Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Idon]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

 

[Shroob]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

This is a legit hard question.


I think I like parts of both, tbh, but mainly the former.


The latter, while really cool, the issue is that it just gives the fighter away like 99% of the time right at the start, while the former gives a bit of suspense before they're dropped on us.

 

[DarthEnderX]

TWEWY is a bigger deal right now than half the SE **** you guys are talking about.

No...not really.

Well, except for volbound saying Valkyrie. Like, the hell?

To compare the appeal in the West of a relatively niche Japanese franchise to 3 Western franchises seems like an obviously biased question. Especially when we're dealing with a crossover in which the likelihood of getting a Western franchise is a longshot. I could compare TWEWY to Momotaro Densetsu, Mystical Ninja, Taiko no Tatsujin and Puyo Puyo and tell you that 95% of Westerners prefer TWEWY and it would be equally anecdotal at worst.

Also I'd dispute Rayman getting that level of preference from Westerners in 2021 but that's neither here nor there.

Honestly, I think some of you in this thread greatly overestimate the popularity of a 13yo DS game...

Like, yeah, there's a new Switch game coming, but it ain't here yet. That series is still niche as hell.

At the same time, Black Mage historically had more support here on Cloud, now we have 2 FF characters and how many people still want Black Mage more than the likes of Terra?

I really just want a Mii Mage costume. But first, we need Mii Mages.

Dude I'd love a Sim in Smash actually lol.

It has an AT.

Trailer begins, Cloud is bombing a Shinra facility with idk Joker and Inkling. Suddenly he gets knocked down by an explosion, screen cuts to black, and you hear

 

[Deleted member]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

Stylized to match the character’s home series. Feels more like a love letter to the franchise than standard Smash CG & is generally more fun to rewatch since it stands out more imo.

For the initial reveal it’s more of a surprise if they use the Smash style, but Pyra & Joker’s disguised theirs pretty well and are among my favorite reveals even if I did call them being Smash pretty much instantly. Also idk where Palutena’s trailer would fit on this spectrum but that was pretty fun.

 

[PSIGuy]

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

Other than Terry's spritework I didn't really enjoy any of the art-style matching trailers. The cinematic style trailers tend to have more entertaining character moments, and makes it easier to get into the reveal if you're not already a fan of the character. In comparison the art-style matches tend to feel awkward, especially in terms of pacing. Instead of "holy crap they're in" it's "Is this DLC? Oh it's Smash Bros? Hmm."

For my most wanted... Cinematic, I guess. I'm already happy because they're my most wanted, but the cinematic trailer will endear them to more new people.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Honestly, I think some of you in this thread greatly overestimate the popularity of a 13yo DS game...

Like, yeah, there's a new Switch game coming, but it ain't here yet. That series is still niche as hell.

I think you missed the part where I also said that it's a niche franchise.

 

[Ivander]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

It depends. I think the art-style works best with characters with very notable and unique artstyles, like with Joker, and I think that works for game characters with unique art directions. Like I think Indie characters like Shovel Knight or Shantae, or very anime-stylised characters like Tales of characters like Lloyd or Yuri, or even characters from very artistic games like with Rayman with Rayman Origins and Legends, would work best with art-stylised trailers.
Meanwhile, characters who are already 3D, are atmosphere focused or who's artstyle and direction are not that different from Smash's Cinematic style, like the Chosen Undead, Dante, KOS-MOS, Crash Bandicoot, Master Chief, etc. Those characters I feel work best with Smash's Cinematic style.

So honestly, I say keep both kinds of trailers. The very stylised trailers for characters with very stylised games and the Cinematic style for characters from games that already go for a Cinematic style.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

Master Chief sits in a relatively realistic environment, so definitely the cinematic art style. I'd prefer his own setting (for a trailer), but if the trend continues of piggybacking off of others, I'd rather see him take up the fight against Ridley. Seeing Samus and Chief interacting would be too cool.

