Epic... Rap... BATTLES OF HISTORY!!! OVER GUESS WHICH SIDE WON

[ranmaru]

Yo Marshy. Do you trust Kat?

 

[ranmaru]

i dont care that its like 4 am over there. **** your sleep and talk to me

Who needs sleep amirite?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

kataefi has had A LOT of opportunities to take the easy way out but CONSISTENTLY...doesnt. thinks that come to mind is when dark horse was -1 d1 and instead of just letting him die he unvoted me and started probing me. then at the end of d2 yesterday he didnt just hammah sherlock hound and even kind of invited me/zen to vote with him yesterday (i forget who katae was voting for at the end of the day yesterday)

jerkus has been whiteknighting jaykay and i am unsure as to why

ranmaru you talk to me too. whats on your mind

 

[ranmaru]

Why should Kat take the easy way out? What's your point? And does that mean you don't really trust him, even though you said you'd vote along with him?

I'm thinking J bro. What's on your mind.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

im saying that he looks like hes genuinely been scumhunting. i know hes good at this as scum and maybe later in the game ill pull a 180 on him but right now...not a priority

WHY IS JAYKAY A BETTER PLAY THAN JDIETZ?

 

[JayKay]

Marshy, they're trying to manipulate you.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

manipulation != scummy

 

[JayKay]

Like, I have a big post coming... but basically the long and short is a lot of people haven't been scumhunting but are still lining us up for a lynch.

Yeah, typically bro. You gotta ask why they're doing it.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Now with Marshy scum (and Circus town) marshy has to choose between which of his buddies to vote for today out of J and dietz. He claimed that he would vote for whoever Kata voted, yet he chose to vote dietz. Why is this? He has yet to give me or Ranmaru an answer despite asking him multiple times. In this scenario I think it's likely that Marshy is simply taking advantage of a lose-lose situation. Since Circus is pushing for Dietz and I as buddies (remember Circus is likely cop in in this scenario that he is town) Marshy can attempt to preserve him and J for tomorrow and go after us. Where as if J is lynched today, it will be shown that Circus is wrong and Dietz will sequentially be lynched tomorrow. Therefore by lynching J, Marshy loses two buddies. Where as by lynching Dietz, him and J can still live through tomorrow.

nah brah. **** outta hear trying to put me on your ****list zen. ive been down to lynch jdietz/garg since like d1 butve been distracted by dumb/useless people in their place. you and jerkus make these big cases against jdietz and then you switch to jaykay without explaining why. you JUST SAID jdietz is a good play who i am voting. excuse me for sticking to my guns. not about to get mislynched in another ****ing game cuz some ******* pseudo leader does not know how to analyze scum connections

youre not a ******* tho zen youre massive bro but yeah just stop. believe it or not the way im approaching this dayphase (i know its a 180 from the "LOL QUICKLYNCH MAD HARDBODY ALL DAILY YEAAAAH /BROFIST" d1/d2 play from me) is actually how i play when i feel like the game is on the line and/or town is on the verge of a scumlynch. same **** i did in tales of symphonia after pushing several quicklynches awhile back so stop hating bro

anyways!

jerkus as cop investigating jaykay n1 makes sense as well. i also HATE how i have to drag j into this game and dont remember him doing anything and now hes just lurking. at the same time i am obliged to go jdietz cuz hes surefire scum and jerkus whiteknighting jaykay gives me pause. you YOURSELF said that kary looked protown d1 so stop trying to act like me not just rolling on him is suspect. if you can tell me WHY then by all means

and please just stop with this "marshy would do this or that if he was scum" bull**** youre trying to throw in my face zen. here look lemme do this too

"guys if no lynch is scum hes just backing off his partner jdietz to protown jaykay for the gamewinning mislynch "

please zen

 

[ranmaru]

I will show you.

D'aw Gheb, I wanted to play with him actually. My scum-reads are leaning towards Circus/Ditzy and one of Kata/NL. I feel much more strongly about wanting to lynch Kataefi.

Here's why! ^^ The reason being is that Kata's posts come off really odd to me. They seem like he is trying to look like he is doing things but it is a whole lot of nothing and his posts seem to consist mainly of air. The argument he had gotten himself into with Zen seems to lean TvS and Zen's slot is giving me mixed vibes, especially when topped off by Soup's weird play in the beginning of the game. Kata, in my opinion, has just been going with whatever he feels is safe and reminds me heavily of his play in RE4 mafia. Kata just is my biggest scum-pick but I would settle for a Circus' slot lynch or maybe a Ditzy.

The only people I am not okay with lynching are Marshy/Ranmaru/Inferno. Maybe JTB. Roxy is null and SH is very weird for me to analyse intent.

