset, and many of my peers were as well.

I have figured out an answer: watching pro videos as a scrub does not improve skills/awareness because a scrub cannot see the 'fight'. Think of when Gohan from Dragonball Z was a little boy, watching Nappa and the Z fighters battle; his powerlevel was too low to actually see what was going on. The same applies here; if a scrub doesn't know what pivoting or teleporting is, how will he watch for it in a video? If a scrub doesn't know what spacing is or DIing is, how can he appreciate it? A scrub must grasp and attempt at these concepts, and only then can he rapidly improve. Because there is so much to learn in the realm of 64, I have formulated a checklist, which revolves around three principle points: Spacing, Comboing, and Recovery.



Efficiently Spacing
□ Can I pivot to quickly attain positions?
□ Can I teleport to adjust positions?
□ Do I know which moves are most efficient to approach with?
□ Do I know which moves carry minimal punishment (if I miss the attack)?
□ Do I know which moves set up for a combo?​
□ Do I know all possible moves my opponent may approach with?
□ Do I know which of my approaching moves can out-range or out-prioritize my opponent's so in case of a collision, I win?


Perfect Comboing
□ Out of an array moves, do I know which next move will prolong this combo the longest (for maximal damage or knockback)?
□ Do I know how to finish the opponent in the combo?
□ Do I know what percentage and what move to use to finish my opponent?​
□ Do I know the opportunities my opponent has to slide and smash DI out of a combo and how to handle them?
□ Do I have back up moves to continue the combo if they escape the combo through these techniques?​
□ Can I tech-chase my opponent if necessary?


Efficient Recovery
□ Can I slide DI?
□ Can I smash DI?
□ Do I know which directions to apply DI to use to escape a combo or recover from an edgeguard?
□ When recovering from offstage, can I efficiently forsee/guess my opponent's edgeguard strategy and find a way to dodge it?


0 / 17 Answers Checked = Typical Scrub / Noob / Starter

5 / 17 Answers Checked
= Player in Improvement


12 / 17 Answers Checked = Experienced Player

17 / 17 Answers Checked = Professional Player


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I find it very funny AND sad that my cousin, a person who claimed he was on the same skill-level as Isai, would answer 'no' to every single one of these questions if confronted with this checklist. However, he is not alone. There are thousands of local smash players (of each game; 64, Melee, and Brawl) who still talk sh** about the top players of smash, yet couldn't touch an amateur tournament player, simply because they cannot see the fight.

I hope you enjoyed this. I know a lot of the pros may find this a waste of time, but think about how mind-blowing this checklist is for a noob/scrub; they can react two ways: 1) have the epiphany they needed or 2) reject it and continue their scrubdom for all of scrub eternity, never improving. Please scrubs, start seeing the fight.


-llåxative
 

Smasherx74

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Edit for stupidity.


Oh, maybe this will help the, ehh how do i say this. NEW SMASHER PLAYERS play better.




Also i got 17 out of 17.
 

Parallax

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The amazing EGX lord and unit X lord had a TYPO!!!!... this is the worst day in history!!!

Btw, remake egx cuz galaxy64 banned all my ip ranges.
Clearing up the confusion now: I am not Paramount.

And lol, that sucks but you shouldn't have been trolling!
 

M15t3R E

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It's usually little kids who've barely hit puberty who think they are the hot **** when they're actually noobs. I've played people my age in every smash game who've come out and admitted they have limited experience in smash and aren't very good. I appreciate that humility. Others, you just need to put them in their place.

Nice list. I'll try to figure out where I stand in this checklist sometime.

EDIT:
12/17. I'll have to work on that. Knowledge is power!
 

Smasherx74

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This is all basic stuff lol. Lets get more advance. Like,


WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN FOX PLAYER PICKS HYRULE AND CAMPS LEFT SIDE AND SPAMS LAZORS???

HOW DO YOU PERFECTLY EDGEGUARD PIKACHU?
 
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Ah I got a 10. Looks like I've got some reading to do.

What is teleporting? I thought I at least knew what all of the ATs were.
 

ballin4life

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puu check the sticky, teleporting is a technique for jiggs, fox, and samus.

Also I loled at the Dragonball Z reference.

