East Midlands tournament and social thread

[K.Mac]

Trains suck.

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[Anaky]

Am i booking Myself, Calz and You for SmashGT K.Mac? Or u guys booking urself?

 

[K.Mac]

Book me plox.

Less hassle.

 

[Tamoo]

I use the trains all the time and I manage to find ways to keep costs down :/

 

[K.Mac]

I live in the chav capital of england and there's only two train platforms. lol. I don't have much of a choice in what I have to pay to get out of the **** place.

=/ public transport fail. I actually spent less getting around london than I do getting around town. LOL.

 

[Smudge]

I need to start thinking about getting a railcard or something,

I might try and make it to GT2 to be honest,

Just out of curiosity, if I held a Brawl and Melee tournament in Congleton, who would come down?

 

[The Filth]

Dooan, you've let the EM down. If I can make it surely you can make it too.

considering you managed it on £40 last time... I mean wut. I spend more getting to/from andy's >_>

Get out.

I managed on 40 quid last time yes. This time I doubt I have as much as 20. That wont even get me round on the tube for 2-3 days, let alone food OR the coach to even get anywhere near london.

Plus I don't think I'll go down again, that BO1 **** really... not so much pissed me off, but disappointed me. Only part I enjoyed was the bit which wasn't the tourney =[

 

[Smudge]

HE'S NOT EM!!!!!

he's a NW homeboi, like me and the Cheadle lot, You will never have him/

 

[The Filth]

I need to start thinking about getting a railcard or something,

I might try and make it to GT2 to be honest,

Just out of curiosity, if I held a Brawl and Melee tournament in Congleton, who would come down?

I'd come and win it for you :3

Also yesz, I'm NORTHWEST people, EM stop claiming me. I know I'm a pimp, but really.

 

[K.Mac]

I need to start thinking about getting a railcard or something,

I might try and make it to GT2 to be honest,

Just out of curiosity, if I held a Brawl and Melee tournament in Congleton, who would come down?

Depends when and how much it costs me for travel. I'm currently skint and need to save up for Trio's fest next week and for SmashGT2.

considering I usually only have like £20 a week spare to actually save, it's gonna take freaking forever to get the money. -.- but I'm pretty sure it's possible to save up £40 within 1.5 months man O_o

and smudge, go to smashGT. gay D3 dittos -insert pedoface here.-

EM > NW. we have calz, willz, and THE KMAC SD! get *****.

 

[The Filth]

Smudge hates king dittos as much as I do, so I doubt he'd agree to it :D

Dittos are about as serious as teams to me.

 

[Jolteon]

i dont get why so many people in the uk dont take dittos seriously or see them as uncompetitive or w/e.

50/50 match-up=bad?

 

[The_Rake]

Hey brad/will/cal to make things easier for travelling to gt2 what are the chances of me and yen getting housed at one of yours on the friday?

 

[The Filth]

i dont get why so many people in the uk dont take dittos seriously or see them as uncompetitive or w/e.

50/50 match-up=bad?

Some dittos, sure. but when you get like, a falco or a D3 ditto it's kind of hard to take seriously. :3

 

[Jolteon]

Ok, it might be dull, but its not like they take no skill since it is an even match-up >__>

 

[The_Rake]

lol, just really who gets the grabs first


Infact when you thik about it (i mean really thik about it) dittos don't tend to mean that much. How much time you you take to think how to beat your main, especially when your main is not a top tier like snake, d3 or falco. If you think of someone like lucario (myself as an example), i fail so much in lucario dittos because everyone i play has lucario experience but i don't because no one plays him

Thing is as well, dittos is all about who can alter their playing style enough to beat their character. Eg, tlink. Lets say one tlink plays another, one of them is phenominal at spam and the other is better at close range. these 2 will fare differently against say a ROB (the close range guy probably doing better) but the spammer will most likely win the ditto

 

[Jolteon]

lol, just really who gets the grabs first

Falco and D3 have a plethora of useful moves to stop the opponent from getting a grab, but this obviously takes skill, as does getting a grab, hence my point.

Infact when you thik about it (i mean really thik about it) dittos don't tend to mean that much.

I'm thinking; and I disagree.

How much time you you take to think how to beat your main, especially when your main is not a top tier like snake, d3 or falco.

If you plan to win, how is it not just as important as learning another match-up?

If you think of someone like lucario (myself as an example), i fail so much in lucario dittos because everyone i play has lucario experience but i don't because no one plays him

Right; and lack of match-up experience means you're not as skilled as you otherwise would be (this also goes for all match-ups).

Thing is as well, dittos is all about who can alter their playing style enough to beat their character.

Adaption is a key part of playing ANYONE.

Eg, tlink. Lets say one tlink plays another, one of them is phenominal at spam and the other is better at close range. these 2 will fare differently against say a ROB (the close range guy probably doing better) but the spammer will most likely win the ditto

If the spammer fails to adapt vs the ROB player he is likely not good enough to win on a high scale, ditto for the "close combat" style TL in a ditto.

