Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[subterrestrial]

New Nintendo Switch Pro Deluxe XL

 

[Momotsuki]

especially when we're close to a new Nintendo console.

Nintendo has seemed unusually adamant on this not being the case. And why wouldn't they when things are still going strong? It's not like the Wii U where there was very strong incentive to get the hell out of there as soon as possible.
A "Switch Pro" or equivalent is definitely only a matter of time, if only to foster continued third-party support along with model-specific game enhancements. I think we're looking at 3DS-tier longevity even if, like the 3DS, between differently spec'd models.
I don't really care much. I like my day one Switch; hax and all that. But I can't see it not happening.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I just hope they don't pull another New Nintendo 3Ds where there like "this thing and this thing and this thing are upgrade exclusive so if you want to play the Xenoblade Chronicles X port or something go buy the console again lol".

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Wait hold up
Imagine if they said "Lady Dimistresu's horniness will make her popular, we can add her"

The greatest risk of all time

 

[Momotsuki]

I just hope they don't pull another New Nintendo 3Ds where there like "this thing and this thing and this thing are upgrade exclusive so if you want to play the Xenoblade Chronicles X port or something go buy the console again lol".

I'm really thinking that the BotW sequel will have enhancements specific to the new Switch model; I think they're probably gonna announce it around the same time the BotW Sequel is further elaborated on. Keeping in tune with BotW itself having been the killer app for the Switch, while also launching on the older hardware it was initially announced for.

It definitely won't be exclusive to it, mind you; imagine the outrage and more importantly to Nintendo, lost sales - but it'll probably run better with some extra graphical perks.

 

[Dan Quixote]

I just hope they don't pull another New Nintendo 3Ds where there like "this thing and this thing and this thing are upgrade exclusive so if you want to play the Xenoblade Chronicles X port or something go buy the console again lol".

That's just the breaks with upgraded hardware. Gotta learn to accept it, y'know? I remember a similar type of outrage when DVD players were being upgraded to Blu-ray heh. People aren't just going to invent a more powerful Switch and then not use it to its full potential. I'm just glad the exclusives on New 3DS were relatively small in number.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That's just the breaks with upgraded hardware. Gotta learn to accept it, y'know?

No. I don't want to buy the system I already have for arbitrary reasons. That's dumb.

I would much rather it be a new system.

 

[Momotsuki]

No. I don't want to buy the system I already have for arbitrary reasons. That's dumb.

I would much rather it be a new system.

There is very little incentive for Nintendo to make a game exclusive to the "Switch Pro" if it's not needed; it's entirely reasonable that the old 3DS couldn't manage Xenoblade. Remember that even Smash for absolutely gave it to the Old 3DS - you couldn't use any of the apps like Miiverse or the Internet Browser while it was running.

They have way more to lose in lost sales from existing owners than they have to gain in the relatively few people that'll upgrade solely for the one game in question. Nintendo is stupid, but not that stupid.

 

[SNEKeater]

Can I just say I love Samus' new suit

Hope in the next Smash it either becomes her new default, or at least has a palate swap based on it

If the game does well and ends being very good, which I think will be the case, I could totally see the next Smash game going with this suit, as long as the game manages to be a hit for the series, which again, I assume will be the case. Prime 4 will be a bigger hit tho, so maybe they will go with Prime 4's suit if it's a new design.

Hear me out y'all

Heihachi's Mii costume back back with Min Min a year ago and everyone said "Ok, no Tekken rep"

Resident Evil got a spirit event in November 2019 which is odd for a series THAT big. It sold around 110 million units.

What if negotiations for a RE rep worked out last minute? Hence "One more fighter than last time!"?

I was thinking about this yesterday. I decided to not say anything about it but yeah, I don't think there's that much of a difference between RE spirits and Heihachi's costume.
RE spirits were announced before the Tekken costume, but I assume the decisions were made at a similar time, if we assume CP11 is Resident Evil.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

I have some ideas about CP11

If it's someone that will resolve in mass backlash, and assuming Pass 2 is it, I will predict EITHER standalone direct for the fighter in between mid-August and late September, or revealed in the very beginning of a general September Nintendo Direct.

If it's someone on a scale of Bayonetta, I will only predict a standalone direct, within the same time frame as previously mentioned.

And if it's someone that will receive overwhelming positivity, I will say a standalone direct will happen for sure.

