Eazy vs Adhd

[Rubberbandman]

First match EAZY THIS IS PROPOGANDA. But still, gj.

Marth Virgin?

 

[GPEternity]

why didn't eazy try to take more of the bananas? especially the ones sitting on the platforms.

 

[Lord Chair]

As well as Mr R, I really don't think this thread serves any purpose.

The match against Keitaro was just lulzy and general discussion material.

The match against ADHD doesn't show a lot of skill on Eazy's part, he does a lot of awfully stupid things and the only reason he came close to winning is because of a rather silly tipper, and ADHD pretty much gimping himself. 'Oh mah gawd but it's ADHD', give me a break everyone does bad at times.

No offense to you Eazy, but you're in no way close to a really good player

 

[Albert.]

As well as Mr R, I really don't think this thread serves any purpose.

The match against Keitaro was just lulzy and general discussion material.

The match against ADHD doesn't show a lot of skill on Eazy's part, he does a lot of awfully stupid things and the only reason he came close to winning is because of a rather silly tipper, and ADHD pretty much gimping himself. 'Oh mah gawd but it's ADHD', give me a break everyone does bad at times.

LOL wow

The match is WORTH analyzing. Just because Eazy isn't one of the top Marths or because he wasn't playing perfectly doesn't mean we can't take some good things from the match. Regardless of the luck, Eazy DID get ADHD to last stock, Something that NEO has problems with. A bunch of people have been thinking that the match-up might actually be even OR Diddy's favor, and that for sure means that we should be taking what we can from ANY video. Especially BECAUSE Eazy isn't one of the best. What could/would the best players do in all of the different situations? And aren't we all working to be the best?

No offense to you Eazy, but you're in no way close to a really good player

That was really unnecessary. Nobody cares about your opinion on Eazy's skills. All I know, from my perception from watching him, Is that he is an above-average Marth player. A skilled player with good control, who generally only loses to some of the best players in Atlantic North. Saying that you CAN'T learn from him is a needlessly close-minded and harmful mindset.

NO OFFENSE

 

[Eazy23]

HAhahaha Albert you are awesome!

 

[Player-3]

you did pretty good, but you were playing the matchup strange (i don't know if that's how WC do it, or if you don't know it that well)

- do NOT play defensive unless both of the bannanas are under your control, on your side of the stage, playing defensive allows diddy so set up his naners which make it extremely annoying to get through and stop

- dtilting a diddys shield is fine, unless he has a naner... don't do that, 3 frame oos throw is pretty stupid
- if you get a naner, just hold on to it, and use z drop fairs or dancing blade until you see an opening
-adhd sux cp him to rc, even though he beat m2k on it so he may have gotten better
-something P1 told me, if a diddy ever hits you with monkey flip kick thing you can just up b and hit him at low/mid percents

really good job though


(these tips are player-1 approved)

 

[Eazy23]

Thanks for the advice, but I'm from Jersey man lmao!

 

[Player-3]

wat

i thought you were on WC for some reason
xD

 

[KillL0ck]

As well as Mr R, I really don't think this thread serves any purpose.

The match against Keitaro was just lulzy and general discussion material.

The match against ADHD doesn't show a lot of skill on Eazy's part, he does a lot of awfully stupid things and the only reason he came close to winning is because of a rather silly tipper, and ADHD pretty much gimping himself. 'Oh mah gawd but it's ADHD', give me a break everyone does bad at times.

No offense to you Eazy, but you're in no way close to a really good player

ADHD pretty much gimping himself would be clarified as a "Awfully stupid thing". No hate on ADHD but you need to make a better argument besides "Silly tuppers" considering how hard they are to get off consistently with forward smashes. With Marth you take what you can get even if you get a "silly tipper", it's all part of his character design.

Besides, Fast Fall Fair> Forward smash is a pretty decent way to hit someone who jumps out of shield a lot after an attack.

 

[Albert.]

you did pretty good, but you were playing the matchup strange (i don't know if that's how WC do it, or if you don't know it that well)

Maybe BECAUSE he was playing the match-up strangely is the reason WHY he didn't get three-stocked. ADHD is one of the TOP players in the world right now so honestly he SHOULD have beaten Eazy with way more room to spare, so to say. I'm really failing at english right now because I have to capitalize all my words I need accented LOLOL. Maybe the "strange" should become the "norm" temepered with some of the established DiddyVS Marth traditional knowledge.

Maybe ADHD was sandbagging or something lol xD. If it was "oh he's having a bad day" then we need to exploit that and make every day a bad day for Naner yielding players everywhere!!

- dtilting a diddys shield is fine, unless he has a naner... don't do that, 3 frame oos throw is pretty stupid

-Agreed. I think it's 1frame though. I remember NEO asking Diddy boards that, and them saying it's 1-frame OOS. (when I was lurking his posts to work on the "Neo's Wisdom" thread)

- if you get a naner, just hold on to it, and use z drop fairs or dancing blade until you see an opening
-adhd sux cp him to rc, even though he beat m2k on it so he may have gotten better
-something P1 told me, if a diddy ever hits you with monkey flip kick thing you can just up b and hit him at low/mid percents

-Good **** I'll remember that.

