Doomsday Partical Accelerator (LHC thread)

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Are we ownt?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/30/doomsdaycollider.ap/index.html


Basically, a super accelerator will throw particles together, and the idea of death is something will happen to the particles, creating a strangelet, a particle so dense it'll suck everything, even light, into itself. All other particles sucked into it will then become strangelets themselves, eventually spawning a blackhole.

"The physicist Martin Rees has estimated the chance of an accelerator producing a global catastrophe at one in 50 million -- long odds, to be sure, but about the same as winning some lotteries."

Any thoughts?

 

[Mic_128]

Didn't they already do the experiment ages ago, or was that just something similar?

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

PWN'd

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

something similar. They've been doing this sort of thing for awhile now, it's just that this one is of a much more grander scale, and then its 7 times more powerful then any other experiment ever performed. Plus, scientists know a lot more about about what to fool around with now.

 

[GoldShadow]

I seriously doubt any planetary harm will come from this. Ideally, it'll help us understand more about our universe.

 

[Rampage]

Obviously they're all just dividing by zero and hoping something interesting will happen

 

[Crimson King]

Well, the fear is that we'll create a black hole by accident. Really, it's an unfounded fear. We'll be quite fine.

 

[zrky]

If we create a black hole in our planet, then we are screwed. Somewhere I heard that there is like a mini Wormhole in Earth awlready (connecting the Mariana Trench and a trench of the coast of Japan), if this can be proven true then more knowledge of our universe would literaly be under our feat.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

If we create a black hole in our planet, then we are screwed. Somewhere I heard that there is like a mini Wormhole in Earth awlready (connecting the Mariana Trench and a trench of the coast of Japan), if this can be proven true then more knowledge of our universe would literaly be under our feat.

Source? I wanna hear more about that...

 

[Kitten]

I'm pretty sure scientists have ruled out it even being possible that a black hole created by a particle accelerator would ever sustain itself for more than a split second.

 

[Eor]

This is nothing but crazy people with irrational fear

 

[zrky]

Source? I wanna hear more about that...

Dicovery channel or history channel can't remember which

 

[Pluvia's other account]

The Black Hole wouldn't be able to sustain itself.

Maybe something cool will happen though. Maybe it'll kill all the scientists nearby, or maybe it'll open a gateway to another dimension or something.

Now that would be cool.

 

[Kitten]

This is nothing but crazy people with irrational fear

And if we're wrong, at least no one will be around to rub it in our faces.

 

[Goldberg]

Wouldn't Hawking Radiation prevent the end of the world in that case? (If it is accurate enough of course).

I think it states that a microscopic Black Hole would have an incredibly short life-span, emiting more energy than it absorbs.

 

[zrky]

yes, but a black hole will have (in theory) enough gravity to rip appert whatever it comes close to. If it's microscopic, them it could rip a hill or a house, maybe a skyscraper but not the world.

 

[AltF4]

We're all quite safe.


But despite that, I'm throwing a big "End of the World Party" the night before the LHC gets turned on! Come on! How often would you get the opportunity to have an end of the world party? It's going to be awesome.

yes, but a black hole will have (in theory) enough gravity to rip appert whatever it comes close to. If it's microscopic, them it could rip a hill or a house, maybe a skyscraper but not the world.

No, the black hole would keep growing in size as it consumes more mater, very quickly demolishing the planet and likely solar system.

However, if it starts out small enough (like the ones we're talking about) it will evaporate through Hawking Radiadion long before it does much of anything.

 

[Crimson King]

I've been to three end of the world parties...

Hurricanes can be pretty bad, so we celebrate our impending doom.

 

[slave1]

this sounds like a really cool thing. cant wait till it comes on.

 

[SuperRacoon]

Every physicist dreams of breaking the laws of physics : )

The Idea is that if we understand the way the universe works on it's most smallest simplest particles, then by extension we can understand the universe as a whole.

 

[zrky]

Every physicist dreams of breaking the laws of physics : )

The Idea is that if we understand the way the universe works on it's most smallest simplest particles, then by extension we can understand the universe as a whole.

Yea, but that's if physics worked

Supposedly dark matter which was recently discovered, is supposed to hold the answer to all our questions about the Universe. The only problem (although being worked on) is how to create dark matter.

 

[WoapGang]

If that thing take my Whopper...I will be EXTREMELY upset.

 

[Sporkman]

Thought it was called the Large Hardon Collider for a while there.

