Do you want/expect one-shot Zelda characters? (Midna, Ghirahim, Champions, etc.)

[fogbadge]

for reason i think sakurai doesnt want to include any non link zelda ganon characters, be they major recurring characters or one shots

itd be nice to be proven wrong

 

[Quillion]

Sheik doesn't exist in Twilight Princess.

The issue is that Ganondorf was never planned for BotW to begin with. The Master Works book doesn't have any concept art for even a cyborg Ganondorf.

for reason i think sakurai doesnt want to include any non link zelda ganon characters, be they major recurring characters or one shots

itd be nice to be proven wrong

Maybe the major recurring characters like Tingle and Impa have a chance, but Tingle isn't exactly a combatant outside of Hyrule Warriors, and Impa is way too inconsistent between appearances to have a uniting portrayal. Yes, Ganondorf can be inconsistent, but at least he always has his magic and use of melee weapons.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

The issue is that Ganondorf was never planned for BotW to begin with. The Master Works book doesn't have any concept art for even a cyborg Ganondorf.



Maybe the major recurring characters like Tingle and Impa have a chance, but Tingle isn't exactly a combatant outside of Hyrule Warriors, and Impa is way too inconsistent between appearances to have a uniting portrayal. Yes, Ganondorf can be inconsistent, but at least he always has his magic and use of melee weapons.

doesn't mean they can't create one

 

[fogbadge]

The issue is that Ganondorf was never planned for BotW to begin with. The Master Works book doesn't have any concept art for even a cyborg Ganondorf.



Maybe the major recurring characters like Tingle and Impa have a chance, but Tingle isn't exactly a combatant outside of Hyrule Warriors, and Impa is way too inconsistent between appearances to have a uniting portrayal. Yes, Ganondorf can be inconsistent, but at least he always has his magic and use of melee weapons.

and lets not forget ganondorf was first included due to having a similar body type as falcon

 

[Quillion]

and lets not forget ganondorf was first included due to having a similar body type as falcon

What do you mean by this?

If you're bringing this up because Ganondorf's portrayal is "unfaithful", he still has all of the power he is portrayed with at his disposal, and no one objects to Mario not using his hammer nor Ness having only one bat move.

If you're bringing this up because you see Ganondorf as a technical "one shot" because of OoT and Melee, at least Ganondorf feels like an extension of the classic Ganon, having the dark magical abilities Ganon has always had.

 

[fogbadge]

What do you mean by this?

If you're bringing this up because Ganondorf's portrayal is "unfaithful", he still has all of the power he is portrayed with at his disposal, and no one objects to Mario not using his hammer nor Ness having only one bat move.

If you're bringing this up because you see Ganondorf as a technical "one shot" because of OoT and Melee, at least Ganondorf feels like an extension of the classic Ganon, having the dark magical abilities Ganon has always had.

what i mean by this is that ganondorf was included in melee for the purposes of roster padding chosen due to his similar body type as falcon hence why he's a clone

youre reading an awful lot in to what was just a musing about why he was included

who sees ganondorf as a one shot? especially as the one from orcarina of time is the same one in most games

 

[Ze Diglett]

No, to both. Most of Zelda's character lineup just doesn't interest me much, and any of the one-shots would likely have to be cut in the next game anyway due to just being irrelevant and not having the fan pull to make up for it. If we get a Champion in this upcoming Smash game, it will bode very badly for future character picks.

 

[Reila]

The Zelda series is perfectly represented as it is. That said, both Ghirahim and Midna are super cool characters and they would be cool in Smash.

 

[Quillion]

what i mean by this is that ganondorf was included in melee for the purposes of roster padding chosen due to his similar body type as falcon hence why he's a clone

youre reading an awful lot in to what was just a musing about why he was included

who sees ganondorf as a one shot? especially as the one from orcarina of time is the same one in most games

I mean, we were just talking about how Ganondorf was never meant to be in BotW to begin with, and I assumed you brought up the Falcondorf example because you're trying to convince others that Sakurai plays fast and loose with Zelda material. While, in fact Smash 64 and Melee both have quite a bit of Early Installment Weirdness in how they portray characters, and changing those characters in response to more recent games would, I assure you, anger more fans than they would please. People were pissed that Jill was changed from MvC2 to MvC3; now imagine that level of backlash x100; that's how much more powerful the Smash fandom is.

