Enter The Darkness: Dark Samus Support Thread

[Starphoenix]

Dark Samus seems like the best choice for a Metroid rep after Ridley, but I fear the distaste for Prime in Japan may prevent Dark Samus from being added. If she is in, I'd prefer her Prime 2 appearance. Prime 3's looks a bit too much like the PED suit and much less organic.

Nothing compares to the distaste of Other M.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I'm not sure there's much distaste for Other M in Japan compared to in the West. I mean wasn't the former where the game got most of its sales?

 

[Starphoenix]

I'm not sure there's much distaste for Other M in Japan compared to in the West. I mean wasn't the former where the game got most of its sales?

No, it actually did better in North America than it did in Japan, or Europe for that matter. So if the game is so critically panned in the one place where it had relative success, what does that say? As far as I know, despite the complaints of Corruption, it performed better than Other M.

Really it's no surprise to me that Miyamoto sounds like, at least from what I interpreted of his latest statement, that he might be more in control of the next Metroid title.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Really it's no surprise to me that Miyamoto sounds like, at least from what I interpreted of his latest statement, that he might be more in control of the next Metroid title.

Good riddance. Hopefully, the next 3D Metroid keeps/refines the gameplay and has much less linear levels design and a better, more thought out story.

 

[DarkSouls]

Dark Samus stage: Sanctuary Fortress

Sanctuary Fortress was built by the Luminoth, a technologically advanced species, to oversee the defense of their main city. All manner of advanced robots were created to service this technological paradise. When a Leviathan Seed struck Aether and split it into a dark half and a light half, Sanctuary Fortress was besieged by the Ign, a species of shadowy parasites, who turned the machines against their masters. This is where Dark Samus faces against Samus Aran for the third time.

The stage would start out as a flat stage with walk-off edges and a small platform floating on each side. This is the bottom of the elevator. Mechanoids like Rezbits and Quads will stalk the background of the stage, but will not interact with the action. After 30 seconds, the central section of the stage will begin moving slowly upwards.

After 15 seconds of rising, it will stop at the next destination. Again, it's a flat stage, but there are now pits on either side. Above the stage is a long, glowing platform about half the width of the stage (A spider ball rail). Touching the bottom of this platform will flip a character upside down so he can walk along the bottom of it; however, if the character loses contact with the rail, he will become detached. The background of this section would have the massive mechanoid Quadraxis stomping around near the bottom, occasionally firing its Annihilator Beam at buildings in the background. The spider ball rail will eventually disappear after another 40 seconds and the central stage will begin rising again as an elevator for 15 seconds.

When it reaches the top, a central pillar rises out of the bottom of the stage to about single jump height, serving as a solid object. The pillar can be destroyed with enough effort. After 40 more seconds, the pillar retracts and the elevator zooms quickly downward (Lowering gravity briefly), reaching the bottom of the stage after 10 seconds. Then the cycle starts again.

Fun detail: If Samus or Dark Samus are not present on the stage, you can see them in the background shooting at the various robots and destroying them.

Sanctuary Fortress is my favorite Metroid level ever, so seeing it would make me very happy.

Miyamoto sounds like, at least from what I interpreted of his latest statement, that he might be more in control of the next Metroid title.

This is good news. Metroid Prime is the Metroid game he had the most involvement on, and we all saw how that turned out.

Did you know that he was the guy who originally came up with the visor system?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Did you know that he was the guy who originally came up with the visor system?

I had heard that he was the one who suggested it be a first-person game. I thought Retro mostly handled the rest.

 

[DarkSouls]

I had heard that he was the one who suggested it be a first-person game. I thought Retro mostly handled the rest.

There's actually a pretty interesting story behind it.

Miyamoto suggested that Samus be able to "put on different heads, like you could put on a bug head and see like a bug." Due to translation issues, Retro thought he was being literal, and actually spent time trying out concept art with a bug-eyed helmet Samus. They eventually realized that he wasn't suggesting something that ridiculous, but instead suggesting that Samus should be able to see in a different way. That's where the thermal visor and the X-ray visor eventually came from.

Even the suggestion to just put the game in first-person was supremely important; one of the best things about Metroid Prime is the atmospheric effects like your visor misting up or your bones showing up with the X-ray visor.

 

[Starphoenix]

First off, nice stage concept DS. Sorry I had to snip it, but it's for my screens sake.

This is good news. Metroid Prime is the Metroid game he had the most involvement on, and we all saw how that turned out.

Did you know that he was the guy who originally came up with the visor system?

Really? I was not aware of any of this. This does make me more excited. In fact, the way he talked about Metroid on the Wii U recently makes me wonder if the visor system plays a part in what he was talking about? Don't know.

To get back on topic though, as much as I like Sanctuary Fortress something from Corruption still makes the most sense for a Prime/DS stage right now.

 

[DarkSouls]

To get back on topic though, as much as I like Sanctuary Fortress something from Corruption still makes the most sense for a Prime/DS stage right now.

Norion and Phaaze are unfortunately the only areas Dark Samus shows up on in Prime 3 (Not counting the ghostly version that absorbs the hunters). Both are decent places, but I really would prefer Bryyo or Skytown. Skytown especially, since it has so many neat environmental features like grapple rails, gondolas, kinetic orb cannons, etc., and floating platforms actually make sense on that stage.

I guess the GFS Valhalla might be an interesting choice; Dark Samus raided there in the logs, so it might make sense.

Also, no problem about snipping the stage from your post; it's probably for the better, since it's a big wall of text.

 

[Starphoenix]

Norion and Phaaze are unfortunately the only areas Dark Samus shows up on in Prime 3 (Not counting the ghostly version that absorbs the hunters). Both are decent places, but I really would prefer Bryyo or Skytown. Skytown especially, since it has so many neat environmental features like grapple rails, gondolas, kinetic orb cannons, etc., and floating platforms actually make sense on that stage.

I guess the GFS Valhalla might be an interesting choice; Dark Samus raided there in the logs, so it might make sense.

Also, no problem about snipping the stage from your post; it's probably for the better, since it's a big wall of text.

Well, my vote is going with Skytown Elysia, if nothing else because it is probably the most atmospheric location in the entire game. Remember, even though a Corruption stage could possibly tie into DS, it does not need too. Still think Phaaze would be the likeliest, but I just cannot bring myself to imagine another Metroid, let alone Prime, stage being wasted on another cave...

 

[DarkSouls]

Well, my vote is going with Skytown Elysia, if nothing else because it is probably the most atmospheric location in the entire game. Remember, even though a Corruption stage could possibly tie into DS, it does not need too. Still think Phaaze would be the likeliest, but I just cannot bring myself to imagine another Metroid, let alone Prime, stage being wasted on another cave...

Metroid stage design in a nutshell...

64...

Developer 1: Hey guys, we're missing a Metroid stage!
Sakurai: I hate Metroid. We don't need a Metroid stage.
Developer 2: But Samus needs her own stage, doesn't she?
Sakurai: ...Fine. I played Metroid before. Isn't it that game with the caves and lava?
Developer 1: Well, I was thinking of the Crateria setting from Super Metroid, or some of the more vibrant Brinstar sett-
Sakurai: Nah, let's just make a stage in a cave with lava.
Developer 1: But Brinstar...
Sakurai: Okay, we'll call it Brinstar.

Melee...

Developer 2: Hey, let's add another stage for each returning franchise!
Sakurai: Sounds good to me; I'd love two Kirby stages.
Developer 1: For a Metroid stage, I was thinking something set in the greenery of Brinstar, with Kraid walking around in the backgro-
Sakurai: Don't we already have a Brinstar?
Developer 2: Well, he was meaning a Brinstar more like Super Metroid's-
Sakurai: Fine, we'll make another Brinstar stage. God, you guys love that place. Make it another cave with some lava and put this "Kraid" guy in the background. He's the short guy with the hair, right?

Brawl...

Developer 1: Oh my gosh, we have to make some cool new Metroid stages! There are a bunch of new Metroid games to choose from!
Sakurai: We already made two.
Developer 1: But...
Sakurai: What, you want another one? Fine. I'll go play through Metroid and see what areas catch my eye.

*...A few days later...*

Sakurai: Alright, the two main areas are Norfair and Brinstar. We've already done Brinstar twice, so let's do Norfair next. Norfair's a cave with lava, and you seem to love those.
Developer 2: What about Tourian?
Sakurai: What, you sneezin' or something?
Developer 2: Tourian, the last area in the original Metroid.
Sakurai: Stop talking like there's more than one of these games. Anyway, I didn't get that far, so make Norfair.
Developer 1: What about a level from the Metroid Prime series?
Sakurai:..........The what? Whatever, make another cave with lava.
Developer 1: But I'm sick of caves! I'm sick of lava! I want a cool and unique Metroid stage, like Phendrana Drifts, or Chozodia, or-
Sakurai: Fine, fine. Metroid's in space, right? Make a level in a space ship.
Developer 1:

 

[Ridley_Prime]

No, it actually did better in North America than it did in Japan, or Europe for that matter. So if the game is so critically panned in the one place where it had relative success, what does that say? As far as I know, despite the complaints of Corruption, it performed better than Other M.

Really it's no surprise to me that Miyamoto sounds like, at least from what I interpreted of his latest statement, that he might be more in control of the next Metroid title.

I was just going off of some things I heard from others before. If that's really the case then I guess I stand corrected. And I figured Corruption did better than Other M at least. I felt the former didn't deserve half the criticism it got.

More in control as far as what? Choosing/permitting what development team can make the next game, or him actually directing the next game?

 

[Deleted member]

Metroid stage design in a nutshell...

64...

Developer 1: Hey guys, we're missing a Metroid stage!
Sakurai: I hate Metroid. We don't need a Metroid stage.
Developer 2: But Samus needs her own stage, doesn't she?
Sakurai: ...Fine. I played Metroid before. Isn't it that game with the caves and lava?
Developer 1: Well, I was thinking of the Crateria setting from Super Metroid, or some of the more vibrant Brinstar sett-
Sakurai: Nah, let's just make a stage in a cave with lava.
Developer 1: But Brinstar...
Sakurai: Okay, we'll call it Brinstar.

Actually, it's Planet Zebes.

 

[DarkSouls]

Actually, it's Planet Zebes.

...You're right. Brinstar is the Melee version.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Metroid stage design in a nutshell...

64...

Developer 1: Hey guys, we're missing a Metroid stage!
Sakurai: I hate Metroid. We don't need a Metroid stage.
Developer 2: But Samus needs her own stage, doesn't she?
Sakurai: ...Fine. I played Metroid before. Isn't it that game with the caves and lava?
Developer 1: Well, I was thinking of the Crateria setting from Super Metroid, or some of the more vibrant Brinstar sett-
Sakurai: Nah, let's just make a stage in a cave with lava.
Developer 1: But Brinstar...
Sakurai: Okay, we'll call it Brinstar.

Melee...

Developer 2: Hey, let's add another stage for each returning franchise!
Sakurai: Sounds good to me; I'd love two Kirby stages.
Developer 1: For a Metroid stage, I was thinking something set in the greenery of Brinstar, with Kraid walking around in the backgro-
Sakurai: Don't we already have a Brinstar?
Developer 2: Well, he was meaning a Brinstar more like Super Metroid's-
Sakurai: Fine, we'll make another Brinstar stage. God, you guys love that place. Make it another cave with some lava and put this "Kraid" guy in the background. He's the short guy with the hair, right?

Brawl...

Developer 1: Oh my gosh, we have to make some cool new Metroid stages! There are a bunch of new Metroid games to choose from!
Sakurai: We already made two.
Developer 1: But...
Sakurai: What, you want another one? Fine. I'll go play through Metroid and see what areas catch my eye.

*...A few days later...*

Sakurai: Alright, the two main areas are Norfair and Brinstar. We've already done Brinstar twice, so let's do Norfair next. Norfair's a cave with lava, and you seem to love those.
Developer 2: What about Tourian?
Sakurai: What, you sneezin' or something?
Developer 2: Tourian, the last area in the original Metroid.
Sakurai: Stop talking like there's more than one of these games. Anyway, I didn't get that far, so make Norfair.
Developer 1: What about a level from the Metroid Prime series?
Sakurai:..........The what? Whatever, make another cave with lava.
Developer 1: But I'm sick of caves! I'm sick of lava! I want a cool and unique Metroid stage, like Phendrana Drifts, or Chozodia, or-
Sakurai: Fine, fine. Metroid's in space, right? Make a level in a space ship.
Developer 1:

lololol. Actually, I think that's what happened with a lot of stages and other stuff.

 

[DarkSouls]

lololol. Actually, I think that's what happened with a lot of stages and other stuff.

Yeah. Like would it kill them to make a Starfox level that's not on the Great Fox or a ship resembling the Great Fox (Lylat Cruise)?

 

[dlbpc]

Well, my vote is going with Skytown Elysia, if nothing else because it is probably the most atmospheric location in the entire game. Remember, even though a Corruption stage could possibly tie into DS, it does not need too. Still think Phaaze would be the likeliest, but I just cannot bring myself to imagine another Metroid, let alone Prime, stage being wasted on another cave...

At least it would look better than the orange caves thus far. And there need not be any lava. Skytown would be great, though.

No, it actually did better
Really it's no surprise to me that Miyamoto sounds like, at least from what I interpreted of his latest statement, that he might be more in control of the next Metroid title.

Yeah, I've heard as much. I certainly hope so, and I'd like Retro to come back. As long as Sakamoto stays away.

Yeah. Like would it kill them to make a Starfox level that's not on the Great Fox or a ship resembling the Great Fox (Lylat Cruise)?

The Great Fox shows up in the background, too.

 

[Deleted member]

It's against the rules to not have at least one Metroid stage with rising and falling acid or lava and it is also against the rules to not have a StarFox stage that doesn't involve the Great Fox in some way.

 

[Starphoenix]

It's against the rules to not have at least one Metroid stage with rising and falling acid or lava and it is also against the rules to not have a StarFox stage that doesn't involve the Great Fox in some way.

W
e will probably have two new Metroid stages anyways. There is Other M that we could, and probably will, get our complimentary lava stage from.

Let the Prime stage bring the atmosphere.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

At least it would look better than the orange caves thus far. And there need not be any lava. Skytown would be great, though.


Yeah, I've heard as much. I certainly hope so, and I'd like Retro to come back. As long as Sakamoto stays away.

I agree about Skytown, though still rooting for Phendrana Drifts.

Retro is working on a new project, but what kind of game it is is still secret at the moment since it was withheld from E3. As for Sakamoto, since he was the director of every Metroid 2D/sidescroller out there barring Metroid II, I would at least want him to be involved with that kind of style game if one ever gets made for the series again, preferably as a Metroid Fusion sequel, which we're long overdue for.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I agree about Skytown, though still rooting for Phendrana Drifts.

Retro is working on a new project, but what kind of game it is is still secret at the moment since it was withheld from E3. As for Sakamoto, since he was the director of every Metroid 2D/sidescroller out there barring Metroid II, I would at least want him to be involved with that kind of style game if one ever gets made for the series again, preferably as a Metroid Fusion sequel, which we're long overdue for.

I'd rather he be kept as some kind of "adviser", especially when it comes to the story. Hopefully, Team Ninja can be brought back to do gameplay and polish the Other M engine, or Nintendo just uses it themselves. Fingers crossed the backlash against OM didn't scare them away from using the GOOD ideas it had.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

i like Skytown, i have been replaying Corruption lately and i just killed Ghor, and it while it sometimes is annoying, swinging around on the rails and doing the cannons is fun, and since you spend a large amount of time in skytown or bryyon, it makes sense to put a map there.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I'd rather he be kept as some kind of "adviser", especially when it comes to the story. Hopefully, Team Ninja can be brought back to do gameplay and polish the Other M engine, or Nintendo just uses it themselves. Fingers crossed the backlash against OM didn't scare them away from using the GOOD ideas it had.

I'd rather Team Ninja not come back personally. They even talked crap about Other M themselves when they were hyping up Ninja Gaiden 3 (making good publicity out of Other M's bad publicity). Bunch of ****heads.

Sakamoto merely being an adviser would be fine with me too though, or if he was involved with stuff like the gameplay in a Fusion sequel or something. And I agree on that last part.

Fun fact: The dinosaur Yoshi was named after Yoshio Sakamoto due to his friendship with Miyamoto.

 

[Starphoenix]

i like Skytown, i have been replaying Corruption lately and i just killed Ghor, and it while it sometimes is annoying, swinging around on the rails and doing the cannons is fun, and since you spend a large amount of time in skytown or bryyon, it makes sense to put a map there.

After playing through my copy of Metroid Prime Trilogy my idea for a Skytown Elysia stage is to have the main platform be the Spire Dock with zip line cables that characters can grab to take to floating platforms to the left and right. The zip lines would make for a unique, new stage mechanic.

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[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

W
e will probably have two new Metroid stages anyways. There is Other M that we could, and probably will, get our complimentary lava stage from.

Let the Prime stage bring the atmosphere.

I think those would be the perfect Ridley stage.

However, I would prefer a Phaaze stage for Dark Samus. Imagine a chaotic, vortex of corruption that distorts reality itself? It would be one of the first horror/nightmarish stage in Smash, IMO.

 

[Starphoenix]

I think those would be the perfect Ridley stage.

However, I would prefer a Phaaze stage for Dark Samus. Imagine a chaotic, vortex of corruption that distorts reality itself? It would be one of the first horror/nightmarish stage in Smash, IMO.

Yeah, Phaaze would make sense... Would work better with many of the boss themes in the series.

Metroid Prime - Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2 - Emperor Ing
Metroid Prime 3 - Dark Samus

 

[MelMoe]

Phazze would be great atmosphere for Dark Samus. I really hope she gets in.

Is she really gone for good? I don't want her to be wiped out of Metroid forever. She could always come back using a new phazon source, or just a whole new energy source.

@ Venus- why u no add me on dat support list?

 

[Starphoenix]

Phazze would be great atmosphere for Dark Samus. I really hope she gets in.

Is she really gone for good? I don't want her to be wiped out of Metroid forever. She could always come back using a new phazon source, or just a whole new energy source.

@ Venus- why u no add me on dat support list?

I think when Retro was asked about Dark Samus returning in a future title they said it was possible, so it isn't like it couldn't happen. After all, Ridley has made a living off of nonsensically returning from the dead.

For instance, let's say the Federation had managed to preserve a small sample of Phazon and was trying to engineer synthetic versions of Phazon for miltary use. Unforeseen to them the spirit of Dark Samus managed to stay alive because of this, and after biding her time, regenerating, is able to resurrect herself in a half Metroid/half Samus form. Heck, maybe even tie it into the X parasites or something. Probably could run quite far with the fan fiction.

Just throwing it out there.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

For instance, let's say the Federation had managed to preserve a small sample of Phazon and was trying to engineer synthetic versions of Phazon for miltary use. Unforeseen to them the spirit of Dark Samus managed to stay alive because of this, and after biding her time, regenerating, is able to resurrect herself in a half Metroid/half Samus form. Heck, maybe even tie it into the X parasites or something. Probably could run quite far with the fan fiction.

Just throwing it out there.

Wow that is horrifying, and Dark Samus mixing with SA-X to form a copy of Samus so terrible it could reproduce itself while still using phazon.

 

[MelMoe]

I think when Retro was asked about Dark Samus returning in a future title they said it was possible, so it isn't like it couldn't happen. After all, Ridley has made a living off of nonsensically returning from the dead.

For instance, let's say the Federation had managed to preserve a small sample of Phazon and was trying to engineer synthetic versions of Phazon for miltary use. Unforeseen to them the spirit of Dark Samus managed to stay alive because of this, and after biding her time, regenerating, is able to resurrect herself in a half Metroid/half Samus form. Heck, maybe even tie it into the X parasites or something. Probably could run quite far with the fan fiction.

