ENTER THE HARDBODY

[ranmaru]

why do I feel like both scum might be on the same waggon here?

I feel that way about Orbo and Deathbear. I think you are being more annoyed by Gheb though, I don't see any scum intent. I just disagree with his reads. Yet it doesn't give me anything for a solid read, and I do feel he should be investigated by the detective/psych due to his predecessor's lack of presence. I think you also have felt some 'dumb'ness from Orbo and Deathbear too, and I think that's a sign of them being scum. Do you think their push for PJB is legit?

I also think you misread. I think his reads are Orbo/Rockin/You, and would think PJB and DeBear are scum upon a OrboSCUM flip.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

^omg is that the hammah???

not sure if playing dumb or actually has no idea where votes are. please stop whichever it is.

Kary (or Sister Fidelma) stop spending time on me You're attempting to kill the one player who has netted scum this game so far. Where can I see your analysis about Bardull's interactions with me? I'm keen to know why he put my name forward for the lynch at a turning point in the game when I could have very well been lynched...

sorry what Kata? I can't hear you over the sound of you utterly ignoring my points against you (loosely, that you have done exactly one thing toDay [pushing Soup], and it's not clear why you did that given your reads).

and I hate to say it, but if you're talking about his vote on you after Nabe claimed hider, I've already talked about it.

He votes you with absolutely zero conviction. Not only has he already seen the waggon fail to take off, he spends most of the post talking about how he wouldn't mind a different lynch, and then promptly does switch to what happens to be gaining steam.

Unless you're talking about a different vote/push? in which case I doubt that it was 'a turning point of the game'.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Do you think their push for PJB is legit?

maybe

I also think you misread. I think his reads are Orbo/Rockin/You, and would think PJB and DeBear are scum upon a OrboSCUM flip.

I don't think I misread. He seemed to suggest he might be ok with 5 slots dying (Orbo/Me/Rockin/DB/PJB) which looks like nonsense. And he didn't say 'vig X on Y flip' either. And then when I asked about it he didn't make it any clearer. As far as I can tell he has 1 scumread and 4 nulls.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So i'm looking at my reads again. Here's what I think. I hammer Orbo, and if he townflips, the vigilante shoots PJB- sound fair? I don't want Rockin vigged so much anymore, and with Gheb having replaced in, I expect to be able to get a read out of that slot. That makes the playerlist look like this:

Kary
Ran
Death Bear
PJB
Rockin
Soup-Orbo
Nabe
Circus-Xonar-Gheb
Kata

Assuming that Nabe's slot is cleared/condemned by his claim, if we don't get a scumflip come tomorrow I'll feel confident that Gheb/Kata hides at least one scum. I think this gives us a good chance of winning. Maybe Rockin/Death Bear hides a scummer but I doubt it.

So, that's the plan I'm operating on right now. Anyone have any objections, now would be a good time to voice them. Deadlines are a ***** for me so I expect to be voting within an hour or two.

Oh, and 'but Kary you're townreading PJB'. Yes, I am. But on the other hand I would rather he was vigged and we got his flip than potentially mislynch him tomorrow, throwing the game. There's not a lot of love for him at the moment and him being out the way would help the game move forward. Besides, I don't control the vig shot, do I?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm cool with that. Also think one of Nabe/Gheb should be investigated on a Orbo townflip.

 

[ranmaru]

Upon a Orbo scum flip I think it would be good to vig Deathbear. Thoughts?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Well I'm not totally thrilled with the idea of being killed, but I'm pretty confident in a non-townflip from Orbo so I guess I can cosign to that plan.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Well I'm not totally thrilled with the idea of being killed, but I'm pretty confident in a non-townflip from Orbo so I guess I can cosign to that plan.

how confident are you, scale of 1-10?

you realize the plan could work the other way around, right?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Upon a Orbo scum flip I think it would be good to vig Deathbear. Thoughts?

i'm much less opinionated if Orbo flips scum. because got scum. kinda doubt db scum witrh orbo but ehhh.

oh, and about both scum being on the same waggon. i haven't super thought about that yet. but its prolly important for tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

i guess 8/10.

Whatcha mean "other way around"? You mean lynching me and vigging Orbo? Obviously I'm going to be against that because I don't want to be mislynched. Even though I don't know Orbo's alignment with 100% certainty, I do know mine, and I'd prefer not to reduce town's numbers if I can help it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

hunky dory. i'm mosty teasing you anyhow.

do one more thing for me, elaborate on what you meant by this:

Well since everyone seems content to foolishly let Nabe slide on not claiming today, despite everybody being in complete agreement that he needs to claim, I guess I have no choice.