No, to both. Most of Zelda's character lineup just doesn't interest me much, and any of the one-shots would likely have to be cut in the next game anyway due to just being irrelevant and not having the fan pull to make up for it. If we get a Champion in this upcoming Smash game, it will bode very badly for future character picks.

The Zelda series is perfectly represented as it is. That said, both Ghirahim and Midna are super cool characters and they would be cool in Smash.

To be fair, parts of the Pokémon and Fire Emblem rosters are starting to fall into being irrelevant with no fan pull. When they were flavor of the month, people really liked Greninja, Robin, and Lucina. Nowadays, precisely NO ONE remembers them after ~4 years. It's all about Decidueye and the unknown FE Switch protagonist.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I mean, we were just talking about how Ganondorf was never meant to be in BotW to begin with, and I assumed you brought up the Falcondorf example because you're trying to convince others that Sakurai plays fast and loose with Zelda material. While, in fact Smash 64 and Melee both have quite a bit of Early Installment Weirdness in how they portray characters, and changing those characters in response to more recent games would, I assure you, anger more fans than they would please. People were pissed that Jill was changed from MvC2 to MvC3; now imagine that level of backlash x100; that's how much more powerful the Smash fandom is.





To be fair, parts of the Pokémon and Fire Emblem rosters are starting to fall into being irrelevant with no fan pull. When they were flavor of the month, people really liked Greninja, Robin, and Lucina. Nowadays, precisely NO ONE remembers them after ~4 years. It's all about Decidueye and the unknown FE Switch protagonist.

Uh, Robin and Lucina are both 2 of the most popular fire emblem characters, Lucina being the second most popular female after lyn and robin is in the top 10 for men. This retained popularity is likely in part due to smash, had roy never been in smash he probably wouldn't have been as popular as he is. Smash makes these characters forever relevant and popular.

 

[Quillion]

Smash makes these characters forever relevant and popular.

Not always. The contingents in support of characters as far back as Pichu and as recent as Dark Pit are meager. Even Wolf has a significant contingent in support of diverging his moveset away from the standard "Blaster, Forward Dash, Directional Dash, Reflector" moveset that Star Fox has solely relied on. Pichu and Dark Pit have nothing of the sort.

 

[Ze Diglett]

To be fair, parts of the Pokémon and Fire Emblem rosters are starting to fall into being irrelevant with no fan pull. When they were flavor of the month, people really liked Greninja, Robin, and Lucina. Nowadays, precisely NO ONE remembers them after ~4 years. It's all about Decidueye and the unknown FE Switch protagonist.

Umm... what? Lucina and Robin are still remarkably popular amongst the Fire Emblem fanbase (especially the former, from what I hear), and Greninja is not only still popular, but even relevant thanks to its Ash-Greninja form and prominence in the anime! If you're really trying to call these three examples of flavor-of-the-months who "fell off" and have no fan pull, then you're really grasping at straws.

 

[SEGAGameBoy]

The only new thing I kinda see happening is Link being switchable between his human form and his wolf form.

 

[SirCamp]

To be frank, it would feel off to me to for one shot characters to be added when perfectly relevant recurring characters exist. I like plenty of them just fine, but Impa and Tingle just make more sense to me as additions to the Smash roster.

