Edge Egg Roll *Video Added*

[DstyCube]

I'm not too sure if this has been brought up, I tried searching the forum for it but nothing came up, I haven't had a lot of time to post lately, but it's summer now so there's lots of time. If it's already well known, my apologies. Anyways, a little over a month ago I saw a post on the Zelda forums where if you did a ledge jump you can cancel the jump as soon as you leave the ledge with any of her b moves.

So naturally I tried it out with Yoshi, and was actually able to do an egg roll from the ledge (very similar to the one from melee). The timing is a little tight, but all you do is tap the jump button when you're hanging on the ledge. As soon as you leave the ledge, you do an egg roll away from the stage, then you slam control stick back towards the stage so that you have the egg roll going at full speed.

*EDIT*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyregigq72Q

 

[Depster]

A variation of my lag cancelled roll. I found that tech, but I didn't know it could be done off the ledge. looks good, I'll have to try it

 

[Eddosan]

I've tried it, but whenever I use the lag-cancelled one, he rolls off the edge.

It's probably the timing...

 

[SOVAman]

Its very hard to time when i try i fall off

 

[DstyCube]

I'll try upload a video later.

 

[Bwett]

You don't need to do the egg roll away from the stage. As long as you time it properly, just jump and then forward b on the stage. It looks like it just assumes you are on ground so there is no bounce to the egg roll. Good find though

 

[SOVAman]

I'll try upload a video later.

thanks for the video it helps a little.

 

[EggZavier]

Didnt work here

 

[Zench]

hm, pretty useful at times. ty

 

[Wubblez]

The devil egg only brings me suicides half the time....

:D

I'll try this a little. Could be useful sometimes.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Awesome.

I'll add it to the video thread.

 

[Metatitan]

bump bump bumpity bump. discuss more plz. like how we should incorporate it into our ledge game.

 

[bigman40]

I'll add in when someone starts discussing. I'm to lazy right now to make a discussion start.

 

[~Firefly~]

Huh, I never would've thought of that. Of course, it's also highly unlikely that the opponent will expect something like this. This looks like a great surprise ledge tactic, probably best used when they think they can read what you're going to do. It actually looks pretty fast, so it would likely hit if they aren't prepared for it, particularly if they're in the air. However, if they anticipate some kind of attack and respond by shielding, this won't do much good, and we might get shield grabbed. Overall, good for a mix-up, but if relied on too heavily, most characters can predict and punish. Still, it's good to know the egg roll has a practical use. ^.^

 

[Metatitan]

itd be horrible if it werent such an unexpected thing to do ^^

 

[Shiri]

This is a hard tech to shieldgrab.

If you're getting shieldgrabbed from this, one of three things is happening:

1] You're doing it when the opponent is too close to the edge. This is generally unsafe idea anyway.

2] You're fighting King Dedede. Tough sh*t, since you shouldn't be doing this against him, anyway.

3] You got powershielded. Can't help that.

The best way to use Egg Roll off the edge is to use it when your opponent is spacing themselves so that they're prepared to intercept all of your getup options. Egg Roll from the edge, Egge Roll (I like that), is almost perfectly designed to help out your mixup game in this sort of scenario. Most characters have some sort of optimal distance from the edge where they can stand and react to your getup options instead of playing the guessing game. Egge Roll takes advantage of this with both its high priority bouncing at the start and its variable speed between the edge and your opponent. Not only can this mess up spacing and timing, but even if they attempt to connect out of surprise, you have a very favorable chance of tying with their attack.

The most surefire way to beat Egge Roll, of course, is to know when it's coming, as reacting to it can be a little difficult if the character trying to beat it doesn't have really really good moves that be pulled out quickly. This is, of course, why the move is best considered a mixup and shouldn't be abused. There are better ways to abuse Egg Roll; its use at the edge can almost be considered sacred because of how safe of a mixup it is.

 

[Yosheon]

This looks like a good technique, so I'll try to incorporate into my strategy.

It'll be useful against characters with low priority attacks.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

This looks really useful as a mix up. A lot of people try to space a smash or shield grab when you return, and this would totally mess up their timing if they didn't expect it. having more options can never hurt.

However, all this talk of egg rolls makes me hungry.

 

[Shiri]

You too?

I think we're going to be good friends. :]