 

[SharkLord]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

I generally prefer the cinematic style. I feel like it hasn't been used enough throughout the DLC; After Hero and Banjo, the entire style took a break until Steve and Sephiroth, and even then Steve didn't have a very long cinematic section anyways. That being said, some of the stylized trailers are pretty fun, namely Terry's spritework.

I feel like Adol would probably be cinematic by default since Ys doesn't have much of a specific "Oh shoot it's that" art style, though I could also see him using the animation of the Ys VIII intro or the old 80's anime style. I've also toyed with the idea of using the Link's Awakening trailer style too, because of the shipwrecks and all.

Reimu's safest bet would probably be the cinematic style, but I could see Smash going the extra mile and bringing in the style of a well-known fanwork just for the heck of it. Bad Apple is the obvious one, but there's also Fantasy Kaleidoscope, MinusT's 3D animations, and a lot more that I can't think of off the top of my head. Maybe not the safest prediction, but hey, it'd be fun.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

This one is hard. I like both kinds. But cinematic ends with a more fun surprise, so I'd probably go with that for Brian.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

I do like both but I vastly prefer the former style of reveal trailers, there's more suspense, hints being dropped as to who they could be, until the curtain is finally pulled (or in Sephiroth's case, no hints at all until One-Winged Angel started playing). With the latter it kind of just gives away who the character is. With that in mind, I'd prefer my most wanted characters to take the former style with their trailer.

 

[DarthEnderX]

here is a question if there is a DLC newcomer you dont want to happen and hate it will you still buy it anyway if it happens?

Well, I have the Season Pass. So...any fighter I didn't want.

After directs, do you guys discuss whatever was revealed HERE? And do you discuss with spoiler warnings consistently showing up?

It's an absolute madhouse free-for-all of spoilers.

Although sometimes, the mods lock the thread while the Direct is in progress.

First indie character is going to be Sans in smash 6 imo.

Possibly. Though my money is on Shovel Knight being first.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers?

Prefer them in Smash-style cause those tend to have more cross-franchise interactions between characters.

 

[ZelDan]

For Isaac, having a trailer based around the visuals of the GBA Golden Sun games would be...ehhh. The games look nice on the GBA and all, but the games aren't exactly that uniquely stylized or super-stylized in the same way as something like Persona 5, so using GBA visuals for Isaac wouldn't really add anything I don't think or make any difference, other than tickle the nostalgia bone for some Golden Sun fans I guess. Now, if it was "stylized" in the same way as Palutena's was back in Smash 4, and Isaac got an anime-styled reveal trailer, that could be dope.

Otherwise, I'd rather just get a cinematic trailer.

 

[7NATOR]

I’d first need to know who at Nintendo or Namco picks the themes for the tournaments. Are they people at high enough of a position to know who the remaining characters are?

Most likely they would be in the know. I assume these are the same people that do the DLC Spirit Boards and DLC Tournaments, so yes

aw yeah, this is my kind of tournament

There was a problem fetching the tweet

ready to set things ablaze

So Fire tourney was one of the tourneys that I found it's absence to be suspicious, but now that it showed up, here are the 3 tourneys I think we should pay attention to

-2010's tourney
-Swordfighter (or Weapon) tourney
-Woman Tourney

Well since we're still 7 (6 depending on the timezone) days away from the fated direct, here's a simple question to pass the time.

Do you all prefer Smash's "cinematic" art-style used for trailers? (Hero, Banjo, Sephiroth, technically Steve)
Or do you prefer when an art-style is stylized to match the original art-style of the game represented? (Joker, Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra)

And, as an addendum,
What would you prefer your most-wanted character's trailer to take the style of?