 

[fogbadge]

I mean, we were just talking about how Ganondorf was never meant to be in BotW to begin with, and I assumed you brought up the Falcondorf example because you're trying to convince others that Sakurai plays fast and loose with Zelda material. While, in fact Smash 64 and Melee both have quite a bit of Early Installment Weirdness in how they portray characters, and changing those characters in response to more recent games would, I assure you, anger more fans than they would please. People were pissed that Jill was changed from MvC2 to MvC3; now imagine that level of backlash x100; that's how much more powerful the Smash fandom is.

i wasnt making any point i was just musing on why he was included in melee

im not bothered by how ganondorf is in smash im to biased about zelda to have any negative feelings

it doesnt matter cause they dont do huge moveset revampments

i wouldnt say the fandom is that powerful as ridley aint in smash

 

[Idon]

To be frank, it would feel off to me to for one shot characters to be added when perfectly relevant recurring characters exist. I like plenty of them just fine, but Impa and Tingle just make more sense to me as additions to the Smash roster.

Impa would make more sense and have some seniority, but the issue is she has never been a combatant, and her only roles as such have been in the spinoff Hyrule Warriors. In fact, I'm almost certain she's seen more in her elderly form than as the last remaining Sheikah warrior.

And honestly, putting in Tingle would be a terrible idea. Just because he's a recurring character doesn't detract from the fact that he's a joke character meant to annoy, disgust, and bother the player.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Impa would make more sense and have some seniority, but the issue is she has never been a combatant, and her only roles as such have been in the spinoff Hyrule Warriors. In fact, I'm almost certain she's seen more in her elderly form than as the last remaining Sheikah warrior.

And honestly, putting in Tingle would be a terrible idea. Just because he's a recurring character doesn't detract from the fact that he's a joke character meant to annoy, disgust, and bother the player.

She was a combatant in skyward sword where she was shown to have magical powers and she's also clearly a ninja, it's sorta implied she can fight, and while Ocarina never shows her fighting it's assumed she is able to considering she's literally Zelda's protector and everything sheik can do is because of her

 

[Idon]

She was a combatant in skyward sword where she was shown to have magical powers and she's also clearly a ninja, it's sorta implied she can fight, and while Ocarina never shows her fighting it's assumed she is able to considering she's literally Zelda's protector and everything sheik can do is because of her

I don't remember much about Impa from SS, but I don't recall her ever fighting onscreen. Feel free to correct me on that, because it's been like 7 years since I beat it.
Anyway, that's the issue with implicims, we never actually see her moves or know what she's capable of, and that makes it really hard to draw moves from seeing as the Hyrule Warriors version of Impa and Sheik are both wholly original to that game.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I don't remember much about Impa from SS, but I don't recall her ever fighting onscreen. Feel free to correct me on that, because it's been like 7 years since I beat it.
Anyway, that's the issue with implicims, we never actually see her moves or know what she's capable of, and that makes it really hard to draw moves from seeing as the Hyrule Warriors version of Impa and Sheik are both wholly original to that game.

There's a scene with her and ghirahim where she creates a magic barrier to stop him getting to Zelda, she's also a ninja and zelda's protector so it doesn't seem farfetched that she's combat trained.

And still Sheik's moveset is wholly original to smash except for one move, I don't see why they couldn't do the same with impa.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I could definitely see Impa inheriting or at least becoming an alt for Shiek assuming they keep Zelda and Shiek separate. I'd prefer Impa to get a naginata set, but she really hasn't been seen doing much outside of being an old lady in most games.

That said, Impa really doesn't interest me much as a character on her own, and the less said about that creepy Tingle the better.

The one one-shot who interests me is Midna though. Same issues about her being a one-shot as everyone else, but she got a trophy and two stickers in Brawl, which released 2 years after her game (so perfect timing); and then in Smash 4 - 8 years after her game, and Hyrule Warriors had only just come out a month before so that had nothing to do with anything - she got to be an assist? Quite a jump for someone 'irrelevant.' And now that Twilight Princess got a remaster in 2016 AND Hyrule Warriors was rereleased twice...

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

changing those characters in response to more recent games would, I assure you, anger more fans than they would please

I disagree. I assure you, there would be a net gain in satisfaction.

When they were flavor of the month, people really liked Greninja, Robin, and Lucina. Nowadays, precisely NO ONE remembers them after ~4 years. It's all about Decidueye and the unknown FE Switch protagonist.

