Official DLC Character Discussion Thread - Read the new sticky/announcement

[LIQUID12A]

"It's Smash, of course he's going to sell well."

It's really not a valid reason to add a third party if this is all you're relying on. A character should have merits on their own, not because "Smash is a perfect way to sell things".

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Did we get Ridley after saying that making him a fighter would be "Nearly impossible."

I'd rather not be reminded....

 

[False Sense]

That's what I thought when I first heard about the Shovel Knight rumor, someone then came out and said to me, "It's Smash, of course he's going to sell well."

Well, that's a terrible excuse. Just saying a character will sell well by virtue of being Smash DLC is essentially saying they can make whatever character they want, disregarding what fans actually want, and it'll still sell. It's a pretty poor argument to fall back on when justifying a character's inclusion.

 

[NintenZ]

Well, that's a terrible excuse. Just saying a character will sell well by virtue of being Smash DLC is essentially saying they can make whatever character they want, disregarding what fans actually want, and it'll still sell. It's a pretty poor argument to fall back on when justifying a character's inclusion.

Well wait, that wasn't what he said, here let me find out what it was, I'll be a minute. Considering how poor it was I'll just have to see what it was.

 

[Burruni]

I'd rather not be reminded....

I'M SORRY, DUSTERS.
HE WAS JUST ONE OF THE MOST NOTEWORTHY EXAMPLES.

Also, I don't consider Snake a case of Sakurai "Going back on his word," for one major reason.
Kojima approached Sakurai about Snake in Smash back in Melee, but it was too late for things to worked on, especially with the tight schedule Melee was already on.

 

[Deathlightning21]

It really seems like we're focussing a lot on Third Party DLC candidates nowadays. What, did all the First Party candidates die off?

They aren't famous enough.

 

[False Sense]

They aren't famous enough.

And some of these Third Party suggestions are?

 

[Deathlightning21]

And some of these Third Party suggestions are?

Apparently according to the loud people >.>

 

[Burruni]

They aren't famous enough.

That's right.
We need to discuss Cranky Kong.
Because...

 

[NintenZ]

Okay, I found it, "Considering how popular of a game Smash is, putting Shovel Knight in the game could help boost sales of his game in other regions of the world, while also introducing it to new audiences, particularly Japan."

 

[False Sense]

Okay, I found it, "Considering how popular of a game Smash is, putting Shovel Knight in the game could help boost sales of his game in other regions of the world, while also introducing it to new audiences, particularly Japan."

From what we can tell, Smash doesn't add characters for the sake of publicity. Of course it would be good for Shovel Knight's exposure, but that can apply to pretty much any character and isn't the purpose of DLC.

 

[LIQUID12A]

The only reason we are fixated on third parties right now is because of the whole Shovel Knight fiasco.

The instant the whole thing blows over, first parties will return to the spotlight since there's no really noteworthy third parties to talk of outside of Snake and Rayman.

 

[Burruni]

Okay, I found it, "Considering how popular of a game Smash is, putting Shovel Knight in the game could help boost sales of his game in other regions of the world, while also introducing it to new audiences, particularly Japan."

That's saying that putting him in Smash would raise interest in Shovel Knight, the game, in other countries.
Not that Shovel Knight intrinsically is a blockbuster fighter.
People get into Smash because they're cult classes, major successes,.... or just a special kinda quirky bit of Nintendo's history that Sakurai had fondness over.
Not the other way around.

 

[Zerp]

Why do people think we're at the bottom of the barrel? Not all the big important characters have big fanbases, out of first parties that are important but don't have much support I can name Ganon, Dark Matter, Magolor, Pigma, Cranky Kong, Tingle, Wart, Vaati, Fawful, Birdo, Mew, Meowth, and Tom Nook all off the top of my head, and I assure you there's plenty more than that. Only thing I'm worried about in the future is cuts, but I'm assuming by that time technology would have advanced enough that wouldn't be a problem.
Edit: Mispelled Cranky Kong as Kranky Kong. Ironically, it kinda sounds like something K. Rool would do .

 

[Aetheri]

Okay, I found it, "Considering how popular of a game Smash is, putting Shovel Knight in the game could help boost sales of his game in other regions of the world, while also introducing it to new audiences, particularly Japan."

Still poor reasoning. This can be said about any game represented in Smash...even still Fire Emblem was 'this' close to being a dead franchise until recently despite being apart of Smash since Melee...

 

[Solbliminal]

The only reason we are fixated on third parties right now is because of the whole Shovel Knight fiasco.

The instant the whole thing blows over, first parties will return to the spotlight since there's no really noteworthy third parties to talk of outside of Snake and Rayman.

