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[CBO0tz]

That's your opinion, not logic.

And I've heard a wide range of users here discuss everyone from Quote to Commander Video.

True, but I think people aren't as vocal about them because nobody knows what they would do in Smash.

This is part of why Shovel Knight looks like such a good Fighter. His moves are literally what he uses in the game. That's part of his reason for popularity.

If Quote(who I really like as a character now) and Commander Video used a variety of moves that looked suitable for a Smash game, I would think that a lot more people would support them more.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That's all fine-and-dandy, but an indie game getting recognized by Nintendo is nothing new.

Shovel Knight can wait his turn, because under your logic, there's a whole list of indies ahead of him.

Since the Wii U's release, there has been lots of close ties with indie developers with many events like Nindies at PAX. I can't remember the last time I saw Nintendo taking indies this seriously before 2013, it's definitely something new for Nintendo and something I could see
influence a character's chances like Shovel Knight greatly.

There are even articles detailing their relationship, such as this one to show that it's noteworthy.

 

[False Sense]

Since the Wii U's release, there has been lots of close ties with indie developers with many events like Nindies at PAX. I can't remember the last time I saw Nintendo taking indies this seriously before 2013, it's definitely something new for Nintendo and something I could see
influence a character's chances like Shovel Knight greatly.

There are even articles detailing their relationship, such as this one to show that it's noteworthy.

Well, that's nice for Nintendo and all, but does that matter to Sakurai?

 

[Wintropy]

I really don't care about indies either way (in terms of Smash - I love independent games in themselves), or third-parties in general.

I just think it'd be disconcerting if Sakurai passed on first-party characters that have more history with Nintendo and consistent support for the sake of "repping" what's new and popular.

 

[CBO0tz]

Well, that's nice for Nintendo and all, but does that matter to Sakurai?

It must, since he said the Smash ballot was for people to vote for their favorite video game character.. I'm assuming you otherwise don't make that sort of ballot in a game where you're only going to make DLC from other games you've made.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Well, that's nice for Nintendo and all, but does that matter to Sakurai?

Honestly, would Sakurai really care about this at all when he's considering his ballot choices?

Huh, that's pretty ironic in hindsight. Same question, slightly different context.

Anyway, I don't think indies matter too much to Sakurai. He has a high degree of judgement when it comes to character inclusion, and indies probably don't fit the criteria.

Nor do most third parties.

 

[~Skelly~]

Whether we get SK, a "more deserving" third party, or more Nintendo characters is still unknown to us.

I'm not going to go into debates with any of you regarding whether or not a character should or shouldn't be in the game because in the end, it's all up in the air. It's anyone's game.

We are only three days away (my time) from the ballot closing. Like I said, it's anyone's game. Who KNOWS who we are going to get.

Whether your a K. Rool, Isaac, Shantae, Wolf, or some other character's supporter I have but one thing to say to each and everyone of you:


Brace for impact.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

It has been a long wait for Smash fans to see who Masahiro Sakurai picks from the Smash Ballot. I hope the characters we do get are well built (From a developer's viewpoint) and fans of said characters are happy with their character(s).

 

[BluePikmin11]

Huh, that's pretty ironic in hindsight. Same question, slightly different context.

Anyway, I don't think indies matter too much to Sakurai. He has a high degree of judgement when it comes to character inclusion, and indies probably don't fit the criteria.

Nor do most third parties.

I doubt he cares more about how people would react at all when he added many other additions many that briefly angered a minority. Why should he more concerned with reactions with DLC, it's not any different.

Even then, him adding Shovel Knight would not make him concerned about the reactions because he is a highly requested character in the ballot now who would likely assume that his addition will please the large amount of fans that voted for him.

 

[Wintropy]

I doubt he cares more about how people would react at all when he added many other additions many that briefly angered a minority. Why should he more concerned with reactions with DLC, it's not any different.

Because DLC is a business practice and costs money, both for the producer and the consumer.

Ticking off the consumer isn't just spiteful, it's daft business.

Even then, him adding Shovel Knight would not make him concerned about the reactions because he is a highly requested character in the ballot now who would likely assume that his addition will please the large amount of fans that voted for him.

At the expense of incensing fans of other characters who have just as much, if not more, support?

I dunno, Blue. I'd be pretty cheesed off if the character I'd supported for over a decade got jilted in favour of the new, pretty character that isn't even directly related to Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member]

Both sides are making too many exaggerations here.

 

[Wintropy]

Both sides are making too many exaggerations here.

I think it's an exaggeration in itself to say there are even "sides", heh.

 

[Lord-Zero]

It'd certainly anger the Japanese who supported characters that had much longer history with Nintendo. They were mad when Takamaru was relegated to AT status. Adding a completely unknown, relatively new character that has no real ties with Nintendo would raise hell in Japan.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it's an exaggeration in itself to say there are even "sides", heh.

It's an exaggeration to say there's a Pro-SK side and Anti-SK side?