Greninja is cool as ****, one of the most popular Pokémon according to polls, and was in television and movie anime. In my experience, almost nobody gives a **** about Decidueye except on this board.

Anyway, back on the topic of the thread, I don't care very much about how recurring ANY character is. I care how popular a character is. That's the draw of a mascot fighter: playing as characters one likes.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I disagree. I assure you, there would be a net gain in satisfaction.

The idea of a net gain in satisfaction is quite interesting, seeing how satisfied people tend to shut up and dissatisfied people tend to be incredibly vocal about it.

 

[SirCamp]

Impa would make more sense and have some seniority, but the issue is she has never been a combatant, and her only roles as such have been in the spinoff Hyrule Warriors. In fact, I'm almost certain she's seen more in her elderly form than as the last remaining Sheikah warrior.

And honestly, putting in Tingle would be a terrible idea. Just because he's a recurring character doesn't detract from the fact that he's a joke character meant to annoy, disgust, and bother the player.

I disagree fully here. Not every character needs to be an obvious pick in terms of being fighter ready. If that were the case we would never have gotten villager or game&watch or captain falcon. I have plenty of faith that a move set could be made for Tingle. I mean he even has a spin-off game of his own to pull from.

And as far as how Tingle is meant to make you feel, he is certainly weird, but I dunno that everyone would agree that he's entirely off-putting. If Tingle was meant to be completely off-putting I doubt he would have starred in his own spin off game... But regardless, that actually captures the feel of a bunch of Zelda characters. Hyrulians are generally quirky and weird. You have people collecting ghost souls in bottles, the creepy ass happy mask salesman, Beedle being... Beedle, that demon guy in skyward sword, literally a hand in a toilet, the great fairies (particularly the old ones in all their polygonal boob glory). I think we could do with some of that weirdness in Smash.

Edit - Man I did not realize how much people apparently hate Tingle. Makes me sad. He's one of my most wanted. I like the weirdness. And honestly I think it's part of what makes Zelda so awesome.

 

[Idon]

There's a scene with her and ghirahim where she creates a magic barrier to stop him getting to Zelda, she's also a ninja and zelda's protector so it doesn't seem farfetched that she's combat trained.

And still Sheik's moveset is wholly original to smash except for one move, I don't see why they couldn't do the same with impa.

I disagree fully here. Not every character needs to be an obvious pick in terms of being fighter ready. If that were the case we would never have gotten villager or game&watch or captain falcon. I have plenty of faith that a move set could be made for Tingle. I mean he even has a spin-off game of his own to pull from.

I just want to say I'm not opposed to Impa and would actually be positive about her inclusion. (As long as she isn't an old lady who sits around and points at stuff)
My original point was that, despite being a recurring character, her inclusion would probably be more difficult than most other popular one-shots who have a defined appearance and combat style.

And as far as how Tingle is meant to make you feel, he is certainly weird, but I dunno that everyone would agree that he's entirely off-putting. If Tingle was meant to be completely off-putting I doubt he would have starred in his own spin off game... But regardless, that actually captures the feel of a bunch of Zelda characters. Hyrulians are generally quirky and weird. You have people collecting ghost souls in bottles, the creepy *** happy mask salesman, Beedle being... Beedle, that demon guy in skyward sword, literally a hand in a toilet, the great fairies (particularly the old ones in all their polygonal boob glory). I think we could do with some of that weirdness in Smash.

Edit - Man I did not realize how much people apparently hate Tingle. Makes me sad. He's one of my most wanted. I like the weirdness. And honestly, I think it's part of what makes Zelda so awesome.

You can like who you want, but you can't look at tingle and say he was designed to be taken seriously in any way. He's a fat short, middle-aged bearded man wearing makeup shoved into a green skinsuit who travels via a red balloon tied to his waist. However, just because he's offputting and bizarre, it doesn't mean he can't have his own following as those two tingle games have shown.