And for a few other things...
Assuming Martin's color theory is actually true..
I can think of the following fighters..
Chief
Doomguy
Decidueye
Rash from Battletoads
CJ or Franklin from GTA (did some thinking, they both fit green, and the SLIGHT chance that Ultimate actually ends on a banger is still possible)

Definitely the top 2 you mentioned. As for the color theory, it's a bit off but in the same color area. His was Light Red while Kazuya is Red.

 

[Technomage]

Hey


Resident Evil gets in Smash


Another non-main character

Another-villain


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.....Nah, there's probably a little too much body horror for an E+10.

Well, we do have this design:

Though even then, it's not very recognizable (nor would most people figure out that it's Nemesis); plus, putting a garbage bag over his head would probably reduce his fear factor. XD

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I was thinking about this yesterday. I decided to not say anything about it but yeah, I don't think there's that much of a difference between RE spirits and Heihachi's costume.
RE spirits were announced before the Tekken costume, but I assume the decisions were made at a similar time, if we assume CP11 is Resident Evil.

RE's Second Chance, man

Assuming this ENTIRE pass fits that bill

CP11 could easily not fit it and be the "one extra fighter".

 

[Technomage]

Nemesis or Lady Dimitrescu


Pick your poison.

I'd pick Dimitrescu; at least she's hot. Nemesis, on the other hand, is ugly and disgusting (and he'd ruin Thirst theory, too).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well, we do have this design:

Nemisis T(rash)-Type

 

[Inferno7]

RE's Second Chance, man

Assuming this ENTIRE pass fits that bill

CP11 could easily not fit it and be the "one extra fighter".

Yesterday I started to wonder if RE is back on the table or not, since akin to Tekken it's a very popular franchise that I would've seen as a strong possibility had it not been because of the event (granted, I thought the same about Heihachi's mii). So do you think they did the RE spirit event with the FP2 already in mind/fully decided?
Due to this slot being the last, I don't know how much of this could actually be a grey area.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Well which RE protagonist would they do? Who knows. ; )
I FEEL like they could do Leon no problem. Jill if they wanted more female characters.

Wesker if they wanted more villains (Mind you we have 5 villain newcomers (dear god that's based))

Chris... idk, RE fans and/or followers what do y'all think?
Dimitrescu may not actually be off the table imo, she can be shrunken down like Ridley, also minus Wendy, we have 0 female villains.
West imo can't happen cuz we can't even see his face.

Claire Redfield, too I guess?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If the game does well and ends being very good, which I think will be the case, I could totally see the next Smash game going with this suit, as long as the game manages to be a hit for the series, which again, I assume will be the case. Prime 4 will be a bigger hit tho, so maybe they will go with Prime 4's suit if it's a new design.



I was thinking about this yesterday. I decided to not say anything about it but yeah, I don't think there's that much of a difference between RE spirits and Heihachi's costume.
RE spirits were announced before the Tekken costume, but I assume the decisions were made at a similar time, if we assume CP11 is Resident Evil.

Come on Nemesis!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I like how everyone's jumping to Domitresque and not, you know, the game's actual protagonist. He's not a Spirit (assuming the Spirits can't be added) and would represent the survival horror elements way better than the giant horrific woman he's trying to survive.

She'd make a good background character though. I'd imagine she'd be the type to love watching the fighters duke it out. She could also be to scale too so she wouldn't lose what makes her so imposing.

 

[Cosmic77]

If there is a bonus character, I'm pretty sure it'd be first-party. If they have any type of special deal going on, "Purchase both passes and get F12 free!" then it doesn't make sense for them to choose a character they'd have to pay for rather than one that's free.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If there is a bonus character, I'm pretty sure it'd be first-party. If they have any type of special deal going on, "Purchase both passes and get F12 free!" then it doesn't make sense for them to choose a character they'd have to pay for rather than one that's free.

Same, as I do not see a third party being individual DLC that comes with minimal if any side content like music etc

for sure the bonus won’t have a spirit board

 

[SNEKeater]

Yesterday I started to wonder if RE is back on the table or not, since akin to Tekken it's a very popular franchise that I would've seen as a strong possibility had it not been because of the event (granted, I thought the same about Heihachi's mii). So do you think they did the RE spirit event with the FP2 already in mind/fully decided?
Due to this slot being the last, I don't know how much of this could actually be a grey area.

It's hard to tell, honestly.

If we took it just like Tekken, that would mean that just like Heihachi, neither Leon, Jill, Chris or Wesker would be playable. Which as I said a few pages ago, I think? are definitely the best options to rep the series, specially the first three characters.