 

[K.Mac]

I cna't believe Alex just took Rake's post apart like that.

Dittos are very strange matches. I mean, let's put it this way:

My yoshi is pretty **** on Brawl, for what tier he is.

My Yoshi can 3 stock Calz' friend, Swithe and his Lucas.
My Yoshi goes about even with his Kirby
My Yoshi loses to his Yoshi in dittos, because his playstyle is different to mine and thus I can't space him properly.

I'm not saying that they must be taken seriously or they must be seen as jokes, it's just that they're awkward. For me, I main MK yet in MK dittos I get annihilated simply because I still don't know how to deal with another MK to a certain degree. I do better against Calz' snake than I do his MK because of this, even though his MK is trash, but I can go fairly even (ish) with his Marth despite his Marth being way better than his MK.

What does that say?

Probably doesn't make much sense, that's probably what. It's just my random opinion.


btw.

I need to learn to fight ROBs and diddys. I absolutely suck against them. it's not like I don't have MU experience, it's just that their playstyles are strange. Maybe that's why dittos are considered strange; trying to fight a player who almost certainly uses the EXACT same tactics or does something that normally wouldn't work, yet somehow does in a ditto.

D3 dittos are silly though, I admit that. It's almost literally about who gets the grab. I know D3 has a lot of means to grab-dodge, but he also has a god**** WOP which makes recovering suck (since he's so ****ing huge and slow in the air). =/

My response LOL. random.

 

[Calzum!]

, EM stop claiming me.

One Of Us One Of Us One Of Us



Smash is gay

/Discuss

 

[The_Rake]

The best dittos are Ganon Utilt/NeutB only ones sooooo pro

Ok Alex, some of your points, fair enough, adaptation and all that. some people are simply better at adapting than others. Eg, Brad says he goes even against willz but does far worse than him in tournies. To me that says that will is better at adapting himself than brad. I concede that it's always a bit different when friends play each other, after all they know each other playstiles inside out which means that some people do better in those circumstances.

 

[Jolteon]

The best dittos are Ganon Utilt/NeutB only ones sooooo pro

Ok Alex, some of your points, fair enough, adaptation and all that. some people are simply better at adapting than others. Eg, Brad says he goes even against willz but does far worse than him in tournies. To me that says that will is better at adapting himself than brad. I concede that it's always a bit different when friends play each other, after all they know each other playstiles inside out which means that some people do better in those circumstances.

You took the words right out of my mouth with the "friends playing each other to know playstyles inside out" bit, that's what I was going to say to respond to your other point.

Also the problem with a lot these arguments is that Inui logic is used... i.e. player A beats player B who can beat player C, therefore player A>B>C(which is disproven so much).

 

[Smudge]

Smudge hates king dittos as much as I do, so I doubt he'd agree to it :D

Dittos are about as serious as teams to me.

I King must defend his Crown, even if it under terms he is not agreeable to

But I'm skint man, lost my job last month and nothings coming up, I won't be making GT2 without a miracle in the next week.

@Jolteon/The_Rake.: I don't hate D3 ditto because I can't do them, I know the match up well and it's not too dull, it;s just the match up is ********, it's not even at all, it's 50:75 ********, there is nothing you can do to anticipate the opponent, D3 has an epic arsenal of thing to do as an approach, + Chaingrabbing, plus the fact you can rethrow your opponents projectiles that miss as your own at a quicker rate. Its ridiculous.

 

[Jolteon]

Right, naturally you're entitled to dislike them. It's just the "not taking them serious" part where it gets ridiculous, since it's just as necessary to learn as any other match-up.

And regardless of how random you may think it is, it's still even.

 

[The_Rake]

Don't you mean to end with "therefore A>C" but i get your point and all of that means nothing, i agree entirely

 

[Jolteon]

Well, naturally A>B>C would also suggest that A>C.

 

[K.Mac]

It's not even if one player is just outright better at baiting grabs than the other.

 

[Jolteon]

But then that's player skill, not the match-up.

 

[Bullet Bill]

dittos are just another matchup that you need to learn

 

[The_Rake]

Well, naturally A>B>C would also suggest that A>C.

Obviously, but we're talking about ridiculous ideas here. so if C beat A then we'd have this crazy A>B>C>A thing going on. where would we be then?

Dayum, i wanna pick up a new character, its between 2 of em, i just need to decide which i prefer to use. Basicly luigi has been pretty much dropped entirely from tourny use now (i only used him in one tourney anyway)

 

[Jolteon]

Obviously, but we're talking about ridiculous ideas here. so if C beat A then we'd have this crazy A>B>C>A thing going on. where would we be then?