(these tips are player-1 approved)

 

[Eazy23]

^^
I deal with people crying over my tipper placement all of the time. It is something I practice and am now very good at.

For anyone who watches this match and decides to post negatively I will say this once,

I am not Neo, I am not trying to be. I am trying to be better. If all you want are vids of "names" you are a groupie. Groupies get better very very slowly, and usually remain groupies until they quit the game. My skill level is what it is regardless of how you see it, and that is the truth. When I am destroying people you thought could not be beaten, please don't ever IM me for help, or post with your mouth by my balls. I will remember you and laugh.

But about my playstyle being weird. I will camp diddy or any character for that matter when I need to get my head together. I choose when I'm going to approach, not him. Nanas dont travel 32434 mph, and peanuts arent that scary. When I have momentum I have it, but this game is not based on real pressure, but only pseudo pressure that helps you make really good guesses.

I made alot of mistakes trying to follow up 2 much, when I should have just walked away and reset to neutral. Whatever made the marth boards think they can't run away from anyone whenever they want to should be erased and destroyed. Stop giving up wins because you want to " look" like you know what marth should do. If its not comfortable, do something different.

 

[Player-3]

adhd is a marth virgin

not used to long swords

oh and albert

its still ****ing ridiculous be it 1 or 3 frames

 

[GPEternity]

i don't the second statement can possibly be true with the existence of MK.

 

[cenel]

okay then, u guys can expect some new threads pretty soon

Kankerlijer misgunnen

As well as Mr R, I really don't think this thread serves any purpose.

The match against Keitaro was just lulzy and general discussion material.

The match against ADHD doesn't show a lot of skill on Eazy's part, he does a lot of awfully stupid things and the only reason he came close to winning is because of a rather silly tipper, and ADHD pretty much gimping himself. 'Oh mah gawd but it's ADHD', give me a break everyone does bad at times.

No offense to you Eazy, but you're in no way close to a really good player

Waarom zo hard? kklijers jullie

Good **** vs that falco eazy

 

[Albert.]

It's like he's typing in a whole other language^^^

 

[Steel]

As well as Mr R, I really don't think this thread serves any purpose.

The match against Keitaro was just lulzy and general discussion material.

The match against ADHD doesn't show a lot of skill on Eazy's part, he does a lot of awfully stupid things and the only reason he came close to winning is because of a rather silly tipper, and ADHD pretty much gimping himself. 'Oh mah gawd but it's ADHD', give me a break everyone does bad at times.

No offense to you Eazy, but you're in no way close to a really good player

ahahahahahhah

 

[cenel]

It's dutch im basically telling them why are they being *******s. While they are really nice guys IRL

 

[Fizzle]

^^
I am not Neo, I am not trying to be. I am trying to be better. If all you want are vids of "names" you are a groupie. Groupies get better very very slowly, and usually remain groupies until they quit the game. My skill level is what it is regardless of how you see it, and that is the truth. When I am destroying people you thought could not be beaten, please don't ever IM me for help, or post with your mouth by my balls. I will remember you and laugh.

Wow, good ****. This is how all Marth mains should act. Instead of whining about matchups and posting random **** in the MGD, you should all be practicing and improving your game.

If you watch old vids of guys like Eazy, Pierce, and Junk, you see just how much they've stepped it up. Good ****.

*goes back to training mode*

 

[Mr-R]

WHAT my first post was regarding that falco combo not the match against ADHD!!!
if that was how the thread looked like at the start i'd have no problems with it xD
oh and impressive **** getting ADHD to last stock high % in a tourney match o.O
I also lolled at how everyone is making excuses for why eazy got him to last stock, maybe he's just IDK good ?
cause u cant really 2 stock one of the best marths ( neo ) if u dont know the match up.

chairs hate thread is too good btw hahaha

 

[Shaya]

Jesus christ guys.

DIDDY'S BANANA OUT OF SHIELD IS NOT THREE FRAMES,
WHO EVER HAS BEEN FEEDING YOU THIS CRAP FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS IS A BIG MOTHER ****ING LIAR.

IT'S SEVEN FRAMES FOR FORWARD THROW

 

[Player-3]

Jesus christ guys.

DIDDY'S BANANA OUT OF SHIELD IS NOT THREE FRAMES,
WHO EVER HAS BEEN FEEDING YOU THIS CRAP FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS IS A BIG MOTHER ****ING LIAR.

IT'S SEVEN FRAMES FOR FORWARD THROW

oh

well they told me that on the diddy boards

|:<

so did they lie about my adoption too?

 

[Shaya]

"Three frames"

could have come from early frame data where people forgot that the game was 60fps and not 30 (which most/all recording equipment can only do).

I believe the Peach boards had this **** up as well, believing their Jab was 1 frame. From what I recall, they also believe their forward throw item is 3 frames, even though it's 8.

 

[Eazy23]

ROFL Shaya you are a frame beast. A frame crusader it seems.

