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recover lower so that you snap to the ledge at the end. Ledge snap is very forgiving and can save you from potential edgeguards. Do it right and 95% of grounded edgeguard attempts won't touch you unless they hit you in the two frame window during your snap.
Little Mac's Up B is frustrating in the regards that it will never snap to the ledge. I'm certain you probably know what this is, but in case you don't, snapping to the ledge is when you immediately grab the ledge after an Up B and do not continue the attack. Mac's won't do this, and its dangerous to use his Up B in general due to its irritatingly low range. The best thing to do is to recover slightly lower than normal to the point where, at the end of the attack, the final hitbox whacks opponents charging smash attacks right at the ledge and you snap straight to it. That, or just use Side B as recovery instead.
You just have to practice it, it is inportant to position yourself when off stage. Sometimes you have to intentionally fall futher down in order to sweetspot the ledge. Just go to final destination, and run of stage and recover intil you have a feel for it. Of course this is harder when there is an actual opponent trying to gimp you. On stages that have a lip, it is always safer to go under it and recover there if you can. (Battlefield/Most FDs)
earla
idk if any macs actually have the tools to calculate frame advantage like that. i agree though, it would be very useful.
earla
for your viewing pleasure, the shield disadvantage chart:
yeah, basically if you hit a shield and they were expecting it (ie. they're buffering something), you get punished. but, before i made this chart, i was wondering why properly spaced uptilt on shield feels so safe. now i know that if they choose a shield-drop option, at best they only have 4-7 frames to punish, which is only possible if they buffer an option that is quicker than 4 frames and they have perfect execution (near-impossible on wifi). which is why they will often choose to roll away if they don't choose to grab.
To name a few:
buffer a jab or spotdodge after any of those options to increase safety.
Granted that battlefield is smaler i terms of width, it does not give the same rom for spacing. This means that you are most likely going to be close to your opponent most of the time, not that mac minds this to much. When it comes to pressuring on platforms, mac`s up-smash covers the lower platforms while you can poke with up-air on the top platform. You can also use macs aerials seeing how they all auto cancel on short hop, with the exseption of up-air. He also has a few jab lock setups using the platforms, down-throw, and up tilt these being really hard to tech due to the low arc of the moves. The platforms can also help you land. Most oppnents asume you are going to land on the first surface you hit, you can be smart about this and just pass through the platforms. The stage being smaler makes it easier to reteat to the ledge when in the air as well. All of this can be applied for dreamland as well.
Its not exactly a conventional way, but defenetly a great mixupp. Even if you don`t hit them there is a good chance you will ledge trump them. Then you can just go on stage and down smash. But it can be very unsafe so be careful when and how you use it.
This works around mid-low skill level players because many higher skill players will react faster than you can Side B. For example, since Jolt Haymaker is Frame 9 at its earliest, Sheik can hit Mac before he can activate it AT ITS EARLIEST with BAir, being a Frame 4 attack. Scary stuff, but it works if they double grab the ledge.
while you're technically correct, it's not the 9 frame startup of mac's sideB that makes sheik's bair dangerous to the sideB-to-ledge. no one can actually react that fast IRL (average reaction time is something like 12 frames; a few frames less if you're pro). it's the fact that mac running off the stage is incredibly telegraphed. there will be something like 20-40 frames (of running off the stage and turning around to sideB) before the hitbox comes out, which is a lot of time to react. mac rarely goes airborne/offstage, so if it's not a surprise to your opponent, you just put yourself in a terrible, terrible position.
Again why I said it only works against low-mid skill level players, as in they have a much less fast reaction to seeing it. Not that they don't have that fast of a reaction time, its that usually they won't expect it and will probably just do what they've always done due to them having only an average amount of skill.
1.spaced dtilt and jabs are also nice, jab jab to grab or dtilt to grab is a nice mixup, and jab-dtilt-Down angled fsmash breaks shields. also, spaced dtilt, DFsmash, backside of utilt are safe on shield.
jet56
Gonna try to be funny and not rude here, but when do you see boxers just jumping upwards, doing a twirling punch in the air, and expect that to knock away an opponent? Not really. Sakurai made Little Mac pretty accurate to his actual origins, and having negative aerials is pretty good.I'm just trying to be optimistic and be open to ways of expanding Mac's punish game. I tried doing some of this stuff and it truly is really impractical. It just kind of sucks that Mac's normals don't balance out his weaknesses which is something I endeavored to alleviate. The only semi-practical stuff I can see for n-air is d-tilt n-air footstool at like 25%
I honestly think Mac's deserves some buffs, not that his position now will stop me from playing him, but it only makes sense that a boxer's hit should have advantage and certainly not disadvantage if blocked. I also think the knockback off his d-throw should be reduced as a slam should really force techs and not send them above your head. Fixing his diagonal facing blind spot will be good too. Just my thoughts at least. I feel like Mac, even fully optimized will struggle having longevity in the meta which is kinda disappointing. What do you think about Mac
TBH, i really don't try to look too much into the whole "boxer" comparison with mac in smash. he already does crazy stuff in this game, like Zoramine Fae said. maybe not buffs, but his nair, jab, ftilt, and side b were all nerfed by patch 1.0.4. his ftilt had absurd range at one point, his nair was positive on hit (meaning nair infinite and you can break out of combos much easier) his side b recovery had more range, and his gentlemen did 14% instead of 11, with multijab being stronger too. i may have missed a detail or two, but he was actually nerfed hard at one point. if they gave him even just half of that back, he would be much more viable (the side b and nair would help the most.)I'm just trying to be optimistic and be open to ways of expanding Mac's punish game. I tried doing some of this stuff and it truly is really impractical. It just kind of sucks that Mac's normals don't balance out his weaknesses which is something I endeavored to alleviate. The only semi-practical stuff I can see for n-air is d-tilt n-air footstool at like 25%
I honestly think Mac's deserves some buffs, not that his position now will stop me from playing him, but it only makes sense that a boxer's hit should have advantage and certainly not disadvantage if blocked. I also think the knockback off his d-throw should be reduced as a slam should really force techs and not send them above your head. Fixing his diagonal facing blind spot will be good too. Just my thoughts at least. I feel like Mac, even fully optimized will struggle having longevity in the meta which is kinda disappointing. What do you think about Mac
that's a huge problem for mac, and one that i have been trying to crack since i got plat camped the first time. in the video thread i've posted a lot about different tourney mac styles to deal with camping. i've gone through and compiled them below. i probably missed one or two, but the links below should give good insight as to what macs can do to fight the plat camp.
Hmm. Davio seems pretty good. I wonder if he's playing Mac as of the most recent patch.
He has always done this as far as i can remember.
Mighty thanks. Playing Little Mac the other & doing made me realize I never play the character, but I found that feature about his Usmash interesting. Cool then.
I have never-
Well this was the last patch, so i guess it will stay. i Have tired for a few days to replicate it, but i have had no luck. It has happened to me before, but i am not sure what causes it.
that...thing.. was discussed when the game first came out on 3ds. the hitbox of ko punch used to stay out even if the punch itself was complete. my guess is that it hasn't been patched out of the aerial ko punch (meaning, this won't kill unless you're above 135%ish)
thats from april 2015, im pretty sure that has been patched out already
1) spam nair to keep hitting them