Vote: Orbo

I'll be damned if I let myself go down while obvscum is hanging around. Let's do dis.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

*taps foot*

pjb?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

my bad, was looking at youtubes.

I just meant that I'd only be willing to allow myself to be mislynched if I was just scratching my head all game like "wtf i don't even... no direction, no idea what to do". That's how I felt in Hunter X Hunter.

This game, however, I have a direction I like, and want to pursue. I'm not about to just say "well fine guys, go ahead and lynch me, you'll be sorry!" when there's people like Nabe and Orbo around just being all scummy and ****.

I'm aware that I could be viewed as a liability in lylo, since so many people seem to want to lynch me, but I'm not willing to go down as a liability lynch when we could be lynching scum instead

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Very well then.

A brief reminder:

So i'm looking at my reads again. Here's what I think. I hammer Orbo, and if he townflips, the vigilante shoots PJB- sound fair? I don't want Rockin vigged so much anymore, and with Gheb having replaced in, I expect to be able to get a read out of that slot.

and without further ado... our time this Day draws near.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

A town like this has heroes... it has villains. It has those that stand between them.
It has people just trying to make an honest living, and people just trying to survive.
Who am I to judge one way or another? Nobody.
But if you can't stand up and fight for what you believe in, you're better off sleeping in.
It's a dangerous place out there- and I guess, maybe i'm part of that problem.

bring forth the hammer, and let us see what we have done.
Loxodon Smiter!

Vote: Orboknown

goodnight, until tomorrow

 

[#HBC | marshy]

votecount 2.14
orbo (5) - ran rockin pjb gheb kary
pjb (4) - death bear orbo nabe kataefi

voting log
orbo -> pjb -> none -> pjb
pjb -> nabe -> orbo
rockin -> orbo
death bear -> nabe -> none -> pjb
ranmaru -> nabe -> none -> pjb -> orbo
gheb -> ranmaru -> kataefi -> death bear -> none -> orbo
nabe -> pjb -> kary -> pjb
kataefi -> nabe -> orbo -> pjb
kary -> nabe -> none -> rockin -> kataefi -> orbo

with 9 ballin it takes 5 to hardbody. deadline is 3/29 11:59:59 pm est

send in actions for n2. deadline is 4/1 at 11:59:59 pm est

iight guys my laptop broke so i dont have the best pictures and also dont feel like typing flavor on this phone so uh

orbo the scumbag had been hardbodied

wow. there are as many dead scum as there have been dayphases. will the hardbody crew reclaim their land? or will the lone scumbag make the hail mary play?

all this and more on the next installment of

ENTER THE HARDBODY

 

[#HBC | marshy]

nabe died. he was the town detective

death bear died. he was a vanilla townie

deadline = 4/10 11:59:59 pm est. with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Wow. Nabe was actually town huh? My mind is literally blown.

So here's my thoughts coming into toDay

People I'm almost certain are Town
Me
Ran
Kary

Kinda sorta pretty sure is town
Rockin'

Scum is among them
Kataefi
Gheb

So to start with, I wanna hear from Rockin. Who are your scumpicks coming into today?

 

[ranmaru]

I am most certain of Kary and Rockin being town, then pjb slight town, and one of Kat/Gheb should have the scum.

Yet, I thought of something that can cover Gheb/Kat/Pjb!

Worst case scenario:
5v1
Lynch Gheb
4v1
Night kill Vig Kill: PJB
2v1
Lynch Kat

Thoughts? Mine are:

I'm not liking Gheb's scumreads on Rockin and Kary. He never really gave reasoning, and was fine with getting on Orbo. Notice that the wagon on PJB was not mostly scum. DB and Orbo were not scum together, and Nabe was town. That leaves Kat. I also never liked Circus's play. He never really went anywhere. Sure he didn't try to keep appearances, but I still find it somewhat suspicious that he had no real direction. Xonar was very conflicted with his reads but I had no real read on him, he didn't really put out much. GET IN DA XONE. Anyways, only thing of note to me was that he didn't really push for Orbo outright, saying 'he'd unravel himself'.

PJB seemed townier after being pushed by Orbo and even had some good questions to throw back at him. Yet the things that concern me is Soup's town read on him, and him then having some 'concerning' read on PJB without much explanation. I come in and attack PJB, and Soup jumps on! I felt there he got on to cover up for the fact that he didn't really explain (or couldn't explain) the change from PJB town to PJB scum. Also, PJB had dropped his Soup push entirely and I still am not really satisfied on that. I'm sorry PJB, but I don't really see a solid disconnect there and don't really see what convinced you there. Also, Soup dropped some Wifom on his 'crap' case on PJB, which is concerning as well.

