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[Bhojj]

Maybe this is worth discussing?

https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635188962257190912

Chronology goes like this:

1. Almost a month ago the Layton fan twitter asked Layton's VA about Smash, since he appeared in IMDB.
2. VA denies it
3. Today, the VA on his own switches the old reply with a new one where he says he thinks that he did record lines for Smash
4. Apparently he said that to other user (or other Tweet of the Layton guy, not sure Edit: this is the case)
5. The VA Twitter was always private.

Possibilities:

a. He spilled the beans
b. He wants to **** with people
c. He is mistaken

I'm opting for c.

Since a long-standing VA should be used to NDAs.

 

[Deleted member]

Remember when it was believed Snake was confirmed because Reuben Langdon stated that he always wanted to voice Raiden and he got to do so in Smash?
Turns out he was mistaken and meant PSASBR.

I'm predicting a similar case with this Layton thing.

His updated response comes off as him assuming he's recorded lines for Smash based on extra pages in a recording session that he apparently didn't know what they were for.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Maybe this is worth discussing?

https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635188962257190912

Chronology goes like this:

1. Almost a month ago the Layton fan twitter asked Layton's VA about Smash, since he appeared in IMDB.
2. VA denies it
3. Today, the VA on his own switches the old reply with a new one where he says he thinks that he did record lines for Smash
4. Apparently he said that to other user (or other Tweet of the Layton guy, not sure Edit: this is the case)
5. The VA Twitter was always private.

Possibilities:

a. He spilled the beans
b. He wants to **** with people
c. He is mistaken

I'm opting for c.

Since a long-standing VA should be used to NDAs.

His tone honestly sounds like hes joking. IMDB has cited everyone from Fifty Cent to Liam Neeson to God working on Smash 4.

 

[Bhojj]

The IMDB part of it is the least important (not important at all actually).

This was his first reply.

https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635227459689029634

Feels weird, but who knows. Maybe he is just bad at this kind of jokes.

 

[Deleted member]

To me, it seems like this is what happened:

Someone credits Chris Miller as Layton for Smash on IMDB
-> Layton fan Twitter points this out and asks if it's true
-> Chris Miller wasn't aware he was being credited for such and denies it, believing he hasn't done voice work for Smash
-> 1 month passes and Chris Miller remembers a recording session that had an extra page for recordings he didn't know for what they were for
-> Chris Miller recalls that he was credited on IMDB as Layton for Smash
-> Chris Miller assumes that extra page was for that
-> Chris Miller updates his response to reflect his new assumption

 

[A Distant Demon]

something moderately interesting about the Layton thing is that the guy just made his twitter account private. I mean I dont think it is real but it is strange.

https://twitter.com/cmillercreative

 

[Deleted member]

Could this be the begining of a brand new wild goose chase Leak?

Or maybe we are looking too much into this.

 

[Bhojj]

To me, it seems like this is what happened:

Someone credits Chris Miller as Layton for Smash on IMDB
-> Layton fan Twitter points this out and asks if it's true
-> Chris Miller wasn't aware he was being credited for such and denies it, believing he hasn't done voice work for Smash
-> 1 month passes and Chris Miller remembers a recording session that had an extra page for recordings he didn't know for what they were for
-> Chris Miller recalls that he was credited on IMDB as Layton for Smash
-> Chris Miller assumes that extra page was for that
-> Chris Miller updates his response to reflect his new assumption

I fully agree with your view.

However, shouldn't the lines for Smash be quite different from the usual Layton stuff? Pain grunts and the like maybe?

Should be easy to tell if the lines were actually for a fighting game and act accordingly (By not saying anithing of course.)

Edit: Thinking about it, maybe he wasn't actually doing Layton for that.

 

[Senselessbreak]

I would love Layton to be in Smash! Sadly his support is not as vocal or large compared to other fighters (He could be preballot, but very very unlikely)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Kind of reminds me of Krystal's VA thing a while back.

