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Euro release date...delayed...

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If the Europeans aren't getting it until at least Q3, think of whenever the Aussies are getting it...like, what, 2009?

That's total bull****, to have to wait an extra 6-7 months...Everything'll be spoiled by then, plus the wait in itself is like an axegrind...

Europe and Australia, you have my condolences
 

Tomo009

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If the Europeans aren't getting it until at least Q3, think of whenever the Aussies are getting it...like, what, 2009?

That's total bull****, to have to wait an extra 6-7 months...Everything'll be spoiled by then, plus the wait in itself is like an axegrind...

Europe and Australia, you have my condolences

We got noticed

Nice seeing as were probably even mroe screwed than Europe
 

JPW

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yesterday I was so angry with the news. But I found a way they cna make it up to us or make me happy.

Do a swap around.

Let Americans get Smash Bros. first, and PAL gets it whenever.
However....
Let PAL get Mario Kart first and American gets it whenever.

So a swap around sounds fair to me. Thatway we should hopefully have one good game on our hands while we wait for Smash and America waits for Brawl.

But there's been reports flying around that the reason why Smash Bros isn't in Q1 release schedule is because there still hasn't been a date announced.
And they never said Q2 we're just presuming because it's nowhere in the list. Wait until the end of January I say, we should have our date by then.
 

Tomo009

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it woudl take about a slong as it would to wait for nintendo to sip it anyway so it would useless, trust me 2 weeks can seem long when you're the last in the line
 

PwnyRide

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We just have to swallow it and ignore the fact that some people are just ignorant and only play in there own language.

Well, i am deepy, deeply sorry for I, as an Australian, dont want to play Super Smash Brawl in Spanish. How ignorant of me.

back on topic~

Regardless, us Aussies can just order SSB from the UK if it comes out months and months earlier (as expected).
 

Black/Light

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I think buying a entire U.S wii would be too troublesome. That would mean you would need to import nearly every wii game you get for the U.S wii.

or you could just have two wii's, and U.S one only for brawl. but who has money to do all that?
It's actually a smart choice. Not only does US sell games cheaper but we also get alot of them BEFORE the UK. Hell, If I could read/ understand japanese I would try to import a Japanese wii just for those japan only games that kick ***.

And did UK ever even have a date? If not than theres no way it could have been "delayed" .:ohwell:
 

crystal107

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I will probably have no hype for this game if it is released that late... My boyfriend will get to unlock all the secret characters and pass all the adventure mode, and get much better...
I will probably sell my PAL wii if the release date will suck that much.
 

Storm Eagle

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Right now, I will only think about importing a US Wii in mid January. There is still plenty of time left.

Come on, 500 Dollars for a Wii? Man, these little white boxes have to be rarer than gold in America. ^^
 

RazeveX

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I'm not gonna rant (much), theres just one thing i want to know.

i live in Australia. we speak ENGLISH. The US version will be in ENGLISH.

WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO ALLOW US TO BUY THE GAME AT THE SAME TIME?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I really want to know. Please tell me what could take 4 months. Do they have to port a Wii game onto the...Wii? Sounds like a bold mission.
 

pyrochemical

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But hear me out , i live in sweden and the game isn't gonna be translated to swedish (thank you god), and we have to suffer for this? Every country that's going to have the english language as the option on the game should get it at the same time as the americas! why should we suffer for something like that?
If they want their games translated THEY should be the one that have to wait, since it's a request.
But for sweden and all the other countries that want to have english should get it somewhere in the late february! We don't need any other language , we should get the game before!!
 

Pikaville

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April would be fine with me. I'm getting my Wii 4 Christmas and then I will be playing SMG, MP3 and some VC games.

Edit: And can someone please tell me, why in America the Wii is pretty much sold out everywhere and here you can get them in pretty much any store?
In ireland its still impossible to get the wii without pre ordering one.I still don't understand why they dont just release games all at the same time.They should just have one game with all the nescessary languages on it to prevent this from happening........I hate europe and games
 

Sabrewulf238

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If it really is coming out late 2008........I just hope Sakurai doesn't go to europe for his summer holidays. :(

But seriously, that's awful...but I think I might be able to survive...somehow :(

I hope it comes out in March mostly because my birthdays then :p

as for Ireland, it's really hard to get one where I live anyway, there are signs saying wii is sold out everywhere. Doesn't worry me though, I already have one.

I think it's the same with PS3, I was in a game shop yesterday at about 11am, I heard a girl coming in asking to buy one, the man working there said they had 30 PS3 at 9.30 when they opened and there were none left within minutes.
 