I Like both, but CGI, has they tended to have the more hype trailers from a Trailer standpoint

The art Style one works well if Smash isn't automatically expected, where pretty much the fact that it is a Smash Trailer is the surprise. Joker was the perfect example of this (But I personally kind of figured it was Smash even before he showed the invitation). They also technically look pleasing, and it can be very awesome to see other Smash characters rendered in that style

But they fall apart if we already expect Smash. That's why Byleth's Trailer is one of the worst ones in my opinion. It seemed made for something like the Game Awards.

CGI, since we already know it's Smash, Has to build up to who the actual character is more often, and it works better. Since these trailers aren't centered on who the character actually is until they are revealed, we tend to see the Current Smash characters and their reactions, and since the whole thing about Smash is the crossover aspect, it's just much cooler and such

Pretty much, the Art Style trailers build up to the fact that the Trailer is about Smash, but the CGI Trailers build up to who the actual character is, and I think more often than not the latter works better

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like the surprise factor from the Smash CG trailers is being overstated. They quite often drop very obvious hints at who the character is before the actual reveal, whether it be music, the locale, or the character themselves.

 

[Shroob]

I feel like the surprise factor from the Smash CG trailers is being overstated. They quite often drop very obvious hints at who the character is before the actual reveal, whether it be music, the locale, or the character themselves.

Eh, debatable.


Like, with Min Min's trailer, although we already knew it was ARMs, it was painfully obvious that it'd be Min Min since we saw her in the noddle house all non-descript like.

And with Byleth/Pythra's, well, those were obvious. Sure, a *lot*of people thought that the Pythra trailer would be Rex or Rex+Pyra, but I don't think a whole lot of people fell for the "A XB2 expansion/dlc?" like they were hoping for.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I feel like the surprise factor from the Smash CG trailers is being overstated. They quite often drop very obvious hints at who the character is before the actual reveal, whether it be music, the locale, or the character themselves.

I dunno dude until I saw the glistening silver hair of a pseudo god and heard the cellos and tubas kick in I had no idea who the **** was at The Game Awards.

 

[N3ON]

Sort of depends how long they want to keep you on the hook before they start showing their hand with the CG trailers. As soon as that jiggy bounced across the screen you could tell what was up, but on the other hand they let that Sephiroth reveal build up much longer.

The in-universe ones mostly only work as surprises if people aren't expecting a Smash trailer. I don't know about you but I made it about two seconds into the Pyra trailer before I realized it was for Smash. Opening a Direct with XC2 in 2021? Meanwhile Joker was in the middle of the game awards, and there had never been a Smash reveal there before. If E3 starts with a trailer clearly from an in-game universe that is at all talked about in the context of Smash with 'Not Actual Gameplay Footage' people here at least are going to put two and two together pretty quick at this point, I think.

 

[Shroob]

Sort of depends how long they want to keep you on the hook before they start showing their hand with the CG trailers. As soon as that jiggy bounced across the screen you could tell what was up, but on the other hand they let that Sephiroth reveal build up much longer.

The in-universe ones mostly only work as surprises if people aren't expecting a Smash trailer. I don't know about you but I made it about two seconds into the Pyra trailer before I realized it was for Smash. Opening a Direct with XC2 in 2021? Meanwhile Joker was in the middle of the game awards, and there had never been a Smash reveal there before. If E3 starts with a trailer clearly from an in-game universe that is at all talked about in the context of Smash with 'Not Actual Gameplay Footage' people here at least are going to put two and two together pretty quick at this point, I think.

So what you're saying is, if they put "Not actual gameplay footage" from a universe that isn't talked about(Or Smash fans generally don't know), it'd slip under the radar.


Y'all ready to learn about Japanese architecture for Reimu.

 

[NotGenerico]

This is curious. I've checked the ID for the Fire-themed tournament and it's labeled as 4013. The last tournament before this one was 4048. The 4014 tournament took place all the way back in February 2020. I wonder why they decided to skip this Fire tournament back then.

 

[Shroob]

This is curious. I've checked the ID for the Fire-themed tournament and it's labeled as 4013. The last tournament before this one was 4048. The 4014 tournament took place all the way back in February 2020. I wonder why they decided to skip this Fire tournament back then.