Also reminds me of the Raiden VA slip up.

 

[Bhojj]

I would love Layton to be in Smash! Sadly his support is not as vocal or large compared to other fighters (He could be preballot, but very very unlikely)

Well, Level-5 are currently huge in Japan and have many dealerships with Nintendo. Not saying we can expect him to be in, but honestly it wouldn't be surprising in the context of ownership.

All the 3rd parties in the game are owned by companies with meaty dealerships with Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member]

Kind of reminds me of Krystal's VA thing a while back.

Also reminds me of the Raiden VA slip up.

You mean that one time in which Krystal's voice actress was confirmed to reprise her role for said character and everyone thought she was playable, only to be revealed that the recordings were just for the Smash Taunts in Lylat Cruise? I remember hearing about this in one of Chronobound's posts.

Also when did the Raiden voice thing happened?

 

[Senselessbreak]

You mean that one time in which Krystal's voice actress was confirmed to reprise her role for said character and everyone thought she was playable, only to be revealed that the recordings were just for the Smash Taunts in Lylat Cruise? I remember hearing about this in one of Chronobound's posts.

Also when did the Raiden voice thing happened?

Raidens voice thing happened before the Smash direct in april last year. He said he played Raiden in Smash, but meant Raiden in PS All Stars.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You mean that one time in which Krystal's voice actress was confirmed to reprise her role for said character and everyone thought she was playable, only to be revealed that the recordings were just for the Smash Taunts in Lylat Cruise? I remember hearing about this in one of Chronobound's posts.

Also when did the Raiden voice thing happened?

For Krystal: Yep.

For Raiden: Near last year's E3, we had Raiden voice actor saying he did work for Smash Bros. This caught everyone's attention and they all flipped the **** out with hype. Later he said he meant PSASBR.

 

[IsmaR]

She made the initial claim to have done voicework for Zero Suit Samus, Knuckle Joe and Krystal. It was later updated/rewritten as Krystal's role had not been shown pre-release.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What other voices does Chris Miller do?
Is it just Layton?

 

[Miikon]

Layton would be an interesting choice for a smash fighter, mainly because he doesn't seem like a brawler. But if Phoenix Wright can fight in MvC3, then Layton could possible work in a fighting setting too.
I do however believe the VA have misjudged something.

 

[Kenith]

Layton would be an interesting choice for a smash fighter, mainly because he doesn't seem like a brawler. But if Phoenix Wright can fight in MvC3, then Layton could possible work in a fighting setting too.
I do however believe the VA have misjudged something.

But doesn't he use a sword (oh no...) at one point?

 

[Ivander]

But doesn't he use a sword (oh no...) at one point?

He does. He actually did fencing before his main games, hence why he's awesome at fighting with both a sword and a metal pipe.

 

[Bhojj]

Well we better be prepared.

 

[Senselessbreak]

He does fence yes. I'd love Layton, but I'd be worried he'd fall into the Chrom territory of having nothing to offer as a basic sword fighter. He doesn't have magical abilities, so I'd worry for his moveset. He could use his hat and maybe bring Ema to help fight.

 

[APC99]

The problem keeping Ice Climbers from being back isn't fitting 8 working models on 3DS alongside ATs/Pokemon/stage hazards.

It's fitting 4 normal characters, along with 4 CPU fighters who must respond and work alongside their partner. Nana isn't a basic AI fighter, she has to wait for commands from Popo and still be capable of recovering / grabbing ledges / using items / throwing foes without input from Popo. Reducing polygons or framerate will not fix the problem that the 3DS can't handle Nana's AI without strain on the console. The 3DS (or even the New 3DS) is not capable of running Melee exactly as they were made, with a lot of sacrifices made to graphics, mechanics and overall content.

This is the same reason Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Sheik were separated (as well as the Pokemon Trainer, Squirtle and Ivysaur getting the boot), the 3DS just can't handle it. It can't handle loading a new character mid-game, or loading a very different AI that still has player input.