Pikaville

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HEY YOUR FROM IRELAND TOO!

If your interested im goijng to try and organise a tournament in dublin some time in the new year.

Up for it?
 

Tomo009

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Honestly why does Australia need to wait for Europe? America is a lot closer, all we need is an NTSC to PAL change and we're good to go, we seriously shoudlnt's get this any later than a month after the U.S.A.

Makes no sense to me, is it just so Europeans don't feel too bad?
 

PwnyRide

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So is it the same in Australia? I saw in an EB Games catalog that it came out in Aussie Q1. So...pushed back to Q2?
Its just a matter of EB getting ther catalogue in to be printed early.
It IS ridiculous that Australian consoles dont run NTSC games, since a vast vast majority of the population are english speaking (hell, if someone can't speak english, what are they doing in our country anyway?).

It's moreso a case of Australia being a minority. A 3rd wheel in the gaming industry. We really arent top priority so we're just clumped with Europe (mainly the whole PAL and NTSC mess). I vote we float off and join the US :ohwell:
 

Tomo009

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Its just a matter of EB getting ther catalogue in to be printed early.
It IS ridiculous that Australian consoles dont run NTSC games, since a vast vast majority of the population are english speaking (hell, if someone can't speak english, what are they doing in our country anyway?).

It's moreso a case of Australia being a minority. A 3rd wheel in the gaming industry. We really arent top priority so we're just clumped with Europe (mainly the whole PAL and NTSC mess). I vote we float off and join the US :ohwell:
PAL is superior to NTSC, America wont change because so many already own NTSC TVs and it would hurt them as a whole, we have changed because there wasnt as many TVs around when PAL came to be.
 

Tomo009

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well it need to get to the place first, that being said Australia shouldn't get Brawl more than a month after America if they cared about us
 

Xenesis

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NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

how can it take......well.......much more than a week to export the game as PAL instead of NTSC?

Please explain the process to me.
Basically, the game is run through a formula to convert the output signal of the game from NTSC to PAL & PAL60 in the vast majority of cases. The rare exceptions like Metroid Prime 2 are when the game engine causes lots of bugs and the like by the timing issues of PAL, so it just got PAL60.

What makes this even more excruciatingly painful is that every PAL TV in the past 10 years or so can use PAL60 (Pal 60 Hz Mode) with the same refresh rate as NTSC (60Hz), as opposed to PAL (50Hz).

PAL is basically NTSC with colour correction and a higher resolution (I think NTSC has 480 vertical lines while PAL has 530 or something). Essentially PAL60 is superior to NTSC in every possible way, while PAL is superior in all ways except for 10Hz of refresh rate (Your eyes can barely distinguish above 30Hz, though).

Just to give you an idea of how absurd the whole thing is, this is all done by the console Hardware. Eg, if you have a PAL Gamecube, and use some method to play a Japanese or American Gamecube game, the PAL gamecube itself will actually output the game's signal in PAL. Likewise, an American Gamecube would always output NTSC. The only thing controlled by the game in that regard is the refresh rate (Eg, an American Cube playing a PAL game that doesn't have a PAL60 option would actually output the signal as NTSC50, which no TV sold in America or Japan actually support).

So basically, the only thing that's stopping Nintendo from releasing the game simultaneously in Australia to America is the 5 minutes to program the function of switching the output frequency to optionally 50 or 60Hz and changing the region coding of the game, plus making the suitable adjustments that will allow the game to use the correct region's firmware (Jpn, US and PAL Wiis have slightly different firmware).
 

Tomo009

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Basically, the game is run through a formula to convert the output signal of the game from NTSC to PAL & PAL60 in the vast majority of cases. The rare exceptions like Metroid Prime 2 are when the game engine causes lots of bugs and the like by the timing issues of PAL, so it just got PAL60.

What makes this even more excruciatingly painful is that every PAL TV in the past 10 years or so can use PAL60 (Pal 60 Hz Mode) with the same refresh rate as NTSC (60Hz), as opposed to PAL (50Hz).

PAL is basically NTSC with colour correction and a higher resolution (I think NTSC has 480 vertical lines while PAL has 530 or something). Essentially PAL60 is superior to NTSC in every possible way, while PAL is superior in all ways except for 10Hz of refresh rate (Your eyes can barely distinguish above 30Hz, though).