However, personal biases aside, my original point was that Tingle, like many other recurring characters in numerous franchises, is probably not high on the priority list despite being a recurring character.

 

[SirCamp]

I just want to say I'm not opposed to Impa and would actually be positive about her inclusion. (As long as she isn't an old lady who sits around and points at stuff)
My original point was that, despite being a recurring character, her inclusion would probably be more difficult than most other popular one-shots who have a defined appearance and combat style.

You can like who you want, but you can't look at tingle and say he was designed to be taken seriously in any way. He's a fat short, middle-aged bearded man wearing makeup shoved into a green skinsuit who travels via a red balloon tied to his waist. However, just because he's offputting and bizarre, it doesn't mean he can't have his own following as those two tingle games have shown.

However, personal biases aside, my original point was that Tingle, like many other recurring characters in numerous franchises, is probably not high on the priority list despite being a recurring character.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that he is meant to be taken seriously. I did say he is weird after all. But weird is not the same as off-putting. I think Tingle is meant to be weird, but I don't think you're meant to be made uncomfortable by him or to revile him (granted I get that a lot of people, particularly in the west, do). And not everything needs to be serious. Certainly not in Smash. I mean look at Wario. One of his moves is literally a fart. And he eats his own motorcycle. But I don't think many people are mad that he got included in the game.

Moreover, I don't see that is a detractor as far as whether he should be added to Smash. In fact I see it as a boon if anything as it represents a side to Zelda that we don't really get from the current roster. Some irreverence is called for imo.

Regarding move set readiness, we have so many characters that don't have ready made move sets already that I guess I just don't see this as an issue. There is definitely potential for a move set to be made for either Tingle or Impa. It would certainly be no more difficult than Duck Hunt or Wii Fit Trainer. I think the biggest problem for Tingle is popularity, to the extent that Sakurai actually factors that in, since it seems many people would take issue with his inclusion unfortunately.

I wouldn't be mad if another one-shot character made it in to Smash, Impa and Tingle just feel more deserving to me. BUt that's just how I personally feel. And as to your final point, I'm not sure we can really speak to the Smash team's priorities. And certainly not without being biased. Unless you have some information that you're holding out on us.

 

[ZealousGamer]

I think as far as One Shots go my most wanted are Midna (solo) and Skull Kid.

If we were to get Impa I say we have about 3 options:
- Ocarina of Time
- Skyward Sword
- Breath of the Wild (Young version created specifically for Smash)
I doubt we'd get the Hyrule Warriors version of Impa.

I wouldn't hate Tingle being added to Smash but, I think he should be further back in line.

As far as the Champions? I just don't see one Champion over the other and doubt we'd get all 4.

One last thought:
I do believe Ganondorf will have a new redesign based on Breath of the Wild. Specifically made for Smash Switch.

 

[Quillion]

I disagree. I assure you, there would be a net gain in satisfaction.

I'd like to see YOU cite an example where in a crossover, a character was changed in response to a more recent game and was met with a positive reception. I already cited the opposite:

People were pissed that Jill was changed from MvC2 to MvC3; now imagine that level of backlash x100; that's how much more powerful the Smash fandom is.

Greninja is cool as ****, one of the most popular Pokémon according to polls, and was in television and movie anime. In my experience, almost nobody gives a **** about Decidueye except on this board.

Maybe it's just because of Pokkén DX, but on every Smash character speculation video I saw in the weeks following the reveal, virtually EVERY one of them had Decidueye. And why not? Rowlet was the most popular of the Alola starters leading up to release, and Decidueye seems to be more well-liked than either of its cousins.

I disagree fully here. Not every character needs to be an obvious pick in terms of being fighter ready. If that were the case we would never have gotten villager or game&watch or captain falcon. I have plenty of faith that a move set could be made for Tingle. I mean he even has a spin-off game of his own to pull from.

Yeah, but the characters that aren't already fighter-ready in their home series are limited to main characters of their respective series.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Yeah, but the characters that aren't already fighter-ready in their home series are limited to main characters of their respective series.