Now, in my honest opinion, we will see Ice Climbers back in the next Smash Bros. title, assuming that whatever console they're developed on is capable of running GameCube games at their original form (I'm talking handhelds, but I hope that Wii U's successor is powerful enough for Icies. If not, Nintendo's got some skewed priorities in the console market. )

Now, let's get onto more... pressing news. Bandanna Waddle Dee is apparently Top 5 material in Japan, just behind K. Rool, Inklings and Wolf. Does anyone else see him as a definite possibility now? I'm not saying "WADDLE DEE CONFIRMED", but I'd like to see what people think, and get some discussion on how he'd play and be different from others.

 

[AEMehr]

Weird for Chris Miller to bring it up again but hey if Layton's in I know I'll play as him.

 

[Miikon]

Now, let's get onto more... pressing news. Bandanna Waddle Dee is apparently Top 5 material in Japan, just behind K. Rool, Inklings and Wolf. Does anyone else see him as a definite possibility now? I'm not saying "WADDLE DEE CONFIRMED", but I'd like to see what people think, and get some discussion on how he'd play and be different from others.

Smash works similar to Kirby platformers, in which Bandana/Waddle Dee has a moveset, so he/she/it is a plausibel option. The question is: Can he sell as DLC to people who aren't in favor of his/her/its inclusion?

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Maybe they couldnt work on a tight development cycle, but they were already finished on both versions, and the development team has had nearly a year now to figure out a compromise to get them to work. They wouldn't throw something out with so much work put into them, without giving it another go.

Besides, if we can assume the two remaining preballot slots are both veterans, and Wolf is one of them. That leaves 6 possible choices for the spot. Ivysaur and Squirtle probably won't get in unless the other does. Young Link is replaced by Toon Link. Snake was cut for issues with Konami. Pichu is the only other realistic choice that could happen, but we just got a DLC Pokemon rep, so maybe, maybe not.

Ice Climbers are finished, just requiring tweaking to get to work. Again Sakurai said he tried his best during the main games release to get them to work, but that was under the pressure of a tight development frame, alongside 50 other characters. Theres a lot more freedom and less stress now.

I know this is dead and everything but yeah sakurai literally tried to cut gravity from the 3ds version of smash and couldn't get the ice climbers to work.I think it's safe to assume that there gone this time around

 

[BluePikmin11]

He does fence yes. I'd love Layton, but I'd be worried he'd fall into the Chrom territory of having nothing to offer as a basic sword fighter. He doesn't have magical abilities, so I'd worry for his moveset. He could use his hat and maybe bring Ema to help fight.

In fencing, there are a lot of defensive and counter strategies involved. Each of the players concentrate hard to strike the opponent’s target area without leaving themselves open to hitting.

This can translate to his being a more defensive character that has a variety of ways to counter the opponent. Layton is known to think and solve puzzles in as many ways as he can, so it certainly stays true to his character while keeping him interesting and making him stand out from other characters currently in the game. It’s something I definitely see happening if he’s planned since a fan did mention fencing to Sakurai in a gaming talk show. He is also known to be a skilled craftsman, from creating a slot machine gun, to a catapult, to a hang glider. This could be used for defensive strategies and to make his moveset stand-out more. I recommend going to the support thread to see more moveset ideas.

Copied and pasted from my article. He certain provides enough to make for a unique fighter.

 

[Senselessbreak]

In fencing, there are a lot of defensive and counter strategies involved. Each of the players concentrate hard to strike the opponent’s target area without leaving themselves open to hitting.

This can translate to his being a more defensive character that has a variety of ways to counter the opponent. Layton is known to think and solve puzzles in as many ways as he can, so it certainly stays true to his character while keeping him interesting and making him stand out from other characters currently in the game. It’s something I definitely see happening if he’s planned since a fan did mention fencing to Sakurai in a gaming talk show. He is also known to be a skilled craftsman, from creating a slot machine gun, to a catapult, to a hang glider. This could be used for defensive strategies and to make his moveset stand-out more. I recommend going to the support thread to see more moveset ideas.