Vote: Kataefi

Kata, who are you planning on pursuing toDay and what did you of players such as JTB/SH/Roxy. Do you think you can convince me of lynching Zen if it came down to you two? ;P Out of Ditzy and Circus, who makes the best lynch?

Marshy, who do you want dead and gone?

JTB/Roxy/SH category, can I get some reads from you three? I would like at least 2-3 strong reads whether they be town or scum. I'd prefer scum but I'll take what I can get.

NL, you feel Kata is scummy as of yesterDay correct? Would you lynch him with me over someone like Garg/DH's slot?

That's all for now. ^^

Here he mentions scumreads on JD/Circus, Kat, and NL. He has only presented reasons for Kat. He hasn't even talked about JD or Circus.

He says that Kat's post have contained alot of air, yet doesn't really show what posts had shown 'air' himself. To me this reasoning seemed like a blanket statement. I recall NL had a scumread on Kat before as well, and this is why I accused J of this.

This to me seemed like he was trying to seem like he had a scumpick, but he hasn't really pushed that any further, seriously.

Now the bolded, he asks Kat if Kat can convince him to lynch Zen if he had to. How does this help him find scum at all? It doesn't. Point is, he isn't looking for scum, he is asking to stay on his 'scumread' by asking to be convinced.

Zen, you are not obvtown this game and, for me, I am really curious to see your push on Kata in more detail. Can you give me some bullet reasoning as to why I should stay on Kata in your opinion and how you plan on convincing others to join in?

In the underlined, he asks Zen for his points on Kat, and doesn't look to see from his own pov. This shows he is trying to stay on Kat instead of figuring out Kat's alignment by looking at the different angles, instead of looking at it from a fixed point.

However, the answer was not publicly known when he asked. When you asked, the answer was already in game/answered.

FoS: Ditzy

Waaaay to aggressive this call-out on Zen for a bad reason that just looks like you are trying to make Zen look worse.

I didn't really see JD's statement as overly aggressive, so I found this post weird.

I'm sorry to say this but each post makes me wanna lynch you more with the needling way you are responding to just any pressure or light questioning with trying to act tough/show that you can throw it back in others faces (I.e. with zen and now me).

Why do you see no reason you should go before Circus? Ditzy, how would you even know what DH's classic scum-tells are because you have only played like 1 game with him as scum and that game he got taken down due to his connection to you.

Him replacing out is null and is terrible logic to use for a reason as why he is scum. You are reaching for a statement to try and make it seem like Circus's slot is scummier than yours. You are not seeming to be trying to lynch scum but just save your own butt from a lynch toDay with the way you say "Circus should go befor me. He's obvious pick."

I really dislike the way you are trying to deal with these past few things. =(

I again didn't really understand his stance on JD. He didn't like how JD handled himself, and I usually see as JD barking back regardless of alignment.

Unvote
Vote: Ditzy

Pattern?

I didn't understand why he just voted Ditzy with the clarification to Zen's post...

Eh, my voting is being sloppy but idc.

Unvote
Vote: Kataefi

He really should go toDay. Ditzy's 50/50. Circus could be scum, but I need to see him post his thoughts.

@Ditzy: Scum-read on Zen seems OMGUS, real or not real?

Underlined, this was very weird. He was pushing on JD but then goes off for what reason? This showed he didn't care about his push on JD.

What do you think of Marshy then?



DH's intent. What is it to you? Quote an example of him having town intent for me.

I thought it was cool.

I also don't understand why he asked him about Marshy. Something to consider after his flip, and JD's.

 

[JayKay]

Hey J, I see you viewing. Read the QT?

Ran, why are you suddenly weighing in on this argument?
And ignoring everything that I've actually done?

 

[ranmaru]

J hasn't been looking for scum, he has been trying to stay on his 'scumreads'. His interaction with JD was forced, and I don't really remember much of it. Kary came back 'nicer' upon replacing in, I felt this was because of J's influence. Kary would be nicer to everyone so he wouldn't draw as much attention. But if Kary were town, he wouldn't have to worry about his image, and just stryke lightning on his suspects.

I also didn't like how JK voted NL just for their deputy claim, it was pretty opportunistic from my pov wrt the setup.

 

[ranmaru]

All you have done was ask JD questions about his opinions on Me, Marshy, and NL. I don't really see how that helped you much. You said you'd let J push his reads for ya. J hasn't really said much. I don't remember what else you have done (besides vote NL for his claim, not his play)

Who are you voting currently?

 

[JayKay]

Ran, I'm sorry, that was a mean question to ask you. Like, you didn't really answer it to my liking but whatever.
We're not voting anyone, why do you care? You're desperate to have people votes today, even though we're in such a bad situation.

And yeah, I still feel like you're not talking to us, trying to read us at all. You've made up your mind we're scum and are just trying to whip up support for the waggon.

 

[ranmaru]

I asked to see where your head was at. But I can talk to you.