Just throwing it out there.

Hmm, that would be a very plausible way for her to make a reappearance. She could live off the synthetic phazon & actually start producing it herself; maybe even build her own army. Brilliant!

 

[assosiaan2014]

I would love to see Dark Samus be a playable character in SSB4. I always thought that they needed to include a new Metroid character, and this would be a perfect choice. I would love to be added to the group, if you would be so kind.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

I would love to see Dark Samus be a playable character in SSB4. I always thought that they needed to include a new Metroid character, and this would be a perfect choice. I would love to be added to the group, if you would be so kind.

Well since Metroid is the one of two of the original smash games not to have a second rep. And since the only two characters that are present in multiple games that could be playable, it makes since that it would either be Ridley or Dark Samus. It will probably be DS because of all the arguments of Ridley being too big, even though he stays the same size in most of the games, when Bowser has gone from a little bigger than Mario to the size of a building. But there are still the arguments that she will be just a clone. Everyone just wants to say no because 99% have never played a metroid or multiple metroid games enough to see the potential

 

[Deleted member]

People saying Ridley is too big won't really affect his chances in the long run.
It's just a matter of whether Sakurai finds the time that will need to be spent to make him playable worth it in the long run.
And despite being part of Samus, Zero Suit Samus counts a second character.
So technically, Ridley or Dark Samus would be #3.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

thats like zelda/sheik
they are together and are two separate characters, but they are lumped together as one, so it doesnt really change the fact that they would be a 2nd independent character
On some other threads, there are people wanting anthony, when he is in other M with his minigun, the way i see it, that would just be like snake but with different weapons and a different name and look
And there is no argument of DS being too much like normal Samus, if they put in a clone of Samus, it would be SA-X, which is a literal clone of Samus
i never saw samus merge herself with a giant computer like thing as she generates a poison that makes people more powerful

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Food for thought: with

Spoiler

Dark Samus being the Metroid Prime from MP1

, do you think we'd see anything of

Spoiler

the Metroid Prime

in her moveset?

 

[TheJohnMonster]

ive never seen samus do this

by the way, those tentacles would make a good grapple-like beam

 

[MelMoe]

Food for thought: with

Spoiler

Dark Samus being the Metroid Prime from MP1

, do you think we'd see anything of

Spoiler

the Metroid Prime

in her moveset?

Maybe as a final smash? It could be a wicked boss though.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

Maybe as a final smash? It could be a wicked boss though.

most characters final smash has something to do with what they do normally, so Dark Samus has a large amount of powers to choose from. Since she is also a unexplored character, Sakurai could make her do whatever the hell he wants her to do. She could merge with the Aurora Unit, she could be like Samus in hypermode, she could have the bosses from the leviathan seeds running around attacking people, i even proposed her floating into the middle of the screen and having giant tentacles of phazon flying around and whacking people.
She is made up of phazon, most people dont know what that is, so if he makes a smash that didnt appear in the games, most people will think she has actually done it

 

[Starphoenix]

Wow that is horrifying, and Dark Samus mixing with SA-X to form a copy of Samus so terrible it could reproduce itself while still using phazon.

Technically Dark Samus is part (or all) Metroid, and Metroids are the natural predators of X parasites, so technically Dark Samus would hunt SA-X. That is what I was attempting to portray.

Food for thought: with

Spoiler

Dark Samus being the Metroid Prime from MP1

, do you think we'd see anything of

Spoiler

the Metroid Prime

in her moveset?

I had this idea of Dark Samus' body being torn open and Metroid Prime (Core) coming out to attack the characters, but that would probably be too gruesome for Super Smash Bros.

 

[TheJohnMonster]

say there was an x parasite infused with phazon, and since DS could reproduce her self in phazon, she would be able to consume other creatures and recreate them in a phazon corrupted version. once again, the phazon and x parasites are not as explained as the metroids, so anything is possible in a video game.
i also think that the x parasites are going to come back, they cant just introduce a whole type of enemy and then get rid of it in one game, they are going to have to expand, and i hope they use the whole nunchuk and remote combo,