Dayum, i wanna pick up a new character, its between 2 of em, i just need to decide which i prefer to use. Basicly luigi has been pretty much dropped entirely from tourny use now (i only used him in one tourney anyway)

That's the thing, there's no loop like that. Inui logic suggests that if player A beats player B, and player B beats player C that:

Player A will be better than player C.
and
Player A will beat player C.

Also, think about it numerically. Give them "skill values", how is A>B>C>A possible then? >_> Therefore in that case, A>B>C would suggest A>C.

 

[Tamoo]

oli dittos

heaven

soooo many pretty colours

 

[The_Rake]

That's the thing, there's no loop like that. Inui logic suggests that if player A beats player B, and player B beats player C that:

Player A will be better than player C.
and
Player A will beat player C.

Also, think about it numerically. Give them "skill values", how is A>B>C>A possible then? >_> Therefore in that case, A>B>C would suggest A>C.

It's not s simple as applying skill values though. if it was a case each letter represents a number we wouldn't be having this discussion. Those 'values' are represented by letters because this discussion isn't as simple as 3>2>1. Each other those 'players' plays differently against the other players and under different circumstances. To add to this as well stage choice comes in there too, we're getting freaky *** crazy here now. Lets assume all of the players are exact equal in skill but each ones plays better onone the 3 main neutrals (A on FD B on BF and C on SV) Which stage is played on will alter the results because each of those players knows how to make their prefered stage work to their advantage.

Lets just forget that everyone should know how to play smashville considering whenever you stage strike SV is always left (as dooan proved at trios when he watched me stage strike with 3 different people, and this was with the 5 neutrals too, and result in SV every time

 

[Tamoo]

i always strike that ****, don't want any moving stages thx

I always end up playing on fd or bf

 

[The_Rake]

Peronally i always tend to strike BF and Lylat cruise, i prefer fd and yoshis, hate multi platform stages, although i will consider lylat with toon link depending on who i'm against, the stage can give you a dsmash gimp so easily

 

[Jolteon]

It's not s simple as applying skill values though. if it was a case each letter represents a number we wouldn't be having this discussion. Those 'values' are represented by letters because this discussion isn't as simple as 3>2>1.

True, but that's how Inui logic works, so that's how I represented it.

Each other those 'players' plays differently against the other players and under different circumstances. To add to this as well stage choice comes in there too, we're getting freaky *** crazy here now. Lets assume all of the players are exact equal in skill but each ones plays better onone the 3 main neutrals (A on FD B on BF and C on SV) Which stage is played on will alter the results because each of those players knows how to make their prefered stage work to their advantage.

I agree that other factors greatly vary the results, it's not as clear cut as A>B>C.

Lets just forget that everyone should know how to play smashville considering whenever you stage strike SV is always left (as dooan proved at trios when he watched me stage strike with 3 different people, and this was with the 5 neutrals too, and result in SV every time

Ok.

 

[Smudge]

At what point did I say they we're not to be taken seriously? every match in a tournament is.

What I think was meant by "They don't mean anything" is that if D3 player A beats D3 player B, It doesn't make D3 player A a better D3 player overall, just that he was beater in that match.

I mean, I don't think I've ever won a D3 ditto, I've lost to D3's that haven't even entered a tournament, yet I've placed top 8 in countless tournaments, top 4 in some and even won a few, does that make the guy who's not entered any tournaments better than me? no, not at all.

 

[Anaky]

I hate stupid stage striking lol, every1 bans Battlefield and Lylat xD.

Those are my 2 main cp's, obviously yes cuz im a Marth main.

FD or SV if im using Link cuz i can jsut spam them lolol.

 

[Anaky]

I Wanna Blue Name Cuz Ive Hosted A Tournament.

 

[K.Mac]

At what point did I say they we're not to be taken seriously? every match in a tournament is.

What I think was meant by "They don't mean anything" is that if D3 player A beats D3 player B, It doesn't make D3 player A a better D3 player overall, just that he was beater in that match.

I mean, I don't think I've ever won a D3 ditto, I've lost to D3's that haven't even entered a tournament, yet I've placed top 8 in countless tournaments, top 4 in some and even won a few, does that make the guy who's not entered any tournaments better than me? no, not at all.

That's exactly what I was getting at.

Dooan is a way better D3 than me, yet when I had a ditto with him, I won - simply because I got the first grab.

Now... Ganon dittos. THOSE are silly.

Lets just forget that everyone should know how to play smashville considering whenever you stage strike SV is always left (as dooan proved at trios when he watched me stage strike with 3 different people, and this was with the 5 neutrals too, and result in SV every time

Hahaha, me and my cousin always end up on smashville.

Me: I ban FD because Falco can just camp
Him: I ban BF because you know how to use the platforms for combos. (john response imo)
Me: I ban Lylat because it moves and it makes recovering suck.
Him: I ban Yoshi because I hate the ghosts.
......
yup. SV is the best stage in the game, sons.

 

[Anaky]

Smashville is probz the best stage yeah, although i myself prefer Battlefield and Lylat with Marth bcuz i can do more.