.....Bomberman!?

 

[Burruni]

Why do people think we're at the bottom of the barrel? Not all the big important characters have big fanbases, out of first parties that are important but don't have much support I can name Ganon, Dark Matter, Magolor, Pigma, Kranky Kong, Tingle, Wart, Vaati, Fawful, Birdo, Mew, Meowth, and Tom Nook all off the top of my head, and I assure you there's plenty more than that. Only thing I'm worried about in the future is cuts, but I'm assuming by that time technology would have advanced enough that wouldn't be a problem.

Granted.... some of those are C to D list choices.

But the fact is there are plenty of good 1st Party choices. Not a lot of A-Ranks BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN ALREADY, but a fair number of B's such as K. Rool, Inklings, Ganon, etc., then you get some sizable named C-lists like Isaac, Bandana Dee, FINALLY AN ADVANCE WARS FIGHTER, etc.

.....Bomberman!?

This one, right?

 

[Wolfie557]

Snake the highest?

Whoa they're, didn't you read the news?
http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/18/konami-calls-it-quits-on-aaa-console-games-reports-say/

Konami is done with AAA games snake is one of them.

I know. But he is a veteran 3rd party and I just don't think indies are as likely.

 

[NintenZ]

From what we can tell, Smash doesn't add characters for the sake of publicity. Of course it would be good for Shovel Knight's exposure, but that can apply to pretty much any character and isn't the purpose of DLC.

That's saying that putting him in Smash would raise interest in Shovel Knight, the game, in other countries.
Not that Shovel Knight intrinsically is a blockbuster fighter.
People get into Smash because they're cult classes, major successes,.... or just a special kinda quirky bit of Nintendo's history that Sakurai had fondness over.
Not the other way around.

Still poor reasoning. This can be said about any game represented in Smash...even still Fire Emblem was 'this' close to being a dead franchise until recently despite being apart of Smash since Melee...

Still, they'd be included out of popularity, and it would be an example of Nintendo colaborating with other developers. And also, that's true, but then again, it wasn't decided from the fans. Or should I say, suggested.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Why do people think we're at the bottom of the barrel? Not all the big important characters have big fanbases, out of first parties that are important but don't have much support I can name Ganon, Dark Matter, Magolor, Pigma, Kranky Kong, Tingle, Wart, Vaati, Fawful, Birdo, Mew, Meowth, and Tom Nook all off the top of my head, and I assure you there's plenty more than that. Only thing I'm worried about in the future is cuts, but I'm assuming by that time technology would have advanced enough that wouldn't be a problem.

>important
>pigma
>wart
>Birdo

could argue a few of those other ones aren't important either. . .

You know Lyn is pretty important being the first lord to make it out of japan

 

[Solbliminal]

Granted.... some of those are C to D list choices.

But the fact is there are plenty of good 1st Party choices. Not a lot of A-Ranks BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN ALREADY, but a fair number of B's such as K. Rool, Inklings, Ganon, etc., then you get some sizable named C-lists like Isaac, Bandana Dee, FINALLY AN ADVANCE WARS FIGHTER, etc.

This one, right?

Oh right. That thing. Guess I better go back to my first party choices again...

 

[LIQUID12A]

Still, they'd be included out of popularity

Most people here would flip a table if Shovel Knight's popularity justification didn't apply to characters like King K. Rool.

 

[Burruni]

Oh right. That thing. Guess I better go back to my first party choices again...

Ahem.
We need CDi Zelda.
The most heartless of all Nintendo females.

 

[A Distant Demon]

To be quite honest a "popular by region" decision would not surprise. . .just those choices would. If it was say K rool for NA, Bandana Dee for Japan and. . . IDK Rayman for Europe I could totally believe that. But Arle, Shovel Knight and layton as region reps? naw man.

 

[KimKarsmashian]

These are the 1st party characters I think still have calling power:
- K. Rool (duh)
- Ridley
- Isaac
- Krystal
- Bandanna Dee
- Inkling
- Ganon

If Nintendo focuses on new IPs, we could see stuff from there. I would love for new franchises to get represented.

 

[Burruni]

To be quite honest a "popular by region" decision would not surprise. . .just those choices would. If it was say K rool for NA, Bandana Dee for Japan and. . . IDK Rayman for Europe I could totally believe that. But Arle, SHovel Knight and layton as region reps? naw man.

Inklings for Europe.
In spite of them getting the absolute worst Splatfests.

 

[Wolfie557]

I don't see Ganon part of the list above ^^.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

These are the 1st party characters I think still have calling power:
- K. Rool (duh)
- Ridley
- Isaac
- Krystal
- Bandanna Dee
- Inkling
- Ganon

If Nintendo focuses on new IPs, we could see stuff from there. I would love for new franchises to get represented.

I agree with all of these. (Captain) Toad belongs to that list too imo.

 

[False Sense]

These are the 1st party characters I think still have calling power:
- K. Rool (duh)
- Ridley
- Isaac
- Krystal
- Bandanna Dee
- Inkling
- Ganon

If Nintendo focuses on new IPs, we could see stuff from there. I would love for new franchises to get represented.

Think you could add Wolf to that list.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Snake the highest?

Whoa they're, didn't you read the news?
http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/18/konami-calls-it-quits-on-aaa-console-games-reports-say/

Konami is done with AAA games snake is one of them.

"Konami is done with AAA games, so Snake has no chance of being in Smash."

"King K. Rool is a costume, so he has no chance of being in Smash."

In case you don't get the analogy, it's very close-minded to think that a simple change of circumstances completely shatters their chances. Just wait for things to play out.

 

[NintenZ]

To be quite honest a "popular by region" decision would not surprise. . .just those choices would. If it was say K rool for NA, Bandana Dee for Japan and. . . IDK Rayman for Europe I could totally believe that. But Arle, Shovel Knight and layton as region reps? naw man.

As third-party region reps, not first-party. This may be because of how popular the third-party option is. Maybe we should move on to something else though. This topic is getting kind of heated.

 

[LIQUID12A]

As third-party region reps, not first-party. This may be because of how popular the third-party option is.

Third party region reps.

That would mean at least adding three more third parties for the sake of pleasing a separate region. Not only is it pointless, but a waste of development when you could spend that same time making characters that appeal to all regions and kill several birds with one stone.

I'll drop it here.

 

[Wolfie557]

As third-party region reps, not first-party. This may be because of how popular the third-party option is. Maybe we should move on to something else though. This topic is getting kind of heated.

Back to DLC [returning] stages, anyone?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

We should just get Wolf, K. Rool and Inklings, that way we have characters that are highly requested worldwide. Also, all this talk about third party region reps and poor Australia gets nothing.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Third party region reps.

That would mean at least adding three more third parties for the sake of pleasing a separate region. Not only is it pointless, but a waste of development when you could spend that same time making characters that appeal to all regions and kill several birds with one stone.

I'll drop it here.

It's not pointless when that specific region could make the character sell big.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Back to DLC [returning] stages, anyone?

Nah, this is DLC character discussion.

What "unpopular" characters do y'all think has the highest chance of making it?

I'm banking on a Ray model from Custom Robo. Probably Mk III, but hoping for Ray 01. I think that since Ray has appeared in Smash before, he'd at least be in Sakurai's mind, and Sakurai may see the character as a really fun addition to the game. Being able to utilize all the different CR tools would be great. Plus, while it's waning nowadays, Ray had massive support in Japan for a while, and is still in top 25 according to a poll posted a few pages back.

 

[LIQUID12A]

It's not pointless when that specific region could make the character sell big.

Yet as I said in the original quote, why make a character that appeals in one region when you can make one that can sell well in most if not all regions and double, maybe triple the sales, if that's what ultimately matters most(which it doesn't, it's also about pleasing fans)?

 

[NintenZ]

As far as Mii Costumes go I have two predictions. The first one is Isaac from Golden Sun as a Swordsman, and the second one is Alex Kidd as a Brawler.

 

[Wolfie557]

Nah, this is DLC character discussion.

What "unpopular" characters do y'all think has the highest chance of making it?

I'm banking on a Ray model from Custom Robo. Probably Mk III, but hoping for Ray 01. I think that since Ray has appeared in Smash before, he'd at least be in Sakurai's mind, and Sakurai may see the character as a really fun addition to the game. Being able to utilize all the different CR tools would be great. Plus, while it's waning nowadays, Ray had massive support in Japan for a while, and is still in top 25 according to a poll posted a few pages back.

Fair point XD.

Gonna go with Chibi-Robo. He's cute and Nintendo is at least somewhat regularly making games for him.
He's just got some new potential moves from his new Zip-Lash game and I feel he would be one of those quirky 'surprise/wtf' character additions.

Plus he fun in Super Smash Flash 2, but i don't agree with that projectile catching thing. It's Villagers job tho I guess two characters able to do that may be interesting...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yet as I said in the original quote, why make a character that appeals in one region when you can make one that can sell well in most if not all regions and double, maybe triple the sales, if that's what ultimately matters most(which it doesn't, it's also about pleasing fans)?

Those kinds of characters that appeal to all regions is rare though. We rarely get something gets high popularity in every region like Mewtwo for example.