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Good post. The other thing is that, with the advent of the ballot, people are now starting to argue that "Smash is a celebrating of video games as a whole" to justify adding an indie rep to justify adding Shovel Knight. Really?
http://smashboards.com/threads/rep-rep-repping-the-dk-series-icon-support-thread.377669/
No really, please bring up something else, I made a mistake that time.
I don't really follow people for the sake of finding things they've said to hold against them (that example just really stood out to me), so my only response with relation to the word 'logical' is...
Don't tell me you haven't pulled this card for DKC, Bkupa, or some variation thereof. Especially for a certain green crocodilian.
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...I don't think Xenoblade Chronicles or Fire Emblem are as groundbreaking as, say, other RPGs of its ilk. So, this whole importance to video game history thing? Kind of a wash.
And another thing I forgot to mention- false analogies are also used as people use obscure Nintendo franchises/characters as counterarguments when obscure third-party characters shouldn't be compared to them, but rather the third-party characters we got throughout Smash, who are all from major franchises and are all iconic to a wider gaming audience. Using Xenoblade and FE doesn't work because they are obscure Nintendo franchises in a primarily Nintendo-oriented crossover that has never been shy of using obscure Nintendo franchises (Mother and Ice Climber are examples of this).
I think your missing something, it's not a popularity poll, it's a box for suggestions with popularity factored in. That is why.
You said in your original post that the list was based on your research...then your explanations as to why certain characters were excluded from the list centred around a 'bad feeling'...then you state that as being logical when it is nothing more than your opinion...
What isn't logical is stating that Arle Naja, of all people, has better chances than K Rool to become a DLC character...
How did I know this was gonna come up? Like I seriously considered addressing the crocodile in the room in my initial post, even.
King K. Rool: There is no definite proof that this costume is a direct result of the ballot, and it honestly seems much more likely than it's some sort of pre-planned DLC based on pre-release popularity, considering the costumes it's paired with(Chrom and Lloyd, pretty popular pre-release, their popularity took a dive since then), the way it's advertized("Check out the retro costumes of King K. Rool and Flying Man!", "Dress up as the King of Kremlings!") without mentioning his ballot popularity at all, an the fact that Sakurai didn't say a word about him for two months despite the fact it caused an huge uproar in the community; if it meant anything for the chances of DK's mortal enemy, he would've said it straight up, looking at the precedents with Chrom and Ridley. And let's face it, this character is so popular they could put a machine that prints four 1$ bills every time he's purchased from the eShop and it would fill a room in the span of a day and half, they would be idiots if they retroactively excluded him because they already made a costume based on him.
If it is a suggestion box and he's going to put in whatever pleases him, then why on Earth does he declare than "It's going to be fanservice from now"? Unless he's considering fanservice any kind of content he's going to put in.
Eh I'd argue that Greninja, Roy and the stages are at least from established franchises (though FE wasn't an established franchise in Smash to be fair) whilst Splatoon is a new ip which so happened to be a hit.
The Inklings aren't from an established franchise, K. Rool was never as popular as he is now, and the descriptions mean nothing, Mario has a lot of representation, I think that other franchises deserve a chance, and Snake has had main series games on his consoles, and Pac-Man is one of Nintendo's most loyal 3rd party properties, so that doesn't work as an excuse for Cloud, on top of that there's a whole rumor about Shovel Knight being in the game, and an Amiibo, and also, you may want to rewatch the original announcement of the ballot and hear what Iwata-san says.
I fail to see the difference, save that you're narrowing it down to one character rather than a wider assortment. I'm guilty of thinking about K. Rool in this way too. I'd rather him get in than anyone else from DKC because (imo) he's wayyyyyyyyy cooler and more recognizable than most of the Kongs not named Donkey, Diddy, Dixie, or Cranky.
My thoughts pretty much exactly
People are funny aren't they?
uhhh where have you been. Indies have pretty much been a point of contention since the beginning of the ballot. Shovel Knight has especially been hated and Shantae hated more and more, especially after Wayforward's tweets.
To be fair, this is pretty much par for SmashBoards.
It's very inconsistent, some like them, some detest them.
Fair enough, I don't agree that Inklings shouldn't absolutely be added because they're "too new", but I can agree that it could be wiser to wait and see if they'll stand the test of time.
Explained my stance on Inklings above. K. Rool was actually always very popular, since the Brawl days; it just was that he had to divide the stage with a lot more characters, most of which got deconfirmed(Ridley, Chrom, Waluigi, Ghiraim...) or got in the game(Mega Man, Mewtwo, Roy, Bowser Jr., Palutena...) and who's left struggles to stand out against him. What I'm trying it that you get a lot more exposure when your competitors are Bandana Dee, Isaac and Paper Mario rather that when they were Ridley, Mewtwo and Mega Man. And yeah description matters because it's how a product is presented to the public, and this costume got presented as a mere cosmetic element with a retro flavour and no strong implications behind it.
Shovel Knight is not the most iconic indie, especially with Shantae around.
I'm more or less saying the comparison doesn't work very well.
That is not how that saying nor how cows work. I worry for your ability as a farmer and a writer.
I'd be a Turain writer. Not a human writer.That is not how that saying nor how cows work. I worry for your ability as a farmer and a writer.
I do agree with the actual beef of the argument though.
That's one heck of a metaphor.
Don't forget the argument concerning their lack of iconic status! That's the one I use all the time instead of newness.
&. It just made it more expansive as ever but it never really needed the guest fighters.
Well actually as I said before, that is the case, they're taking suggestions that could work but also factor inn popularity, and the characters I showed you before were pretty popular, (Puyo Puyo has actually managed to surpass the Sonic series in terms of sales globaly, and it hasn't even been released outside of Japan) Shovel Knight was pretty popular at the beginning of the ballot, so it does make sense for him to be in, heck, I originally thought that he wouldn't sell, but I was pretty suprised by how many people actually wanted him. So yes, it's not direct popularity but it's certainly a factor, and Shovel Knights Amiibo is actually being developed by YCG themselves, so that may be why there would be two. Well there you go.
Ah ok, thanks. Done my part now in voting for all the characters.
I want to know where this was pulled from because I think we'd know of a franchise that's sold beyond 150 million (Sonic's current total series numbers). Or are you talking general sales per game?