Kat had been lurking a bit yesterday, and he wasn't really sure on his push on Soup?? Now I'm having a real damn hard time reading Kat here and I'm trying to CHANNEL vandy here cuz he told me once that ScumKat would lead the town into circles, but if I refer to Epic Rap Battles, I don't remember Kat really running us into circles. ;-; I can't frickin read Kat. Damn it Kat. I want to simply say "Well, he pushed on bardull, and was doing a push on Soup... both were scum yadda yadda"... but there are just some intentions I can't understand he'd do as mafia. I mean, I'm trying to think if that's what he'd do as mafia, to just push a buddy just to keep up appearances... As Mafia, I would guess he didn't expect I'd jump onto Soup as I did. I might consider lynching Kat first.

 

[ranmaru]

Kary, I need you bro.

I am considering on switching the order by having Kat first because he was off the Orbo wagon for one. I'm going to be looking into Kary's case on Kat soon.

 

[ranmaru]

@Kat: Why did you start your push on Soup instead of PJB? Why did you default back to PJB when PJB wasn't really a concern to you when there was a growing push for you to have?

 

[ranmaru]

@Kary: Do you think Kat attacked Soup with a weak premise so that he wouldn't have to actually commit to a lynch on Soup? (Basically having soup be able to explain the weak points and have Kat like them)

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Honestly, I'm ok with having to go at some point, but it can't be toDay. I think as long as Kat and Gheb are gone before the end of the game, we should be fine. So one of them go toDay, vig the other (or me, if you really have to) and we're good.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah I'd rather lynch one of Gheb/Kat before vigging you cuz I'm thinking they hold a scum and I'd rather lynch right because it'd be that much more ballin.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes I'm here And yes I'm surprised soup replaced out. I'm in no position to say he engineered a breakdown and replaced out just to play a scum game (if you can even call that playing a scum game...)

unvote

Kat unvotes Soup immediately. It is a good idea to wait for the replacement to see how they'll do. Yet..

Who is scum to you? I want to get more insight into what you think of the PJB wagon and players who pushed in this direction earlier toDay. I've noticed you've dropped Nabe for now so I'm curious as to where your mind is.

He starts asking people about the wagoners on PJB. I mean, let me think of it like this. Would town go "Ok, my strongest scumread replaced... let me ask others about a different wagon and other scumreads I have before really thinking about the person coming in as possibly still scum"

Kat I want you to tell me the town intent for moving on to questions not related to the soup/orbo slot.

Ran can you explain your progression from SoupTown to Soupscum? If I remember correctly you had Soup as someone you wouldn't lynch. How did he become your #1 scum pick?

I also don't see the purpose of Kat asking me this question. It seemed like he wasn't really liking my jump onto Soup. From this you can tell Kat didn't really expect my attack to come to Soup. I did mention dislike of Soup (after marshy extended the deadline for Deathbear on D1), and it mostly stemmed from that. I also don't like that Kat didn't really go anywhere with this question. I told him but he never really continued the questioning or even explain if my answer satisfied his curiosity.

I should explain myself as to why I've gone quiet. It's a combination of everything IRL happening at once and also Soup replacing out. I've never come across the situation

Perhaps I'm naive in refusing to think a scummie would replace out under pressure at a time when I wanted to question my biggest scumspect...

Anyway I dislike the way he played D1. He never over-extended - in the early game he believed Bardull's catchup post to be something along the lines of bad (somewhere around page 4/5), and did Bardull change? No... We see soup continue to dilly-dally over wagons but show concern over Bardull during my interactions with him. He never joins this wonderful D1 wagon despite looking like he had a reason to... And who does he propose 24 hours before deadline? Circus and myself, 2 players he showed a clear hesitancy to lynch... Why place a spotlight on these names specifically?

This is something that I've been thinking about for a long time and it's causing me a headache so bear with me.

What happened in Toonami?

He is giving both reasons for why Soup is scum and also mentions doubt but doesn't really show that he is willing to committ to PJB. It seems to me like he is trying to show some concern over soup, visible so others can see, but he SEEMS caught up by the replace and just whines about it tripping him up instead of doing something about it. (Re-read his slot, or wait on Orbo)

PJB can still go. Nothing has changed here... I stated my lynch pool quite early on in the Day. He has found scum picks in every single player that has ever attempted to push him... He is extremely defensive. I've been thinking about whether 2 scum would pop out of the woodwork at the same time to push for my lynch though. I've also been thinking about whether the scummies are attempting to scapegoat him, as he continuously seems to place himself in such bad situations... That's the crux of it in a nutshell. This is a lynch I support

Ok NOW he's fine with lynching PJB, but wasn't really interested in him earlier. He told me he was re-assessing him but what happened to that? He's now just totally cool with it and didn't re-assess PJB.