 

[Wintropy]

It's an exaggeration to say there's a Pro-SK side and Anti-SK side?

It is as far as I'm concerned.

I'm totally impartial towards Shovel Knight.

Pretty sure most people here are.

I just think it's an interesting discussion going on.

 

[ErenJager]

Anti-SK member checking in.

Looking for team mates so we can do a circle jerk.

 

[The Novice Sword]

I mean, I'd be lying if I said I'd be happy if Shovel Knight ends up in Smash. But I'd also be lying if I said I wouldn't buy it.

 

[The Light Music Club]

If we get SK. I hope we get Lip, Ayumi, Donbe and Hikari, or Idolmaster character. I'd much rather us get a Japan only character than a western one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

At the expense of incensing fans of other characters who have just as much, if not more, support?

I dunno, Blue. I'd be pretty cheesed off if the character I'd supported for over a decade got jilted in favour of the new, pretty character that isn't even directly related to Nintendo.

Well, the ballot isn't about pleasing the most fans with the character with the most requests. For sure he'll pick characters that are currently fair high in votes and take it into deep consideration, but not automatically add the highest ranking video-game characters just because they are the highest ranking.

The ones who actually care about "iconicness" are the minority, as there are a tremendous amount of fans who voted for SK, Shantae, Bayonetta, and many other non-iconic characters who didn't consider iconicness otherwise. He would still be pleasing most of the Shovel Knight fans.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not against Shovel Knight's inclusion by any means, but there are other characters that I'd prefer to have on the roster, both first and third party.

 

[Deleted member]

Adding a relatively unknown

Fixed.

He has a bit of a following in Japan that want the game localized that most likely have played the available non-localized version on Steam.

 

[Lord-Zero]

Another interesting thing: The Yacht Club Games-made amiibo would be pretty pointless if there's a "better" Smash version of him coming. That would mean that YCG wasted money and resources on it since most people would just wait for the Smash version.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I don't see the true point in arguing this. I mean it's obvious we would all be a little bummed if a character we have zero connection to gets picked...

Which is why most of the "popular characters" like Isaac, Inkling, Shovel Knight, and Dixie Kong disinterest me.

 

[Wintropy]

Well, the ballot isn't about pleasing the most fans with the character with the most requests. For sure he'll pick characters that are currently fair high in votes and take it into deep consideration, but not automatically add the highest ranking video-game characters just because they are the highest ranking.

I never said that that's the case.

I just think you have unreasonable expectations for what constitutes a "popular" or "fanservice" character.

The ones who actually care about "iconicness" are the minority, as there are a tremendous amount of fans who voted for SK, Shantae, Bayonetta, and many other non-iconic characters who didn't consider iconicness otherwise. He would still be pleasing most of the Shovel Knight fans.

I never said anything about "iconicness" either.

I said that I'd be disappointed if Sakurai disregarded fan demand (which is as much about consistency as it is quantity) in favour of a character that is, relatively speaking, a blip on the radar.

Yeah, he'd please the Shovel Knight fans, but what about the K. Rool fans, Isaac fans, Dixie fans, Toad fans and every other fanbase that's been supporting their character for years? That has to count for something.

And please don't say the Mii costumes have to be seen as "consolation prizes". There's nothing to verify that that's the case and I hope Sakurai knows it isn't what fans really want.

Incidentally, didn't you try to justify Jibanyan's chances of being in Smash because he's an icon?

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't know why you're bringing up Jibanyan, Jibanyan is arguably not only an huge icon (at least in Japan), he's also one of the most requested characters in Japan to be considered from Sakurai.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Another interesting thing: The Yacht Club Games-made amiibo would be pretty pointless if there's a "better" Smash version of him coming. That would mean that YCG wasted money and resources on it since most people would just wait for the Smash version.

I've been saying this for a while now, and I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it.

I REALLY don't see Nintendo pushing a SK amiibo when one already exists. Doesn't it seem like that'd be TOO much for a 3rd party? Especially since the only other characters to have 2 amiibo are Mario and the gang?

 

[Wintropy]

I don't know why you're bringing up Jibanyan, Jibanyan is arguably not only an huge icon (at least in Japan), he's also one of the most requested characters in Japan to be considered from Sakurai.

You said most people don't care about "iconicness".

Even though you cited it as the very reason why this third-party character that's barely recognised in the west is a huge contender.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, he'd please the Shovel Knight fans, but what about the K. Rool fans, Isaac fans, Dixie fans, Toad fans and every other fanbase that's been supporting their character for years? That has to count for something.

No matter what happens, most of those fans are going to go without.
Is it really better to make other fans go without just to spare those fans' feelings?

 

[Skyblade12]

I don't know why you're bringing up Jibanyan, Jibanyan is arguably not only an huge icon (at least in Japan), he's also one of the most requested characters in Japan to be considered from Sakurai.

Jibanyan was brought up because:

The ones who actually care about "iconicness" are the minority, as there are a tremendous amount of fans who voted for SK, Shantae, Bayonetta, and many other non-iconic characters who didn't consider iconicness otherwise. He would still be pleasing most of the Shovel Knight fans.