So at that point I'm trying to think that maybe they skipped Heihachi for other reasons and not because he was going to get a Mii Costume. Maybe because Sakurai thought Kazuya would be more interesting because of his Devil Gene, and he still bring the Mishima style with him. Maybe because they needed new lines for Heihachi but they didn't wanted to search a new VA, so they changed plans.

At the same time if they knew a RE character was going to be in Fighter Pass 2, why the spirit event? Maybe Capcom was pushing for it for some early promotion? Maybe Sakurai just felt like doing it? We know that DLC characters reusing spirits for their spirit boards isn't new, but so far that has only happened with base game spirits.

 

[Momotsuki]

There's almost certainly no bonus fighter as things stand, but if there is one (there's not), it's Master Hand.
But seriously, Mr. Sakurai has very clearly spelled it out for us that this is it; he very rarely is as clear about anything as he has been regarding this.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

At the same time if they knew a RE character was going to be in Fighter Pass 2, why the spirit event? Maybe Capcom was pushing for it for some early promotion? Maybe Sakurai just felt like doing it? We know that DLC characters reusing spirits for their spirit boards isn't new, but so far that has only happened with base game spirits.

Or Capcom got another character of theirs in the last minute that ISN'T from Resident Evil, and the RE Spirit Event became the start of Capcom DLC additions to Smash.
Phoenix Wright and Dante both fit that bill.

Thing is, while I think Dante's got a bit more legacy going for him, Phoenix makes a bit more sense to me. According to some fan Smash polls DURING THE SMASH 4 DAYS, Phoenix was talked about more than Dante regarding Capcom. IMO, Dante's popularity in the Smash community only took off during the base game Smash Ultimate Days.

 

[N3ON]

There's almost certainly no bonus fighter as things stand, but if there is one (there's not), it's Master Hand.

People been saying this one since Melee lol

 

[Cosmic77]

Main thing that makes me doubt RE is happening is the fact that it was entirely new content added seemingly without reason. It wasn't promoting a specific game, it wasn't carried over from Smash 4; it just randomly appeared. If it was tied to a new release then I could understand why it came nearly two years early, but it wasn't. So why make RE Spirits when RE is coming in a future bundle? It just doesn't make any sense.

Granted, the Heihachi thing also makes zero sense to me, but at least that was a copy and paste costume. The work was minimal.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hmm… might be on to something here

Spoiler: Pic contains swearing, viewer discretion advised

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Or Capcom got another character of theirs in the last minute that ISN'T from Resident Evil, and the RE Spirit Event became the start of Capcom DLC additions to Smash.
Phoenix Wright and Dante both fit that bill.

Thing is, while I think Dante's got a bit more legacy going for him, Phoenix makes a bit more sense to me. According to some fan Smash polls DURING THE SMASH 4 DAYS, Phoenix was talked about more than Dante regarding Capcom. IMO, Dante's popularity in the Smash community only took off during the base game Smash Ultimate Days.

That was because DMC was dead until DMC5 and before Cloud appeared we thought characters had to have their main games on Nintendo consoles.

 

[Technomage]

I like how everyone's jumping to Domitresque and not, you know, the game's actual protagonist. He's not a Spirit (assuming the Spirits can't be added) and would represent the survival horror elements way better than the giant horrific woman he's trying to survive.

She'd make a good background character though. I'd imagine she'd be the type to love watching the fighters duke it out. She could also be to scale too so she wouldn't lose what makes her so imposing.

Maybe she could be a stage boss, instead?

 

[Shroob]

Hmm… might be on to something here

Spoiler: Pic contains swearing, viewer discretion advised

No

10 chars

 

[Wigglerman]

I'd pick Dimitrescu; at least she's hot. Nemesis, on the other hand, is ugly and disgusting (and he'd ruin Thirst theory, too).

How judgmental. Nemmy is trying his best in this world. Not his fault he wasn't born a buxom vampire lady.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Hmm… might be on to something here

Spoiler: Pic contains swearing, viewer discretion advised

Saw that yesterday, OP makes a good point...

In such a case, could either be 3rd or 1st party cuz in the world of Smash, swords are generally hated...

 

[Wigglerman]

I like how everyone's jumping to Domitresque and not, you know, the game's actual protagonist. He's not a Spirit (assuming the Spirits can't be added) and would represent the survival horror elements way better than the giant horrific woman he's trying to survive.

She'd make a good background character though. I'd imagine she'd be the type to love watching the fighters duke it out. She could also be to scale too so she wouldn't lose what makes her so imposing.