It's always experiments like this that lead to demons from Hell invading Earth

We're doomed!

 

[Brav3r]

colliding protons at high speeds to see what they are made of
how fun lol

 

[Kitten]

Thought it was called the Large Hardon Collider for a while there.

It's always experiments like this that lead to demons from Hell invading Earth

We're doomed!

Maybe not death so much as just a half life.

 

[TheKruskinator]

Prepare... for unforseen... Con...se...quences...


In all seriousness, nothing bad is going to happen.

 

[Eor]

Until the zombies come, of course

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I read about this a while ago, anyway, it all seems like a whole lot of uneducated craziness, although it is a good reason for a party I guess....
also, it will take weeks to power the thing up completely(maybe more), so, you could have a very lengthy end of the world party.
Speaking of end of the world, secret ending to the original Halo anyone?

 

[SuperRacoon]

When you clear the game on legendary you get to watch the following.

Johnson is fighting with an elite over an assault rifle.
The Pillar of Autumn is seen exploding in the background.
"This is it" "hold me" Says Johnson
Sgt. Johnson and the Elite Hug
The Elite moves his hand down.

Edit,

Here's the vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seslndgmBEE

 

[Red Hawk One]

The probability of this actually destroying the world is very small, but it still exists. For that reason, I have trouble beleiving that it would ever go into operation, as it would likely receive large political and public condemnation if someone decided to publicize the possible consequences. If it does start up the negative side effects would probably be trumped by the knowledge we gain from it. If not, then they should have listened to the nay-sayers

And if it is a doomsday machine? I hope some scientist with a crowbar saves us.

 

[Eor]

It's being started up incredibly soon, and there was already a wave of protest against it.

 

[SuperRacoon]

The only problem that I have with it, is that it dumps a lot of money into a project that will provide us with knowledge that is completely useless until we have functional and independent space colonies, and even then it's application is still gonna be painfully limited for another thousand years or so.

 

[GoldShadow]

It's not always about how we can apply it directly, it's about understanding our universe and its behavior, a worthy endeavor!

 

[Tomkraven]

Guys , we dont need a doomsday partical accelerator... we have already created a self-sustained paradox that could destroy time and space continuity down in the lucario boards... look for the lucario chat room if u are interested

 

[SacredThunder]

he just has to try it fifty million times. even then, still probably won't happen. who knows though

 

[chaos_Leader]

The only problem that I have with it, is that it dumps a lot of money into a project that will provide us with knowledge that is completely useless until we have functional and independent space colonies, and even then it's application is still gonna be painfully limited for another thousand years or so.

Similar arguments were made about a little thing called the cathode-ray tube, You know what that became? The almighty TV set.

a particle accelerator isn't going to do any more harm to the planet than has already been done tunneling out the cavity to hold it. It only accelerates tiny tiny tiny tiny subatomic particles, possibly a helium nucleus at the largest. A single helium nucleus traveling nearly at the speed of light will hardly cause any damage outside of the other particle it is aimed at. It's just the media taking advantage of the lack of scientific knowledge among so many people to sell a story.

 

[SuperRacoon]

The particle Accelerator is substantially more expensive then a cathode ray tube was (respectively) The Cathode Ray tube was the exception not the rule, the truth is a vast majority of "new breakthrough" are just are in no way feasible with current equipment, and usually its because the cost of creation, greatly out ways the return in value, and there is little hope for making it cheaper.

Did you know that there were electric cars early in the 1920s? (visit http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarselectrica.htm)
They were available along side combustion engines, but at the time they were completely unreasonable, the batteries didn't last long they were dangerous and gas was way cheaper.
But now the idea of an electric powered car is a possible solution to gas guzzling vehicles, what I was mostly saying was that, this is in no way practical, I could be wrong, but it's not likely.

 

[Sporkman]

Two more days lads.

Until the zombies come, of course

Personally, I think we should get everybody in a 10 mile radius to dress as zombies for when the scientists come to present their findings.

To be honest I think the worst that can happen from this is that everyone will wake up with mad hair.

 

[M@v]

whoa, necro post. Really? I thought this happened like in early august.

P.s this thread reminded me of a doomsday by nuclear annihilation dream I had last night. They are always fun

 

[Azua]

I'm pretty sure scientists have ruled out it even being possible that a black hole created by a particle accelerator would ever sustain itself for more than a split second.

Somehow I feel this needs to be repeated.



This is especially interesting for me, being a physics nerd and all.