"Jibanyan is an icon."
"The minority are the only ones who care about 'iconicness'."

You have a double standard. If it's a character you like/support, you happily ignore YOUR OWN RULES to argue why they should be in.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

R.I.P. Chibi Robo. With all the cult votes he had gotten until this day in addition to his many games, there's a definite chance that Nintendo would pull the plug on the franchise if Zip Lash were to flop next month. Skip put so much care into their games, yet they sell so little and fail to capture that mainstream audience. I've got to say that as as Chibi Robo fan, this might as well be one of the darkest years in history.

It'd certainly anger the Japanese who supported characters that had much longer history with Nintendo. They were mad when Takamaru was relegated to AT status. Adding a completely unknown, relatively new character that has no real ties with Nintendo would raise hell in Japan.

I remembered that day, good times. Too bad his once loyal support more or less died over there and the West to a lesser extent.

 

[Wintropy]

No matter what happens, most of those fans are going to go without.
Is it really better to make other fans go without just to spare those fans' feelings?

Nope, and I didn't say it is.

What I'm saying is, why is Shovel Knight more "deserving" than these characters that have more (fan-created) criteria to their names?

Because there's a chance for a higher profit margin for Nintendo?

Oy vey.

And we're making exaggerations...~ ;3

 

[LIQUID12A]

he's also one of the most requested characters in Japan to be considered from Sakurai.

Funny that one of the most requested characters doesn't break the top 10 according to careful research.

Unless, you know, he's not as requested as you think or believe.

 

[False Sense]

I don't know why you're bringing up Jibanyan, Jibanyan is arguably not only an huge icon (at least in Japan), he's also one of the most requested characters in Japan to be considered from Sakurai.

The ones who actually care about "iconicness" are the minority.

Blue, if you're going to take a stance on an issue, please be consistent with it.

It looks really bad when you dismiss one argument only to use the same argument when it favors you.

 

[Lord-Zero]

I've been saying this for a while now, and I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it.

I REALLY don't see Nintendo pushing a SK amiibo when one already exists. Doesn't it seem like that'd be TOO much for a 3rd party? Especially since the only other characters to have 2 amiibo are Mario and the gang?

It'd cannibalize the sales of the YCG-made SK amiibo for sure. It'd look bad for the first "licensed" amiibo and Nintendo's attempt to get more "indies" to ask for amiibo.

 

[LIQUID12A]

You have a double standard. If it's a character you like/support, you happily ignore YOUR OWN RULES to argue why they should be in.

This so hard.

Another factoid that I brought up during RTC to explain why you(Blue) only cared to defend certain longshots even when a supporter of a viable longshot stood in front of you.

"Nah, too many problems for me to defend."*

Because it's not worth defending something ya don't want, right? Even when helping it would benefit your "unpopular characters" argument, huh?

*not actual wording

 

[The Light Music Club]

Funny that one of the most requested characters doesn't break the top 10 according to careful research.

Unless, you know, he's not as requested as you think or believe.

Me thinks we need an Ashley costume then. One on par with the Viridi one...

I might actually use miis now. Viridi was the first costume I've purchased.

Shantae, Isaac, and SK could make for good mii costumes. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen.

 

[Wintropy]

BluePikmin11 , I'm going to save everybody here a headache and say I'm not convinced by your reasoning and I don't think this discussion is going to yield anything but bitter fruit.

I really don't care about Shovel Knight either way. The only thing I care about right now is that the ballot ends with a minimum of fuss and somebody's happy.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Funny that one of the most requested characters doesn't break the top 10 according to careful research.

Unless, you know, he's not as requested as you think or believe.

Oh hi there, random Cloud Strife! When's the last time your canon Final Fantasy VII titles been on a Nintendo console?

#BlackMageForMasterRace

 

[Skyblade12]

It'd cannibalize the sales of the YCG-made SK amiibo for sure. It'd look bad for the first "licensed" amiibo and Nintendo's attempt to get more "indies" to ask for amiibo.

The Shovel Knight amiibo is an experiment. It costs Nintendo practically nothing (since Yacht Club are making the things), and it lets them gauge the response and how well it sells. Which will then guide them in licensing out amiibo to other indies and third party developers.

None of which have anything to do with Smash Bros.. And, since this is still an experiment, banking on its success with a new character, new amiibo, and new content is not a great idea. Especially since the game hasn't even been released in Japan (and the fact that Japanese gamers can get a non-translated version on Steam [ie: Not a Nintendo console] doesn't help).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Funny that one of the most requested characters doesn't break the top 10 according to careful research.

Unless, you know, he's not as requested as you think or believe.

Now besides that


Thats why i the king is more likely than dixie kong in my opinion because japan wants him the most and usa as well



Oh now to shift us off subject

Any word from shinyquagmire23 yet?

I want to know if the dude was a liar or not.