Just to give you an idea of how absurd the whole thing is, this is all done by the console Hardware. Eg, if you have a PAL Gamecube, and use some method to play a Japanese or American Gamecube game, the PAL gamecube itself will actually output the game's signal in PAL. Likewise, an American Gamecube would always output NTSC. The only thing controlled by the game in that regard is the refresh rate (Eg, an American Cube playing a PAL game that doesn't have a PAL60 option would actually output the signal as NTSC50, which no TV sold in America or Japan actually support).

So basically, the only thing that's stopping Nintendo from releasing the game simultaneously in Australia to America is the 5 minutes to program the function of switching the output frequency to optionally 50 or 60Hz and changing the region coding of the game, plus making the suitable adjustments that will allow the game to use the correct region's firmware (Jpn, US and PAL Wiis have slightly different firmware).
yep, basically we're unloved and placed in an unnescesarry line =( *joke*ish
 

TheKingboo

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Americans are lucky.-_-
not really....the most lucky ones are the japanese. i know for sure, they will unlock or defeat the adventure mode, and then the game will just get spoiled for me...one way or another...i really wish there was a universal release date...
 

Tomo009

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yeh it would but they pretty much only happen for online games, man this is gonna be one tough wait seeing as no great games I know of are coming out in this coming period except WAR
 

Doopliss_Swe

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Listen to this everybody: IT'S NOT TRUE!!!
Just because Brawl isn't on that list doesn't mean it's not going to be released before Q3. Everyone just takes that for granted because MK Wii, which is on there is released in Q2, brawl might very well be released in Q2 or even Q1 in Europe.
 

Tomo009

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i hope your right but sources say your not >.<

EDIT: I kwno they might be tentative but it deffinately is eighted heavily to a Q3 release
 

lex.aut

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not really....the most lucky ones are the japanese. i know for sure, they will unlock or defeat the adventure mode, and then the game will just get spoiled for me...one way or another...i really wish there was a universal release date...

come on, it's not that hard to not-watch any youtube vids of brawl for a few weeks. i think it's a bit worse if you have to stay away from the forum, not watch youtube vids, etc. for 5 months if you don't wanna get spoiled.

@all europeans and australians: don't lose all hope till we have an official release date.
 

Xenesis

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Listen to this everybody: IT'S NOT TRUE!!!
Just because Brawl isn't on that list doesn't mean it's not going to be released before Q3. Everyone just takes that for granted because MK Wii, which is on there is released in Q2, brawl might very well be released in Q2 or even Q1 in Europe.
Your optimism astounds me. Seriously. Considering Smash's history of release dates and the Europe Screwage Factor™, optimism that NoE/NoAus will be competent is bordering on blindness. :/
 

Doopliss_Swe

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Not optimism, it might very well land in Q3, but it's not 100% sure. One of the higher authoreties in nintendo of sweden is my source.

He said:

Ytterligare ett bevis på varför man inte ska lita på vissa inofficiella sidor och deras förhastade slutsatser. Allt baseras på att Nintendo idag skickade ut en lanseringslista, och på den finns inte Brawl med. Då tar alla för givet att det har blivit uppskjutet till andra halvan av 2008, vilket det inte har sagts ett ord om.
Tro inte på gonintendo.
Nintendo har inte sagt ett dyft om detta officiellt, och ett rykte som startas på gonintendo har ingen plats här.

Which means (roughly): Yet another reason why you should't trust some unofficial webpages and their early conclusions. It's all based on the fact that Nintendo today sent out a release list, and Brawl isn't on it. Then everyone takes it for granted that it has been delayed to the late half of year 2008, which has never been claimed. Don't trust gonintendo.
Nintendo haven't said anything about that officially, and a rumour that has been founded on gonintendo doesn't belong here.
 

Xenesis

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Considering that it was said that 'Anything not on the release list is after Q2, 2008 by Ninty'....that seems more reasonable. :/
 

Your Hero

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You guys shouldn't lose hope :]. I feel really bad for you though if it's true. But really? I'd say get a friend to buy it for you in America and then send it to you through the mail. You guys do speak english so you should be able to understand.

What really surprises me is the fact that you can;t change the language like in previous ssbgames (I think you could anyways, I could've sworn..).
 

Ferret

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You guys shouldn't lose hope :]. I feel really bad for you though if it's true. But really? I'd say get a friend to buy it for you in America and then send it to you through the mail. You guys do speak english so you should be able to understand.

What really surprises me is the fact that you can;t change the language like in previous ssbgames (I think you could anyways, I could've sworn..).
The problem is, that the Wii isn't region free, so you can't play american games on a non-american Wii, but thanks for trying to help^^
 
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