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EDIT: This is a big flaw in these characters, but I've been reading through this thread and people are already vouching some characters unuseable because of it. That's not the case. MOST OF THE TIME, these characters are only effected by this at higher percentages, but against a good edgehogging character(Jiggly for example) they'd have a big problem. But really overall Olimar has INSANE range for such a little guy. With most pikmin his foward and down smash extend further than Marth's sword. He's crazy.
It's all about off the edge mindgames. FowardAir an approaching edgegaurder trying to knock you back while your off the stage. Air dodge. Switch it up.
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Me and my friends yesterday during a match realized that if an opponent ever grabs onto the ledge while someone like Olimar is approching to recover, since his UpB is an auto sweetspot to the ledge what will end up happening is that he'll do is UpB completely upward as if there were no ledge nearby.
Zero Suit still has her DownB extra jump so its not AS bad for her, but Olimar and Ivysaur, I'm sorry to say could be killed at less than 50% from a backthrow at times because of this.
EDIT: Video found depicting what I'm talking about.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8hoWZlXK_gg
Keep in mind that Marth is actually fighting this Ivysaur and not going for this strategy at the start of every stock. So really this match could of been a bit shorter.
Double EDIT: If the vid doesn't convince you enough, just please take my word for it.
If you're on the ledge regardless of invincible frames, tethers won't sweetspot.
It's all about off the edge mindgames. FowardAir an approaching edgegaurder trying to knock you back while your off the stage. Air dodge. Switch it up.
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Me and my friends yesterday during a match realized that if an opponent ever grabs onto the ledge while someone like Olimar is approching to recover, since his UpB is an auto sweetspot to the ledge what will end up happening is that he'll do is UpB completely upward as if there were no ledge nearby.
Zero Suit still has her DownB extra jump so its not AS bad for her, but Olimar and Ivysaur, I'm sorry to say could be killed at less than 50% from a backthrow at times because of this.
EDIT: Video found depicting what I'm talking about.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8hoWZlXK_gg
Keep in mind that Marth is actually fighting this Ivysaur and not going for this strategy at the start of every stock. So really this match could of been a bit shorter.
Double EDIT: If the vid doesn't convince you enough, just please take my word for it.
If you're on the ledge regardless of invincible frames, tethers won't sweetspot.