 

[Lord Chair]

Kudos to Shaya.

Also, dayum at Chair hatin' haha.

 

[Megavitamins]

Hi eazy ;D

u going to paradigims tommorow? i wanna get some more marth dittos in lol

 

[ADHD]

It is 3 frames, it has to be. Diddy has so much time to punish Mk's downsmash (and it's fairly lagless.) I think you meant that the glide toss forward is 7 frames? There's no way it's slower than a standard jab hitbox.

Also, if snake's first ftilt hit makes contact with our shield we have enough time to throw it in between before the second hit occurs, no matter how fast he initiates it.

 

[Zankoku]

MK's dsmash can be punished out of shield with Marth sh fair. And that's a lot slower than three frames. Hell, shielding the first hit of MK's dsmash at a certain range allows you to unshield tipper fsmash.

 

[Shaya]

You have 18 frames to punish MK's dsmash on shield (front hit) IIRC.

Marth can dolphin slash inbetween Snake's individual hits on shield as well (which is 5 frames).
Dedede can shield grab it if he's close enough, which is 6 frames.

Shield drop to jab would definitely be slower than a banana throw out of shield,
considering that a shield drop is 7 frames in itself.

Glide tosses add 1-4 frames to that, based on when you cancel the roll (you can only cancel your roll into a glide toss frames 1-4 of it).

So you could have a glide toss forward come out in 8 frames.

If you want any clarifications on the frame datas ADHD don't be afraid to ask,
all the Marths have been, I'm sure they wont mind me returning the favour :3

 

[GPEternity]

Doesn't marth have invincibility on the first hit frame? wouldn't that mean it doesn't matter if an attack comes out faster if marth is invincible?

 

[ADHD]

You have 18 frames to punish MK's dsmash on shield (front hit) IIRC.

Marth can dolphin slash inbetween Snake's individual hits on shield as well (which is 5 frames).
Dedede can shield grab it if he's close enough, which is 6 frames.

Shield drop to jab would definitely be slower than a banana throw out of shield,
considering that a shield drop is 7 frames in itself.

Glide tosses add 1-4 frames to that, based on when you cancel the roll (you can only cancel your roll into a glide toss frames 1-4 of it).

So you could have a glide toss forward come out in 8 frames.

If you want any clarifications on the frame datas ADHD don't be afraid to ask,
all the Marths have been, I'm sure they wont mind me returning the favour :3

I'd like you to clarify that it's not 3 frames or show evidence because I'd personally really love to know.

 

[Mr-R]

So when u land a fair on diddy's shield ( when hes holding a nana ) u can always side b after without getting punished RIGHT ?

 

[Lord Chair]

So when u land a fair on diddy's shield ( when hes holding a nana ) u can always side b after without getting punished RIGHT ?

Nontipper FF advantage is -4. DB is frame 4 so you'll have '-8'.

Nana is frame 7 (apparently) and ignores shielddrop frames.

So no. You can, however, FF fair > upB like you can against shieldgrabs.

 

[Shaya]

I'd like you to clarify that it's not 3 frames or show evidence because I'd personally really love to know.

Okay then.

Start (let's call it Frame Zero of the forward banana throw out of shield)

Frame 1

Frame 2

Frame 3

Frame 4

Frame 5

Frame 6

Frame 7

Frame 8 (when someone gets hit)

Marth can fast fall fair on Diddy's shield (if he perfectly lands) and 'clash' [you get tripped by banana, diddy gets hit) with db1 or jab if he's not directly next to diddy (i.e. reasonable spacing).

http://img163.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=nanathrow0000layer8.jpg

Even though in the pictures here, Diddy gets hit on frame 8, he can be hit from frame 7.
So if you hit someones shield with banana on frame 7 from a forward thrown one:

Hit: 7
End: 20
Shield Stun + Hit lag: 6
Advantage: -7

Kapish.

Anyone else have any frame data questions at this very moment before I destroy my wii?

 

[Toby.]

better than myth busters.

 

[Lord Chair]

better than myth busters.

Yet somehow worse than Top Gear.

Oh wait, where am I.

 

[KillL0ck]

god **** i luv u shaya

 

[Pierce7d]

This is why I refer to Shaya directly when I have frame questions.

Also, LULz at thinking Eazy isn't a competant Marth. I hope you Europeans are coming for Pound.

 

[Lord Chair]

This is why I refer to Shaya directly when I have frame questions.

Also, LULz at thinking Eazy isn't a competant Marth. I hope you Europeans are coming for Pound.

Not too many, I'll be at Apex though.

 

[Pierce7d]

Not too many, I'll be at Apex though.

Excellent, I'm co-hosting, so it will be wonderful to meet you there. It's in Eazy's state as well as my own, so I'm sure he'll be able to meet you as well.

 

[cenel]

This is why I refer to Shaya directly when I have frame questions.

Also, LULz at thinking Eazy isn't a competant Marth. I hope you Europeans are coming for Pound.

There's no1 comming for brawl for pound from eu.