This, this right here. This is something that so many people just don't seem to understand. "But Villager got in, so therefore literally anyone can have a moveset made for them!!" No, Villager is the face of one of Nintendo's currently most popular IPs, so he warranted full creative liberty to get in. Characters from already established series like Impa and the Champions from BOTW do not enjoy this luxury. Not just any old schmuck with little to no unique moveset potential can have a VIP pass just because they feel like it.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

This, this right here. This is something that so many people just don't seem to understand. "But Villager got in, so therefore literally anyone can have a moveset made for them!!" No, Villager is the face of one of Nintendo's currently most popular IPs, so he warranted full creative liberty to get in. Characters from already established series like Impa and Captain Toad do not enjoy this luxury. Not just any old schmuck who has quite literally never been seen fighting can have a VIP pass just because they feel like it.

Sheik is shown fighting even less than impa tho, she practically got in because they took the whole ninja trope and just ran with it

 

[Ze Diglett]

Sheik is shown fighting even less than impa tho, she practically got in because they took the whole ninja trope and just ran with it

Sheik was also originally added as a supplement to another character's moveset, and merely survived the split that occurred in Smash 4 due to already having multi-time veteran's insurance at the time.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Sheik was also originally added as a supplement to another character's moveset, and merely survived the split that occurred in Smash 4 due to already having multi-time veteran's insurance at the time.

but they didn't have to add sheik in melee, they could've just had Zelda and left it at that, but instead they came up with the transforming gimmick and made an entire moveset out of the fact that she's a ninja

 

[Ze Diglett]

but they didn't have to add sheik in melee, they could've just had Zelda and left it at that, but instead they came up with the transforming gimmick and made an entire moveset out of the fact that she's a ninja

Even then, I'd still call Sheik the exception rather than the rule. Besides, when you get right down to it, Sheik's hardly even her own character anyway; she's a disguised form of a central character to the franchise, so she has that going for her in terms of importance that someone like Impa would not. Triforce-wielders like Sheik seem to have preferential treatment when it comes to Zelda reps, if history tells us anything.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think Sheik is a poor example. Sheik exists in Melee because of Zelda. If she were another generic character, I can’t see her in. Zelda could easily have existed without Shiek, bit not so the other way around. I’m sure part of that was also just the “look at this! Two movesets in one” hype, and there weren’t many characters that had two forms at that point. Besides, that was back in the late 90’s where all princesses did was get captured by monsters, so the fact that Zelda was actively resisting, albeit in disguise, has left its mark on her characterization since then as well.

And even Zelda herself has most of her moves completely original. Coming up with movesets based on a concept is nothing, so all Zelda one-shots could easily get one. The question is whether they’re important enough to stick around. The fact that there really isn’t a clear frontrunner for ‘next Zelda character’ because they’re all equally important (or the recurring ones are equally unexciting to the populus).

She’s hung around because she was Zelda’s gimmick, and now she’s sticking around because she’s a popular Smash character, not because she’s a popular Zelda character. Look at Sm4sh - I believe she was going to stay a transformation, but they found that the 3DS couldn’t handle it so they took time to give Zelda a new down special and then threw ZSS’s flop onto Sheik and called it a day. I bet they were some of the first characters, since once they knew that transformations couldn’t go, they decided to toss the other two Pokémon and just keep Zard.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Maybe it's just because of Pokkén DX, but on every Smash character speculation video I saw in the weeks following the reveal, virtually EVERY one of them had Decidueye. And why not? Rowlet was the most popular of the Alola starters leading up to release, and Decidueye seems to be more well-liked than either of its cousins.

The fact that people speculate a character will be in doesn’t mean they’re popular. People love being right, so they’ll predict the characters seen as likely. It creates a sort-of bandwagon where people see a character as inevitable because other people see them as inevitable. Look at how much the Simon Belmont thread grew after a leak supposedly confirmed him. Takamaru, Decidueye, Rex & Pyra/Elma. Most people put them on their predictions even without supporting them, because predict does not equal want.