And I think plenty of noobs can appreciate Isai videos/other pro videos. OP is right that they will miss a lot of stuff from not having experience, but still most of them will still be amazed by the crazy combos and stuff. One other big thing you don't realize from watching videos of Isai/Superboom/etc is how good their opponents are.
 

Smasherx74

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we talk about NTSC-U smash not J smash. A lot of characters can slide in japanese version.

Cool guide!

I don't see anywere talking about NTSC U version for all we know he could be talking about E version.

NEW RULE. Must say (U) somewere in your smash64 thread for now on.
 

DMoogle

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You can know everything there is to know about the game and still be a poor player.

Conversely, you can not know a lot of things, and still be an excellent player.
 

Untrust Us

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You can know everything there is to know about the game and still be a poor player.

Conversely, you can not know a lot of things, and still be an excellent player.
This. You can be a highly known TAS player who knows every exploit in the game and still be average and or a poor player when it comes to normal gameplay.

For example: I know that at the right angle, you can up+b with pikachu twice vertically. I can't and will never be able to pull that off, though.
 

blaze3927

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This. You can be a highly known TAS player who knows every exploit in the game and still be average and or a poor player when it comes to normal gameplay.

For example: I know that at the right angle, you can up+b with pikachu twice vertically. I can't and will never be able to pull that off, though.
do you use controller?
if so it isnt as hard as it seems
 

DMoogle

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I up-b'd with Pika vertically a few months ago by accident. It was totally awesome. It's the only time I've ever done it (I use an N64 controller).
 

Smasherx74

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Kirby's Up-B teleport works in the North American version as well. I have successfully done it plenty of times myself (though I can't do it consistently).
Kirby Up-B while begging dash animation isn't a teleport. Its sliding. Also with my experience with the Japanese players, I learned that kirby in J version can teleport by running then turning the other way like dash dance but with full animations of running sort of like purins but it doesn't slide it teleports like a normal teleport.
 

Parallax

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You can know everything there is to know about the game and still be a poor player.

Conversely, you can not know a lot of things, and still be an excellent player.
I very much agree with the first part. The thing is, if you know everything there is to know about the game, you are more able to assess your skill and not be ignorant in terms of ranking yourself. Also, if you know everything there is to know about the game, improving is way easier; it can take a matter of several days to get your technical skill up.
 

The Star King

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You missed a kinda important one:

□ How talented I am at this game?
Not sure if you're joking or not, but:

1. That's not a yes/no question, you can't exactly check it off can you?
2. This checklist is apparently supposed to be used to determine if you're a good player or not, which means you're determining your CURRENT skill. Being talented means that you can improve quickly/have a high potential, but that's about your future skill, not your current.
 

Skrlx

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Clearing up the confusion now: I am not Paramount.

And lol, that sucks but you shouldn't have been trolling!
Well, your name has "para" in it and you go on to talk about dragon ball z
 

asianaussie

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I theorycraft lots and know lots, but I'm crap at the game. For instance, I 'know' which way to DI and the sort of spacing I should be doing, but I'm not particularly good at putting it into practice.

This has way too many overgeneralisations as well - teleporting should not be on the same level as many of the other points, you forget stuff like adapting to minor punishable habits against people you haven't played before. Some of the points you give are impossible - Link recovering against Pika, you haven't got a hope and thus it dashs that point for Link mains.

Otherwise, it does give a good indicator of whether somebody is a scrub or not.
 

INSANE CARZY GUY

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I think your mind and how to do things mentally hugely effect things a lot, I don't think i've ever heard a great smash brag a F*** lot other than maybe a lol.

knowing/doing/thought are the main skills in smash.
 

Battlecow

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11/17, but a lot of these are somewhat subjective. It did get the point across, I suppose.
 

SSBPete

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great thread. i remember when i used to watch isai vids when i first started smash and thought, 'this guy is allright', now i watch the prince and isai vids i used to watch ages ago and relise how genious and amazing some of the stuff they do is. i got 17/17 but im really not that good.
 

Typ

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Got 9/17. :smash:

Just started learning advanced techniques though. Been playing the game back and forth for almost 11 years hehe! Give me a while to adjust :chuckle:
 
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