Also bold of you to assume Ethan is even a character to begin with.

 

[Technomage]

How judgmental. Nemmy is trying his best in this world. Not his fault he wasn't born a buxom vampire lady.

LOL Good point; plus, Dimitrescu's final form is actually not very hot at all.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Well if Chris, Leon, and Jill are out, they can always for Ethan Winters. A pair of disembodied floating hands would be quite unique.

If Ethan Winters were to join......

Face reveal?#ResidentEvilVillage #smashbros #smashbrosultimate #Nintendo #ResidentEvil pic.twitter.com/antzzpGEz6

— Wooden Plank Studios (@WoodenPlank) May 19, 2021

 

[Wigglerman]

LOL Good point; plus, Dimitrescu's final form is actually not very hot at all.

Psh, speak for yourself!

 

[Ivander]

Hmm… might be on to something here

Spoiler: Pic contains swearing, viewer discretion advised

So how will the OP twist it if it's Master Chief and he brings an energy sword?

 

[DanganZilla5]

So due to the excitement from yesterday, I forgot to ask this. I'm sure I'm not the first one to ask but if it was discussed I missed out on it. Anyway the question is:

Why the heck didn't Heihachi's Mii costume come with Kazuya?

Either they negotiated for that costume a long time before the second pass was finalized, which does make some sense since Bamco as a developer for Smash would be easy to contact......or they pushed back that costume to Min Min for some reason. Maybe they had a lot of ideas for costumes to come alongside Kazuya? Like maybe in addition to a bunch of Tekken characters they also wanted to make costumes for some other characters who have a game released close by (Hayabusa for example). So they put Heihachi in a different spot where the Mii selection wouldn't be so crowded. But they could just have more costumes than usual. I don't see why they would restrict themselves to just 6 in one wave.

Maybe I'm overthinking this but it's got my curiosity. What do you all think?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Maybe she could be a stage boss, instead?

Perhaps. I don't actually know what she does in the game since I've only watched Max play the demos.

 

[Inferno7]

It's hard to tell, honestly.

If we took it just like Tekken, that would mean that just like Heihachi, neither Leon, Jill, Chris or Wesker would be playable. Which as I said a few pages ago, I think? are definitely the best options to rep the series, specially the first three characters.

So at that point I'm trying to think that maybe they skipped Heihachi for other reasons and not because he was going to get a Mii Costume. Maybe because Sakurai thought Kazuya would be more interesting because of his Devil Gene, and he still bring the Mishima style with him. Maybe because they needed new lines for Heihachi but they didn't wanted to search a new VA, so they changed plans.

At the same time if they knew a RE character was going to be in Fighter Pass 2, why the spirit event? Maybe Capcom was pushing for it for some early promotion? Maybe Sakurai just felt like doing it? We know that DLC characters reusing spirits for their spirit boards isn't new, but so far that has only happened with base game spirits.

Fair enough, this has been my reasoning as well.

Unless we factor in the possibility of Capcom making a last minute decision and deciding to just go through, with the spirit event being a side effect of mishandled negotations. Also the fact this pass has one more slot than the first and this is the last character which could mean that it was, again, a last minute decision.

That said I still have mixed feelings about RE being the last slot but it would for sure be fitting, since so far all the 3rd party franchises that have been represented in this pass are pretty big: Tekken, FF7 and Minecraft. I'd like to think the spirit event rule is more of a precedent but I'm not entirely sold yet, only time will tell.

Or Capcom got another character of theirs in the last minute that ISN'T from Resident Evil, and the RE Spirit Event became the start of Capcom DLC additions to Smash.
Phoenix Wright and Dante both fit that bill.

Thing is, while I think Dante's got a bit more legacy going for him, Phoenix makes a bit more sense to me. According to some fan Smash polls DURING THE SMASH 4 DAYS, Phoenix was talked about more than Dante regarding Capcom. IMO, Dante's popularity in the Smash community only took off during the base game Smash Ultimate Days.

this may very sound dumb but...
wouldn't Phoenix's appearance overlap with Kazuya's suit alt? so far all the DLC in each pass have been different merely from an aesthetic perspective

 

[Shroob]

Perhaps. I don't actually know what she does in the game since I've only watched Max play the demos.

She's a chaser like the Tyrants in other games, where she hunts you down.

Spoiler

And later she's a boss fight where she turns into a big, mutated dragon thing, which is fitting due to some of her inspiration.