Copied and pasted from my article. He certain provides enough to make for a unique fighter.

I hope so, his gadgets could be fun, and Sakurai could maybe bring some of his logic puzzles into play somehow.

 

[BluePikmin11]

NVM New Update:

* Azura:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394435x0fdC4839-15

* Goku (Yuyuki):
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394437xB0a9426a-15

* Master Hand:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394458x649F2E6A-15

* Metal Face:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394441x717A47ed-15

* Pokemon Trainer:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394447xe10f4E1B-15

* Solo Ice Climber:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394449xc1d45b7A-15

* Tabuu:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394452xf658417a-15

* Toon Sheik:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll394443xA85d7a8e-15

Go vote!

 

[Kenith]

What other voices does Chris Miller do?
Is it just Layton?

In terms of video games, yes, it's just Layton.
That's noteworthy, anyways.
However, he's in a movie called Ephraim's Rescue.
Ephraim confirmed.

 

[Sid-cada]

In fencing, there are a lot of defensive and counter strategies involved. Each of the players concentrate hard to strike the opponent’s target area without leaving themselves open to hitting.

This can translate to his being a more defensive character that has a variety of ways to counter the opponent. Layton is known to think and solve puzzles in as many ways as he can, so it certainly stays true to his character while keeping him interesting and making him stand out from other characters currently in the game. It’s something I definitely see happening if he’s planned since a fan did mention fencing to Sakurai in a gaming talk show. He is also known to be a skilled craftsman, from creating a slot machine gun, to a catapult, to a hang glider. This could be used for defensive strategies and to make his moveset stand-out more. I recommend going to the support thread to see more moveset ideas.

Copied and pasted from my article. He certain provides enough to make for a unique fighter.

Um... you do realize that Marth's entire play style is based around fencing, right? That's why he has the tipper.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Difference is that his playstyle involves more on the tipper, Layton would not focus on that aspect. Plus the way his fencer is used is different from that of using a blade. Plus, he has the use of his handcrafted tools that can be used as projectiles too, different from Marth.

How about this, think of it as non-tipper Marth with use of projectiles and many counters.

 

[Kenith]

Marth's fighting style is very much fencing really.
Although generally fencing is done with rapiers, not daggers. >.>

 

[Schnee117]

many counters.

RIP players that can't deal with counters.

 

[Ivander]

Why have Layton with a sword when he can have a Metal pipe? Heck, he fought with one twice in the series. Well, if people don't want him to be a swordfighter. He could be a piper instead.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Why have Layton with a sword when he can have a Metal pipe? Heck, he fought with one twice in the series. Well, if people don't want him to be a swordfighter. He could be a piper instead.

Only if he'd Pied.

 

[Starphoenix]

Layton wouldn't be a bad choice for DLC, but I feel like his popularity has waned. If he gets in there has to be a Yoko Shimomura remix of one of his tracks. Just has to be.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

something moderately interesting about the Layton thing is that the guy just made his twitter account private. I mean I dont think it is real but it is strange.

https://twitter.com/cmillercreative

Well then....

Thats really really interesting

 

[Doctor3AM]

This goes against Sakurai's rules of conduct (Very important gaming icons) but who knows, maybe Nintendo went out and secretly purchased Level 5

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

This goes against Sakurai's rules of conduct (Very important gaming icons) but who knows, maybe Nintendo went out and secretly purchased Level 5

It'd be a pretty smart business move, you know since the whole Yokai Watch thing is a thing.

 

[Kenith]

This goes against Sakurai's rules of conduct (Very important gaming icons) but who knows, maybe Nintendo went out and secretly purchased Level 5

I don't think Sakruai has ever directly said "very important gaming icons".