Well I think Soup is likelier to flip town than scum. I don't think he'd have it in him to replace out as a scummie just because he was caught out... and THEN post something back in the thread.

unvote
vote: PJB

Or maybe Death Bear... I've been side-eyeing him for sometime mainly through PoE.

Or maybe Circus/Xonar now that I realised Bardull was awfully curious in not wanting to get him lynched... What does everyone think of this slot?

Also I want Rockin to explain his read on Soup and how it has progressed. He had slight scum leans iirc and I don't know want him to pander up to me with things like "looking forward to what you have to say kat..." etc etc.

Well he shows he really is cool with killing PJB. It shows he really believes that Soup replacing out was a town tell. I also don't get why it was a town replace, instead of being null.

Also Kary I can't go anywhere else with Soup because he's not here... I was supposed to dance with him but he got cold feet

Another thing. He mentions this, but he never waited for Orbo to come in and do his thing as I did. He just continued to look at other scumspects and just whine about Soup replacing after getting pressured. I think waiting for Orbo and Xonar was a good choice.

I think it's fine to go towards Kat today. Any thoughts, guys? (On these quotes and my thoughts on them)

 

[ranmaru]

Also, just so everyone knows, the vigilante MUST kill TONIGHT. If he doesn't, we only have two lynches. D:

(Please correct me if I'm wrong though)

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP:

He is giving both reasons for why Soup is scum and also mentions doubt but doesn't really show that he is willing to committ to PJB Soup. It seems to me like he is trying to show some concern over soup, visible so others can see, but he SEEMS caught up by the replace and just whines about it tripping him up instead of doing something about it. (Re-read his slot, or wait on Orbo)

Lol don't know why I typed PJB there. xD

 

[ranmaru]

I'm going to drop the "And Gheb was fine with going towards Orbo" point. I meant that it seemed like a good reward for him as scum to just bus him to get some cred, but I think I was looking too deep into it. I still have problems with Circus, and I think I just disagree with his reads. Yet, I still think he should clear up his reasoning for Rockin/Kary/Kat. Especially Kat.

Still think Gheb's slot is of concern though, but I'm just trying to double check.

 

[Kataefi]

Ranny I'm the vig

I shot Bardull. I'm surprised to see Death Bear flipped Town... hmm.

FWIW my push on Soup was genuine. The only reason I switched was because I can also see the unedited post where he called you a ******. That's like sticking the middle finger up.

Considering he replaced out as soon as we pressured him and later came back to insult you, it all started to look controversial and had me reconsidering, because [as scum] it makes all this look like such a sour loss to be caught out like that.

Tl;dr: I thought "Surely he wouldn't do BOTH these things as scum?", and he did, so I'm a little disappointed.

Anyway move on! I'll post some more thoughts in a bit.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Terrible reads by almost everybody. Kat being Vig was extremely obvious via Bardull's scumflip alone. Responding now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wow. Nabe was actually town huh? My mind is literally blown.

No it's not. I have a strong suspicion that you are responsible for this. Why were you so keen on getting Nabe to claim again? Your argument on it has been contradictory. On the one hand you kept saying that he was banking on surviving as long as possible but you also said he was going to die anyway. Neither of these arguments sufficiently explain why Nabe would've acted that way as scum. I'm like 90% sure now that he's flpped what he claimed to be that you were feeling threatenend by him. Being the last scumbag you would've been doomed regardless of which power he actually possessed so you had no choice anymore but to kill. This matches your attempts to fish out his role way too perfectly to be mere concidence. Nobody else had a reason to kill Nabe. I know, NA speculation is WIFOM and all but with how much of your behavior during all of yesterDay is involved I'd be shocked if nobody else saw what I am seeing.

People I'm almost certain are Town
Me
Ran
Kary

Kinda sorta pretty sure is town
Rockin'

Scum is among them
Kataefi
Gheb

So to start with, I wanna hear from Rockin. Who are your scumpicks coming into today?

This is terrible insight. Disgusting. How can you be "sorta" be "pretty sure" Rockin is town when he hasn't done **** all game? How the **** are we supposed to be certain you are town when the guy you were desperate to fish his claim from was the ****ing detective? Also you have Kat in your scumlist when he is actually the Vig. You also have Kary as town because ________? Your reads suck and you need to stop with that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not liking Gheb's scumreads on Rockin and Kary. He never really gave reasoning, and was fine with getting on Orbo.