Well, we didn't have Pythra available as an easy answer, maybe they were meant to originally come out earlier than March?

 

[N3ON]

So what you're saying is, if they put "Not actual gameplay footage" from a universe that isn't talked about(Or Smash fans generally don't know), it'd slip under the radar.


Y'all ready to learn about Japanese architecture for Reimu.

On the contrary, if you're not part of the Touhou fandom, the only time you really ever hear Reimu talked about is in the context of Smash.

 

[NotGenerico]

Well, we didn't have Pythra available as an easy answer, maybe they were meant to originally come out earlier than March?

That's the thing. It was apparently meant to come out over a year ago. They seemingly postponed it for some reason and added Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra to it.

 

[Shroob]

On the contrary, if you're not part of the Touhou fandom, the only time you really ever hear Reimu talked about is in the context of Smash.

Or a very slow news day.

Or an Alpharad video/TF2 video.

 

[Cosmic77]

There's been a few exceptions (Steve, Sephiroth, etc.), but for the most part, I do agree with the people who think the first few seconds of the Smash trailer give it away. In particular, first-party trailers. They're stupid easy. I think a majority of the internet knew what was coming five seconds in to Byleth, Min Min, and Pyra's trailer. Isabelle's was easily the most straightforward one so far considering how the trailer immediately starts with her.

Granted, there's a lot of other variables to consider. I probably wouldn't have known about Incineroar being the featured character in his reveal without the help of leaks. There's also a few trailers that are explicitly said to be a Smash reveal prior to being shown, so that gives me time to understand what I'm looking at and make sense of it all.

 

[N3ON]

Or a very slow news day.

Or an Alpharad video/TF2 video.

You know if you watched that with only the context provided in the video you still wouldn't know who Reimu is.

 

[osby]

That's the thing. It was apparently meant to come out over a year ago. They seemingly postponed it for some reason and added Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra to it.

Maybe I'm reaching but wouldn't they postpone it even further to include the last two characters if they used fire in their moveset?

 

[Shroob]

You know if you watched that with only the context provided in the video you still wouldn't know who Reimu is.

To be fair

Most of the people in the fandom probably don't even know who Reimu is


People who become Touhou fans rarely ever play the games.

 

[Deleted member]

Eh, debatable.


Like, with Min Min's trailer, although we already knew it was ARMs, it was painfully obvious that it'd be Min Min since we saw her in the noddle house all non-descript like.

And with Byleth/Pythra's, well, those were obvious. Sure, a *lot*of people thought that the Pythra trailer would be Rex or Rex+Pyra, but I don't think a whole lot of people fell for the "A XB2 expansion/dlc?" like they were hoping for.

My point was never that the game specific trailers are more surprising. Quite the opposite. Almost no trailers are completely surprising, since they’re all made to be tailored to whatever fighter they’re revealing. The more stylized trailers get to do that but better since they’re less generic and draw more from their source material.

 

[NotGenerico]

Maybe I'm reaching but wouldn't they postpone it even further to include the last two characters if they used fire in their moveset?

That could be the case. This tournament was seemingly supposed to come out a little after Byleth's release, so the fact that they're doing it now is pretty weird. Maybe they decided to postpone it after selecting the characters for Fighter Pass 2? If that's the case, it'd make sense to wait until all characters with fire in their moveset are released.

 

[Shroob]

That could be the case. This tournament was seemingly supposed to come out a little after Byleth's release, so the fact that they're doing it now is pretty weird. Maybe they decided to postpone it after selecting the characters for Fighter Pass 2? If that's the case, it'd make sense to wait until all characters with fire in their moveset are released.

Fire Theory is even more dead than before.


My poor son..... at least I took out a nice life insurance policy on him.

 

[osby]

Fire Theory is even more dead than before.