 

[Quillion]

Even then, I'd still call Sheik the exception rather than the rule. Besides, when you get right down to it, Sheik's hardly even her own character anyway; she's a disguised form of a central character to the franchise, so she has that going for her in terms of importance that someone like Impa would not. Triforce-wielders like Sheik seem to have preferential treatment when it comes to Zelda reps, if history tells us anything.

I think Sheik is a poor example. Sheik exists in Melee because of Zelda. If she were another generic character, I can’t see her in. Zelda could easily have existed without Shiek, bit not so the other way around. I’m sure part of that was also just the “look at this! Two movesets in one” hype, and there weren’t many characters that had two forms at that point. Besides, that was back in the late 90’s where all princesses did was get captured by monsters, so the fact that Zelda was actively resisting, albeit in disguise, has left its mark on her characterization since then as well.

Also, we have reason to believe that Sheik's lack of relevance post-OoT made Sakurai leery of including future one-shots in the first place. Toon Zelda was planned for Brawl alongside Toon Sheik or Tetra, but they ultimately didn't make the cut. Probably because either Toon Sheik wouldn't make sense when Tetra existed, and/or Tetra would ultimately suffer the same fate as Sheik did (when in fact, Tetra did fare a bit better).

This also has to be the reason why all the popular one-shots (Skull Kid, Midna, and Ghirahim) were not considered for the playable roster at all and were placed in the Assist Trophy roster instead.

The fact that people speculate a character will be in doesn’t mean they’re popular. People love being right, so they’ll predict the characters seen as likely. It creates a sort-of bandwagon where people see a character as inevitable because other people see them as inevitable. Look at how much the Simon Belmont thread grew after a leak supposedly confirmed him. Takamaru, Decidueye, Rex & Pyra/Elma. Most people put them on their predictions even without supporting them, because predict does not equal want.

True, but I don't really see any objection to Decidueye the same way people do to, say, another Fire Emblem character. A lot of people expect but don't want any new Fire Emblem character (unless maybe the previous flavor-of-the-month ones are cut), but definitely expect them. People just seem to straight-up want and expect Decidueye in contrast.

 

[QrowinSP]

Honestly, I'd really love to see one of them come back. Not a Breath of the Wild one, though. I'd like to see Ghirahim or Midna. Both were really amazing characters with lots of moveset potential, and they're sort of relevant still thanks to Hyrule Warriors. I'm not sure they are the most likely, but I'd certainly prefer them to one of the Champions, who I feel would have a pretty boring moveset in comparison.

 

[Quillion]

I find it strange that Ghirahim and Midna are still among the most popular one-shots that people want added to Smash even though their respective games are considered the collective low point of the Zelda series (pretending CDi games don't exist).

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I find it strange that Ghirahim and Midna are still among the most popular one-shots that people want added to Smash even though their respective games are considered the collective low point of the Zelda series (pretending CDi games don't exist).

Twilight Princess has a lot of fans for some reason. I thought it was pretty sub-par for a Zelda game, but Midna wasn't the reason for that. As for Skyward Sword, I haven't gotten the same impression from the fanbase. I thought the game was great. It had the glaring flaw of not having much of an overworld, but I liked most of the rest of it. Barring CDi games, I think the general consensus is that Phantom Hourglass is the worst Zelda game.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I find it strange that Ghirahim and Midna are still among the most popular one-shots that people want added to Smash even though their respective games are considered the collective low point of the Zelda series (pretending CDi games don't exist).

uh what? Twilight princess is still to this day one of the most popular Zelda games among fans, and even for fans that don't like it as much Midna is still one of the best aspects of it.

I don't see many people requesting ghirahim tho tbh.

 

[Quillion]

The only fans the TP-SS era has are those who cling onto it for nostalgia alone due to it being the time period when they were introduced to the series.

For everyone else who was introduced to Zelda before or even after that era (meaning ALBW and beyond), it's by far the most disliked set of Zelda games there is.