Tell me, why jd deserves to die over you and not the other way around.

Also, thoughts on jd's claim?

Any other thoughts on your mind?

Also tell me why you havent been as active

 

[JayKay]

Ran, your 1410 is all weak, reachy and weak:

1. Here he mentions scumreads on JD/Circus, Kat, and NL. He has only presented reasons for Kat. He hasn't even talked about JD or Circus.

This is nothing, JD/Circus are barely in the game,

2. He says that Kat's post have contained alot of air, yet doesn't really show what posts had shown 'air' himself. To me this reasoning seemed like a blanket statement. I recall NL had a scumread on Kat before as well, and this is why I accused J of this.

J dislikes Kata's posts generally, there's nothing wrong with that. NL and J have similar reads, but they're hardly sheeping, NL hasn't given any reasons.

3. This to me seemed like he was trying to seem like he had a scumpick, but he hasn't really pushed that any further, seriously.

This is bull****, J is pushing Kata by voting him, asking him for reasoning etc., and it's bull**** you'd suggest we'd 'pretend to have a scumpick'

4. Now the bolded, he asks Kat if Kat can convince him to lynch Zen if he had to. How does this help him find scum at all? It doesn't. Point is, he isn't looking for scum, he is asking to stay on his 'scumread' by asking to be convinced.

Uh, no this is bull****. He's asking Kat for reasoning, explanation. He's looking at both Kat and Zen at the same time, and is trying to check his scumread on Kata not just stick to it.

5. In the underlined, he asks Zen for his points on Kat, and doesn't look to see from his own pov. This
shows he is trying to stay on Kat instead of figuring out Kat's alignment by looking at the different angles, instead of looking at it from a fixed point.

This is just bull****, see above.

6. I didn't really see JD's statement as overly aggressive, so I found this post weird.

I don't care what you think. Maybe J is trying to read JDietz? Y'know, one of his scumreads?

7. I again didn't really understand his stance on JD. He didn't like how JD handled himself, and I usually see as JD barking back regardless of alignment.

So you have different opinions on JD... so what, J is pushing JD, presumably to try and read him.

8. I didn't understand why he just voted Ditzy with the clarification to Zen's post...

The clarification isn't the reasoning, obviously. Two different things in one post.

9. Underlined, this was very weird. He was pushing on JD but then goes off for what reason? This showed he didn't care about his push on JD.

Uh, no it wasn't. J decides not to push JDietz anymore because it doesn't make sense to just keep tunneling him. He's also not as sure on JD as he is on say, Kata. To say J didn't care about the push is a giant, dumb reach.

10. I also don't understand why he asked him about Marshy. Something to consider after his flip, and JD's.

Uh what? What's not to understand?

Considering how none of this makes J scum, and how you yourself admit you don't understand it, you didn't do a lot to push J or get a better read on him, Ran. Not being able to understand someone doesn't make them scum, y'know. Not trying to understand them might, though.

 

[JayKay]

I asked to see where your head was at. But I can talk to you.

Tell me, why jd deserves to die over you and not the other way around.

Also, thoughts on jd's claim?

Any other thoughts on your mind?

Also tell me why you havent been as active

Because he's obviously scum, and I'm obviously town.

It's probably bull****, and I imagine is best ignored.

What the **** are you playing at? How does this help you read me?

Because I'm trying to have a life... why is this relavent?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

NO **** YOUR LIFE J/KARY

J l SEE YOU SON

****ING POST SON WHATS THE PLAY SON

 

[ranmaru]

Not very convincing jk. Who is the play rite now? (or have you discussed this with j yet)

I get to read you by seeing your thought process, why you think things, what your plan of action is and if you really believe in your pushes.

Its relevant because upon replacing in your play changed. You arent doing as much as you have been d1 and I feel this is out of character for you. Has this hampered your ability to find scum, or are you managing? If so, how?

 

[JayKay]

I think No Lynch is the play today. I think J agrees, he had voted for him before.

Should've lynched them or Garg Day 1.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok. Can you give me a lynch order? Three ppl and reasons plz.

Also, you asked me about the relevency of my question of your drop of activity upon replacing back in. what did you think of my answer?

 

[JayKay]

step back and look at this

nlynch claims deputy. that is a backup cop

we have evidence of a UNIVERSAL backup. that means if the presumed cop were to die he would have TWO backups

what make you of this?

I make of it that No Lynch is town.

He is my town bro. I am sorry I ever doubted him. Just look at his play.

Does it sound scum to you bro?

Also I won't go on NL unless you vote him first bro

1. Hang the hell on... the question is what do you make of No Lynch's claim- so this is a pretty weird response, and doesn't answer the question.
2. Surely if No Lynch is super town to you, you won't vote him whatever, regardless of what marshy does? This doesn't sound much like town Ran, at all.
3. 'Just look at his play'? Hmm yeah you've got me convinced.