My poor son..... at least I took out a nice life insurance policy on him.

Do we even know if all fire-using characters are in the tourney? Because that makes, like over 40 characters.

 

[7NATOR]

Fire Theory is even more dead than before.


My poor son..... at least I took out a nice life insurance policy on him.

Do we even know if all fire-using characters are in the tourney? Because that makes, like over 40 characters.

[Event] Flaming Fracas - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

It's only characters with Fire Special Moves. Regular attacks aren't counted. That's why Steve and Min Min aren't on here

And with that Knowledge, technically Fire Theory could still exist...it's just that likely none of the next 2 characters are gonna have Fire Special Moves. so Shroob you might not have to take out the life insurance just yet[/event]

 

[Shroob]

[Event] Flaming Fracas - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

It's only characters with Fire Special Moves. Regular attacks aren't counted. That's why Steve and Min Min aren't on here

And with that Knowledge, technically Fire Theory could still exist...it's just that likely none of the next 2 characters are gonna have Fire Special Moves. so Shroob you might not have to take out the life insurance just yet[/event]

On the contrary though, I find it say, something like Cinderace would undoubtedly use Pyro-Ball as its neutral or side-special, which would probably count out the rabbit in this regard.

 

[7NATOR]

On the contrary though, I find it say, something like Cinderace would undoubtedly use Pyro-Ball as its neutral or side-special, which would probably count out the rabbit in this regard.

Yeah, especially with the fact that this tournament seemed to have been held back this long, It seems Characters that would have Fire Special moves are not happening, so

No Cinderace
No Scorpion
No Sol Badguy
No Euden

 

[osby]

Yeah, especially with the fact that this tournament seemed to have been held back this long, It seems Characters that would have Fire Special moves are not happening, so

No Cinderace
No Scorpion
No Sol Badguy
No Euden

I think it's worth noting none of Terry's moves actually have a flame property, even though some of his specials clearly look like they should have a fire effect.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well it's more solidified with the tourney numbering. RIP characters who would have a fire move as a special.

 

[Bobthealligator]

The reason I didn't think it was Smash was the whole "Pyra is missing" thing which as the idea of Pyra and Mythra getting in Smash didn't really occur to me, made it being Smash not make sense. Similarly it didn't make sense as a sequel, as there's something in that trailer that shouldn't make sense at the end of the story, so I thought it was a warriors

 

[Shroob]

I think it's worth noting none of Terry's moves actually have a flame property, even though some of his specials clearly look like they should have a fire effect.

None of them have the quirk where the opponent's momentarily set on fire and release fire particles, right? They're classified more as projectile strikes.


I'm not super-familiar with GG, but would Sol be the only one on that list to fit Terry's description, or does Sol actively ignite his foes?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, I'm gonna try and see how easy it'd be to guess the character early on
Repeat of K.Rool's trailer despite the villain slideshow meaning nothing, you'd only tell as soon as the jiggy popped up at the earliest
Had they not been announced in a Smash presentation, they'd probably be called as it recreates an important scene in the game
Earliest you'd be able to tell is Eleven's horse if you're a diehard fan, otherwise it's the silhouette that gives it away when they save Link
Wouldn't be able to tell until the yellow eyes which doesn't specifically mean Incineraor
May have been assumed as a Splatoon 1 port
Nobody realized it was Smash until the invitation popped up
This trailer was also for New Horizons so it wouldn't be obvious it's even Smash
After the villain slideshow, people would be able to guess it, especially as it showed off DK afterwards
Started out at her restaurant, giving the game away
See Byleth
Dark sci-fi area with Alien vibes gave it away to me, Samus being the one in focus during the next shot helping less delusional people
Ken was shown before the splashline if you looked close enough
DUN DUN DUN DUN
The mummies and Medusa Head would have given it away had he not leaked
Took until the CGI to start
Would have been obvious by process of elimination had he not leaked

Honestly that's not too bad, only a handful being too obvious