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Yeah, it's definitely never been a rule that only one unique fighter per franchise is allowed, and even if we have less fighters this time around I don't see why that would change. Especially since K Rool and Dixie are nothing alike, and she's also popular, relevant and has moveset potential. Dixie stands on her own as a potential newcomer
Dark pit still has his staff final smash so no, plus it would be a shame to not use dixie's guitar, especially seeing as DK no longer uses his bongos
I think it could be a taunt, victory animation or final smash. Or even all 3. Besides as far as final smashes go Dixie doesn't have much to go on, I could perfectly imagine her playing her guitar and sending out shockwaves of pink staffs (is that what they're called? the lines with the music notes? whatever) to blast away opponents
We absolutely would! And there's no reason she shouldn't be. besides even if she's an echo Diddy's final smash would make absolutely no sense for her and would need to be changed just like Chrom and Dark Pit have.
Ugh, queen of destroying gender roles
Considering we already got a dk character then if she's unique she'll probably be one of the last, if an echo she'll probably be next tbh. There's only 4 months left though, we haven't got to wait too long, plus they're revealing everyone before the game comes out which is nice.
Yeah, that's true QUEEN status right there! You go guuuuurl! More women should be inspired to be like Dixie.
4 months aren't that long considering we have been waiting for ages now, but the wait will be for nothing if she's not in the game. If that's the case I will stop my study to become a teacher and I will spend the rest of my life somewhere in a jungle without media and electricity and everything else that's comfortable :-D
That's what I loved about her too! When I was a kid I was honestly annoyed by most female characters in videogames but Dixie was sooo cool! She immediately became not only my favorite character of the dkc series but also my favorite among female characters in general. It was so funny that dk and diddy both got kidnapped by k.rool and she was the only one defeating him twice without being captured.
This, there's reasons the echoes are echoes.
Well yeah but Richter is still classified as the echo even though they were likely developed in tandem and share moves from both of their origins
It’s probably because Simon is essentially the poster boy of Castlevania
Thank you! I am frankly tired of reading again and again the same thing about Dixie being an Echo, when she is clearly deserving of a unique spot, or a semi-clone at worst (see: Lucas)
seems like a stretch tbh, the track doesn't even originate from DKC3
This is exactly what Dixie was for me too. In my early gaming days picking there weren't many cases in which you could both play as a girl character AND be as capable as the male characters. I remember for a long time I even had the headcanon that Tails was a girl because I liked how I could play as Tails and do something Sonic couldn't do (fly). The only other case I got to play as a girl was Peach in SMB2, but then after this game Peach was still the princess that needed rescuing and it kept me as a whole from liking princess characters.
I think we shouldn't be seeing echoes as less important characters, but moreso just as development shortcuts being taken by a rather overworked set of developers.
That’s nonsense! Echos can have unique taunts and victory animations... though Diddy doesn’t have his boom box
The current Echos are important, yes, but as I mentioned, they were most likely ONLY considered and added because they COULD be Echoes. If Lucina wasn't so easy to implement, she would not be in. Sakurai said she was lucky she did. Same thing with Dark Pit. Look at the newer ones: Richter, Daisy, Chrom, Dark Samus. They're all popular, yeah, but I frankly don't see them making it into the game as non-Echoes: they only did because they are popular enough AND share assets with existing characters.
Still don't think you see where I'm going. You're seeing the development process from the perspective of character importance, design, and all that jazz. Which is definitely a factor in the process, BUT not the only one.
Having Dixie as an echo would severely disservice the character and all the fans that want her BECAUSE she’s unique. It wouldn’t feel like Dixie at all if she controls the same as diddy. Using Dark Samus for comparison is a bad example regardless of the situation, because more people actually want Dixie and are more long term smash fans anyway. If Dixie got in she’d be unique, or at least a semi-clone, not an echo. Like many people have said, the characters that are echoes exist because IT WORKS. Just go look at Diddy’s moveset and tell me you want to screw both characters over when that moveset doesn’t remotely work for dixie. It goes completely against her character, which is why she has to be unique. Besides, seeing as Sakurai is a stickler for details, it would probably hurt him more to include her as an echo, than not have her in at all.
The whole character plan was proposed in one go. Time constraints appear as development goes. Dixie, if she is in, was likely decided to be unique or not when the character plan was made, so her development time, if any, is not taking from anything else. This is the point I'm trying to make: character importance and priorities were decided in one go and ONLY under exceptional circumstances a unique character would be downgraded to an Echo. From this point of view, I fail to see the developers sitting down in 2015 and thinking they should make Dixie an Echo to free character space and save development time. They judged their importance back then and that was a deciding factor on whether she would make it in and in what form.
Seems like using Dark Samus is a bad example in this case because you care about Dixie and not Dark Samus, honestly. You seem to imply that Dixie fans are true smash fans but Dark Samus fans aren't, sounds a bit rude to Dark Samus fans tbh.
Character plan being proposed in one go doesn't mean they won't consider factors like time, cost, nor does it mean that the plan they set out in 2015 went to swimmingly well that EVERYTHING in it happened exactly as planned.The whole character plan was proposed in one go. Time constraints appear as development goes. Dixie, if she is in, was likely decided to be unique or not when the character plan was made, so her development time, if any, is not taking from anything else. This is the point I'm trying to make: character importance and priorities were decided in one go and ONLY under exceptional circumstances a unique character would be downgraded to an Echo. From this point of view, I fail to see the developers sitting down in 2015 and thinking they should make Dixie an Echo to free character space and save development time. They judged their importance back then and that was a deciding factor whether she would make it in and in what form.
You are judging this from the point of view of "oh she can be an Echo, so let's make her one to free time to make room for more unique fighters". In your own way, you are also prioritizing character importance. Make room for more unique fighters? You imply there that other characters do deserve to be unique. There are not many absurdly significant (Nintendo) characters that deserve to be in. Dixie definitely does, so why can't she be unique? Why does her moveset potential has to be sacrificed in order for someone else to make it into the game? She can be unique because she has moveset potential and is important, popular, requested and relevant enough to be so.
And again, you cannot compare her to the other Echos. None of them have contributed as much to their respective series as Dixie Kong has. Echoes are added to increase the roster size with popular, yet not overly significant characters, and their fans should be happy they were included. If assets were not shared with other characters, they wouldn't have made it. Dixie Kong is not like any of these, and her being considered for Brawl is proof of this, the plan of which did not consider Tropical Freeze and was likely heavily weighted on her contributions to the DKC era.
Let's agree to disagree
Noted. And also, I don’t hate Dark Samus, I just think she doesn’t compare to Dixie in terms of popularity, pontential, and relevance (which we know is a deciding factor for many characters that make the cut). And I think I can say that just about anyone who wants Dixie, wants the unique moveset that she could have.
I'll only ask you this: why does Dixie have to be an Echo? Do we have a valid reason outside of "she can share assets with Diddy Kong"? Because I am quite sure that's not the only factor considered during development when deciding who'll be an Echo. I assure you, if Dixie Kong was a completely different-looking character, none of these discussions would arise, because people would only look at character potential. Much like Geno or Isaac, who don't share proportions with anyone for the most part and are not even close to being considered as Echoes.
....Does Dark Samus really count, though?