That's all for now.

I'd like to hear from Inferno/Circus with reference to No Lynch vs. JDietz.

Meh.

 

[ranmaru]

I gave my thoughts on his claim afterward, kary. Nice try tho.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok. Can you give me a lynch order? Three ppl and reasons plz.

Also, you asked me about the relevency of my question of your drop of activity upon replacing back in. what did you think of my answer?

Check this out kary. Im talking to you. Respond bro.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

they bounced ran

just like when i tried to talk to zen

no one wants to play mafia with us

 

[ranmaru]

They left me hangin

 

[ranmaru]

I cant rly tell tho. Cuz I cant see meta data on the phone

 

[JayKay]

Now why don't you tell me why NL is off the table for you?

Not lynching No lynch lol. nice try Circus

Not very convincing, either.

Lol damn it.

I faked it.

I'm just a sleepwalking townie. That's why NL's claim makes sense to me

Claims are like 95% WIFOM.
Screw massclaim as well.

Again, not very convincing.

Check it out, Ran. I'm not even trying to talk to you. You keep asking dumb things.

I get to read you by seeing your thought process, why you think things, what your plan of action is and if you really believe in your pushes.

Not convinced.

Marshy, if you ask me something I might respond. For now, I'm done.

 

[ranmaru]

Also, you asked me about the relevency of my question of your drop of activity upon replacing back in. what did you think of my answer?

Why not just answer this one measly question? Plz? its not dumb. I promise.

 

[ranmaru]

Deadline is set for 6/1 at 11:59 EST! With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Circus (0)
JDietz43 (1) No Lynch
Ranmaru (0)
JTB (0)
Inferno (0)
JayKay (1) Ranmaru
marshy (0)
Kataefi (0)
No Lynch (2) Circus, JDietz43

Not voting (5) JTB, JayKay, Inferno, Marshy, Kataefi

Posting a old vc so ppl can see whos in this game.

Btw kat and me are voting j, and nl will be. Thats 3/5

 

[#HBC | marshy]

and how many are voting jdietz?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

cuz ill probably just hop the wagon and no lynch too then inferno can hammah drop

 

[ranmaru]

U can hammah... But when does jtb come back

 

[#HBC | marshy]

so why would we not lynch jdietz today

when everyone in the game

thinks hes scum

 

[JayKay]

Ran, you tell me why I should be the play not Jdietz.
Seems like all you've done is criticize me...

I thought you replying to my rhetorical question was dumb.
I've change my play because I'm trying not to have dumb arguments with people. Really, I can have a dumb argument with you if you want, you've got a **** ton of explaining to do yourself- Your claim, your lynches, your pushes on me, you constantly putting Garg/Dietz on the backburner. But that'd be anti-town
Like, if you look beyond the number of posts I've made, whatever, maybe you'll see some town intent. You seem like you've made up your mind about me being scum and are not even looking to see if I could be town. Why'd you post a case on us before even asking us about any of that stuff?
My Day 3 play is never going to be like my Day 1 play anyways, there's too much **** going on for me to be able to 'strike lightning' on my suspects, and I've broadly got reads on people already, they just need clearing up.

If you want top 3 picks, you're not getting them. I'd like one of No Lynch or JDietz gone, and I think it should be No Lynch, I can't see him being town at all, and his push on me is BS. I don't have a 3rd pick because it could be a bunch of people, yourself included, there's not enough to go on. If you're not happy with my reasoning on No Lynch, ****ing say so, you've not given any reason for buddying him so bad at all.

This game is such an uphill struggle and I can't help but think it's that way because scum want it to be.
Like, No Lynch's reasons for switching to our slot are just BS. Just BS.

Quicklynching me would be dumb.
Lynching me this Day would probably be dumb as well.

Anyways, screw this. Half of you are unwilling to listen to reason anyways.
Going to try and ignore this for a while, try not to post any dumb reachy cases while i'm away.

 

[Inferno3044]

Vote: JDietz

This is what I think of JDietz vs. NL.

 

[ranmaru]

Yo inferno. I know you are on jd now, but are you willing to join me on j today?

 

[Jdietz43]

Willing to hop to JK now since NL isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

These last series of convos with Ran look awful from JK's end. (And I'm glad someone else thought JK's push on me was forced). You can't just say "bull****" a bunch without elaborating and expect everyone to just take it at face value. (Like I was going to ask Ran for a few points on JK scum besides how I didn't like their push on me when I got up this morning, but that's more than taken care of now)

How did you even expect "Screw you guys and this" to help in any way.



Let me know when I should hop since they're at L-2 (I think?)

@Mod: Can we get a vote count?

 

[Jdietz43]

Nvm, this will be L-2 I think if I read right

Vote: JayKay

 

[ranmaru]

Only two votes man.

You right.