Dude, I've replaced in approx. 24 hours before Day ended. It's not that I "never gave reasoning", it's simply the case that I couldn't get to it because there wasn't enough time for it. I apologize for not being able to pull a case out of my ass in such a short time [esp. since most of what's left of that Day phase was during my sleep time]. I will cut out such unnecessary activities as eating, sleeping and going to university from now on.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

OK, so this new SWF is making it a complete pain to gather posts and comment on them. Any tips are appreciated, otherwise it's gonna take some time until I have it all sorted out.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Arg.

Go town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

OK, since it took me nearly an hour to gather all the quotes re: Kary and another half hour to respond to it just to have it all accidentally deleted I'm going to try a different approach.

@Kary

- You've been hating on my playerslot for pretty much all game. I have not seen you make any compelling points on that matter, neither on Circus nor any of the other players. You've mentioned you had a scumread but I couldn't find your reasoning. If I'm wrong about this please show me where and why I did so. I absolutely hate how you've been kicking this read down the road without actually making any attempts to do something about it. The only time you actually put your money where your mouth is re: your read was at the end of Day - where it mattered the least. So please either show me what your reasoning is based on and start actually pushing this read or else admit that your read is garbage.

- At one point during Day 1 you mentioned that Kat, Bardull and my slot as your preferred lynches. With the fact in mind that you have made no attempts to point out why my slot was supposedly scummy I think it looks bad on you that you "opted" to vote Circus instead of the confirmed scumbag. You understand that from my point of view this looks particularly bad, knowing that I am town? I also am not convinced by your Bardull "read" in the first place as you had never mentioned any issues with him before nor have you bothered to point out why he is less scumm than Circus. This whole thing looks completely baseless and random.

- You've been mentioning Kat as a possible lynch / vig choice during most of the game. The only time I remember you actually making it clear why this is the case was during Day 1 when you accused him of being "overly defensive". Suffice it to say, that this is terrible reasoning and in 9 out of 10 cases it's a scumbag's attempt to discredit somebody he is unable to make a better case against. I'm not even gonna hold the fact that Kat is the Vig against you here [even though it should've been pretty obvious that he vigged Bardull], the way you've been pushing alone has been nothing short of atrocious.

- I don't think the fact that you hammered Orb can be held to your credit as you've been pretty much indifferent towards his slot all game and a hammer against PJB wasn't expected anyway since you've shared a similar MO to him, especially on Day 2 [hate on Nabe, switch to Orb for whatever reason].

Do you understand why I think your reads are awful? You have [or at least had] interactions with Kat, Nabe and myself that imply you are suspicious of these slots when all three are town. You've been pretty indifferent towards Orbo's slot and had a very questionable read on Bardull. Most of that is not backed up in any way. Convince me that this is not you being scum. Because I believe with the reasoning I presented you you owe us a lot more than a poorly playing townie would owe us at this point.

Rockin coming later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[...] you accused him of being "overly defensive". [...] in 9 out of 10 cases it's a scumbag's attempt to discredit somebody he is unable to make a better case against.

Btw, this is part of the reason why I think a bus between Orbo and PJB yesterDay is more likely than a lot of people believe. Neither had a good reason to be suspicious of each other yet both were pretty much set on tunneling each other for most of the 2nd half of Day 2.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yo. I'm very busy IRL. I was not expecting this to be back already, I will be around with content/direction in a day or two.

Don't rush the Day.

If Kata is the vig, I'll be pleased to hear that. Explains lurky Kata.

@Gheb; I am obvtown. I will respond to your points later, but if you for srs think i'm scum, you'll have to explain why I spent the entirety of yesterDay pushing in the opposite direction to my scumbuddy, only to hammer them. Otherwise stop wasting your time.

laterz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb; I am obvtown. I will respond to your points later, but if you for srs think i'm scum, you'll have to explain why I spent the entirety of yesterDay pushing in the opposite direction to my scumbuddy, only to hammer them. Otherwise stop wasting your time.

I'm not sure you're scum but you're scummy. Your counter-argument is extremely bad - so bad that it's not actually an argument at all.

Right now I think PJB is a stronger play than you.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Lol, now I'm suspicious to Gheb because he doesn't understand how I caught Orboscum.

Also because scum killed the guy who claimed to be a power role. Musta been me, cuz why would scum want to kill Town PRs, right? Looks more like an attempt to frame me, and a pretty obvious one.

I'm down for Gheb going first.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Lol, now I'm suspicious to Gheb because he doesn't understand how I caught Orboscum.

Don't make me laugh.

Looks more like an attempt to frame me, and a pretty obvious one.

I'm down for Gheb going first.

The omgus though.