- Joined
- Aug 7, 2012
- Messages
- 9,582
- Location
- Buffalo, New York
- NNID
- ScoliosisxJones
- 3DS FC
- 1762-3194-1826
Unless you know, there's high enough demand to add Snake. Which there appears to be based on numerous polls.You missed the point. Look at all the third party content, including the Mii Fighter costumes. They are all from Sega, Capcom and Namco. Nintendo would not go out of their way to get specific rights to Llyod or Virtual Fighter for a $1 costume. It would not be worth it. We can thus surmise that Nintendo has access to a lot of content from these publishers outside of the specific series in Smash. Nintendo does not have rights to use Konami characters or Snake so they would have to go out and do that just to add Snake for Smash as a DLC fighter. Its a lot more work than is needed for extra content.
Well if Toad is so special, why did Rosalina and Jr. beat him out? Why couldn't E.Gadd do the same?Again, you missed the point. Shulk is the protagonist of his series, one which sparked quite a big campaign to be brought over to the States. The game went on to sell the best in the US, despite a limited release, and led to a sequel. Within his own series, Shulk is very important and he is well known to those who played his games. E Gadd is small part of a larger series. To compare, the equivalent would be asking for Riki over Shulk. Also, Rosalina and Bowser Jr. are very important in the series they are from. If you've played a Mario game since 2007, you have likely seen both of them.
Riki over Shulk is like E.Gadd over Toad? Yeah right. That's not a good comparison. If I were asking for E.Gadd over Mario, sure. But it's Toad. Toad has already been looked past for other Mario characters anyway. Not to mention comparing Xenoblade to Mario is bad in the first place because of how drastically different the two franchises are.
From what you're saying, even if Toad has the lamest moveset imaginable and E.Gadd has something great, Toad should be added? That's stupid.
The movement to bring those games stateside was great...yet the campaign doesn't suddenly mean everybody knows who Shulk is. He's still a relatively obscure character. As you said, he's well known to those who have played his game...obviously. Those who haven't wouldn't know him.
The problem is you see trees, not forest. As a result, you missed the underlying concept. The concept is this:
1)Third parties are not easy to get since you need to negotiate, and likely pay, to be able to use that character (duh. I know that, but thanks for insulting me. doesn't make your point any stronger)
2)While uniqueness is not unimportaint, it is not more important than recognition and can not be used in lieu of it. (would Rosalina and Jr. over Toad not prove this wrong? Or are those two, as important as they are, more iconic than Toad? importance does not equate to recognition)
Would a large group of trees not BE a forest?What you pointed out were instances where those do not see to be the case at first glace. At first glace, Nintendo has to get the rights to Street Fighter. But when you notice the Mii Fighter costumes which are from numerous third party series, you'll see that it actually support my point. Ryu was added because Nintendo could get the rights to Capcom character far easier than other publishers. Shulk seems like he contradicts my point until you realize that Shulk is incredibly importation in his own series.
With 3rd parties, there will always be contractual obligations. It's clear that there were deals made to have plenty of content from the companies. However, none of that matters with my point. There is simply zero evidence that they wouldn't add another 3rd party. Zero. They've even said the Ballot is open to any video game character who meets the criteria.
The series itself is hardly recognizable to people who didn't support the localization project or followed it.
Here's the thing with C Tier characters. Who else is left who could arguably be considered an A- B tier character?Its also why Sakurai could add both Robin and Lucina since they are major players in the Fire Emblem franchise (with Awakening being the best selling game in the series). Uniqueness matters which is why those two beat out Chrom (although he was considered), but recognition is why they used characters from Awakening in the first place.
To further emphasize the last point, a character needs to be unique, but also recognizable. The reason I criticized your original point is you were doing the same thing you criticized, just from a different perspective. Sakurai is naturally discriminatory with characters which is how he maintains a strong quality in the roster. Yes, we do play with the characters which is why they should be unique, but fans do not want to play with C tier characters because they are more "unique" than the characters we want.
...
We're at the point where there's maybe one or two Wario level characters left. K.Rool is a popular pick to the Smash fans, as are Isaac and others. Nobody needs to meet the level of Mario...unless you're a 3rd party character. You can't hold 3rd parties to the same standards as a 1st party, mainly because of Sakurai's own words on the icon status of a 3rd party has to be. For another 3rd party character to get added, they have to have that. Snake or Rayman meet that. Sakurai wouldn't have added Snake in the first place if he didn't feel he met that requirement.[/quote]
Last edited: