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Being a clone isn't the only reason he's hated, he comes from a small series, and is a character created by Sakurai, and his appearence is just a black color swap of Pit. Ganon may have been a Falcon clone, but at least he wasn't a black color swap of Falcon named Dark Falcon on top of being a clone. I'm fine with Lucina, Dr. Mario should have looked like this,
What move does Ike have that Marth has? counter? does that mean that shulk is also a marth clone? or is it just because he's from the same series?TBH though, if theirs one clone people can be justified in complaining about, it's Dark Pit.
Tier 5 (Can't even be called a Clone, only has 1 move similar to another character)
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Did you not read the "Can't even be called a Clone" part?
TBH though, if theirs one clone people can be justified in complaining about, it's Dark Pit.
Docplays a lot differently than Mario now that Mario had some changes to his moveset in Brawl and that Doc is a more powerful yet slower version of Mario. Lucina's lack of tipper and her sword being powerful across her blade makes her different than Marth even if she's really cloney (is that even a word lol). Dark Pit doesn't really have anything going for him really other than having a different neutral B and some other very small differences that you would hardly ever see while playing. Every clone in Smash history felt different than their originators to some degree and yet DP is the only one that's almost literally the same as his originator. Honestly, Alph could have been done a lot better as a clone character with his rock Pikmin moveset and he would still be pretty different to Olimar than DP is to Pit.
Also, here's how I would rank all of the Smash clones in terms of how unique they are from their originators.
Tier 0 (Full Clone, might as well be an alt)
Tier 1 (Almost a Full Clone)
Tier 2 (Almost a Semi-Clone)
Tier 3 (Semi-Clone)
Tier 4 (Quasi-Clone)
Tier 5 (Can't even be called a Clone, only has 1 move similar to another character)
I didn't know Palutena's Bow and Silver Bow had different properties in Uprising, I just read some things about them and Palutena's Bow is a bit stronger and Silver Bow has more homing, it's literally the opposite in Smash... this makes no sense.
Now that's just silly.
Did somebody say Oni?
Upperdsah arm also does 50% more damage than the electroshock (according to divinipedia) in KIU but in smashbut they deal the same dmg.
Did somebody say Oni?
People overly worried about clones don't tend to play a lot of other fighting games, I find. The number of variations on Ryu's moveset in SFIV (Oni, Ryu, Evil Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Sakura, Dan. I might be missing one) put the Marth family to shame.
It makes sense from a developmental perspective.
Did somebody say Oni?
People overly worried about clones don't tend to play a lot of other fighting games, I find. The number of variations on Ryu's moveset in SFIV (Oni, Ryu, Evil Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Sakura, Dan. I might be missing one) put the Marth family to shame.
I love Dark Pit to death but if that was possibility I agree with you. But to be honest that might not have been possible. There were clear issues with getting Olimar to work on the 3DS version. making a clone of a character that already had dev problems probably (I dont know) would have been much harder or even impossible with what little dev time they probably had compared to a Pit clone. Now if hat one worker had made a model for rock pikmin instead of an electroshock arm in his spare time who knows.
Would be awesome, because he's a bad*** and sooo evil. Just watch the anime. Not to mention F-Zero would have 2 reps.Now that's just silly.
A red color swap named Blood Falcon on the other hand....
... I don't find right put Wolf as more clone than Luigi.Luigi is a straight up original character. Him and clone ain't even in the same vein for him anymore. He only shares two specials (Neutral and Up+B and one has different abilities) and minute normals (Bair, DSmash and Nair)
Putting him with Lucas and Wolf is an insult to Luigi to where the tern Luigification exist, where he comes from a full clone to a straight original character. Especially considering he has his flutter jump now
Here's the situation
Variation (rarely no difference ever)
Clone
Evil Ryu/Devil Jin Syndrome (Almost the same character but much more aggressive and powerful than the normal character)
Semi-Clone
Quasi-Clone
Original Character
Here're the big differences, I believe.
, , , or (with some dispute) but with far more differentiation in the moveset itself with mostly original A moves and largely unique Smashes. is too unique of a character in comparison to to have ANYONE on the same tier as him as of yet. It isn't JUST in the amount of moveset differentiation in hitboxes and animations, it's in the felt difference and Luigi is about as much of a clone in gameplay as or
Biggest issue for me with Wolf comes from how he still has that Star Fox character stigma despite being different
Ao Oni?Did somebody say Oni?
They would have more knockback and spawn rarer than purple Pikmin.
This, I feel may have been overplayed.
Why, why did you have to involve that monstrosity in this thread? ;_;Ao Oni?
Sean too.Did somebody say Oni?
People overly worried about clones don't tend to play a lot of other fighting games, I find. The number of variations on Ryu's moveset in SFIV (Oni, Ryu, Evil Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Sakura, Dan. I might be missing one) put the Marth family to shame.
We actually do. Sakurai refers to clones as "model swap characters" and costumes as "palette swaps". Alph was meant to make the jump to actual clone like Dr. Mario, Dark Pit and Lucina did, but it was deemed nonviable for development. Olimar was hard enough to implement on the 3DS already, let alone making a clone of him.
Wait. Mewtwo was cut to add Wario, or was I reading that wrong?
He's saying that in order to get Wario in Melee, he would've had to cut Mewtwo or the FE characters, giving a concrete example about how it was the clones or nothing.
Oh, okay. I thought he meant in Brawl.
Inb4 we get only clones for DLC...
Possibly...contrary to popular belief dev time is still limited and if Sakurai maintains the idea that he wants to 'make as such DLC as possible,' while resources are somewhat limited compared to pre-release development, it is very likely we'll see a few clone/semi-clones...the two most likely characters that fit this mold being Dixie and Impa...so far we only got one unique newcomer out of four characters, two of those being semi-clones...
I suppose that Sakurai would want to maximize on making as many DLC characters as possible, so I wouldn't be surprised if we got another semi-clone along with a newcomer or two.
Last minute doesn't really make a lot of sense in DLC. The deadlines are much more relaxed.
Which further testifies why Mewtwo is such a badly balanced character. Both in Melee and Smash 4, whoop di whoop!
