Dixie Kong's Barrel Of Support Spirits. Farewell Everyone, Thank You ALL For Making This Thread An Excellent Place For DK Fans!

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So when Dixie Kong is announced which DK character will you support next? For me, I would love Lanky Kong to be in, although far more likely I would love if Cranky would be in also.

Tiny Kong for me, though I would obviously have to vouch for Cranky and the Funk as well since general support will naturally shift to them first.

 

[KingZing]

I really doubt that just replacing her Up-B, final smash and/or dash will be classified as an Echo and will do her justice.

Dark Samus says hi!
Oh and on another note, I said it elsewhere but I really see a K. Rool stage + Dixie echo reveal in the next Direct very likely.

 

[Empty Number]

Ultinarok

Ha! Great game if you can get past him though. Kiddie isn't the most appealing Kong, but I don't mind him so much.

Also BirthNote , would you add me to the "Support Buddies" list?

 

[Arcadenik]

So when Dixie Kong is announced which DK character will you support next? For me, I would love Lanky Kong to be in, although far more likely I would love if Cranky would be in also.

When Dixie Kong finally gets in Smash as a playable fighter, I would start feeling more open-minded toward the idea of Cranky Kong or Funky Kong getting in Smash as playable fighters but I can live without them.

Donkey Kong Jr. as a playable fighter would get me hyped though.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

Dixie will probably be unique if she’s in, as her competition is fairly small with all the deconfirmations. We’re left with skull kid, Isaac, Geno, and Bandana Dee (maybe shantae as well) fighting for unique spots in that roster, and Dixie has relevance, legacy, and popularity over both Isaac and skull kid. If we were getting 3-4 more full blown newcomers Dixie would have priority over both of those two, especially since Sakurai is finally acknowledging that donkey Kong exists with new remixes, K. Rool, and Klap Trap. Also I’m thinking if we got an echo from DKC, it would be funky because he actually could work as one (just change a move or two to the board), whereas Dixie has to be unique so people have reasons to play her as opposed to diddy. Either she’s unique in the base roster, or she’s unique DLC. I want Dixie to really be Dixie, not just “Diddy but a girl”.

 

[VeemonTamer]

Updated the OP once more with @spoilerowl and @SchAlternate , welcome inside!

Also tweaked and expanded on a few sections of the OP. Here's the biggest change:

Awesome job! I only have one request if you think it's a dumb idea please disregard. Would it be possible to move the support list number to the top of the page right under the pic used as the opener? Reason being we have threads keeping track of supporters now and I think it would be easier acsess for visitors collecting data for research and reports. Also, I'm like super proud of how big the support list is getting and imo would be nice if that's one of the first things people see when they enter our barrel.

 

[BirthNote]

Ultinarok

Ha! Great game if you can get past him though. Kiddie isn't the most appealing Kong, but I don't mind him so much.

Also BirthNote , would you add me to the "Support Buddies" list?

You're already in! You're 14 spaces above Glaciacott (the most recent highlighted member). Not including Johnknight1, I've highlighted every 50th member of the Barrel; John's an OG supporter so I made him distinct by giving him a different highlight, and I counted from the following user to go by every multiple of 50.

EDIT: Empty Number I made a HUGE mistake. You're already in, but I confused you with Ultinarok. You're actually one of the oldest members of the barrel: 5 entries after Oracle_Summon (the 1st to get the highlight), making you the 56th member to join. Sorry about that.

 

[Juliusaurus]

Dixie will probably be unique if she’s in, as her competition is fairly small with all the deconfirmations. We’re left with skull kid, Isaac, Geno, and Bandana Dee (maybe shantae as well) fighting for unique spots in that roster, and Dixie has relevance, legacy, and popularity over both Isaac and skull kid. If we were getting 3-4 more full blown newcomers Dixie would have priority over both of those two, especially since Sakurai is finally acknowledging that donkey Kong exists new remixes, K. Rool, and Klap Trap. Also I’m thinking if we got an echo from DKC, it would be funky because he actually could work as one (just change a move or two to the board), whereas Dixie has to be unique so people have reasons to play her as opposed to diddy. Either she’s unique in the base roster, or she’s unique DLC. I want Dixie to really be Dixie, not just “Diddy but a girl”.

I understand the need and want for a unique fighter, but with the last four unique reveals... they've all been major heavy hitters. And I'm starting to think the unique newcomers might only be heavy hitters. Which, I hate to say, but Dixie, at least compared to K. Rool, is not as much a heavy hitter (and for that matter, neither is Isaac or Bandana Dee... Skull Kid and Geno maybe, because of the games they come from and the magnitude of demand in the past, but even then I'm unsure compared to the unique newcomers we've gotten so far). Don't get me wrong, I feel like Dixie deserves a spot on the roster more than K. Rool even, always have (heck, I voted for her and only her in the ballot!!), but when it comes to unique newcomer reveals that get trailers, there's a level of prestige and hype for those sorts of characters, at least so far. They have to be big deals, not just for the fans, but for everyone watching. I don't think Dixie can be that, I'm sorry, but I feel her best chance right now is an Echo, and y'know, with what we know and what we don't know about Diddy currently and what Echoes can do, it's really not that big of an issue, to be honest. It can do her justice.

Once we all see her with her unique animations, her gumball popgun, and twirling her ponytail around acting all cute and fun... we'll all be very happy, I can be sure of that.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

I understand the need and want for a unique fighter, but with the last four unique reveals... they've all been major heavy hitters. And I'm starting to think the unique newcomers might only be heavy hitters. Which, I hate to say, but Dixie, at least compared to K. Rool, is not as much a heavy hitter (and for that matter, neither is Isaac or Bandana Dee... Skull Kid and Geno maybe, because of the games they come from and the magnitude of demand in the past, but even then I'm unsure compared to the unique newcomers we've gotten so far). Don't get me wrong, I feel like Dixie deserves a spot on the roster more than K. Rool even, always have (heck, I voted for her and only her in the ballot!!), but when it comes to unique newcomer reveals that get trailers, there's a level of prestige and hype for those sorts of characters, at least so far. They have to be big deals, not just for the fans, but for everyone watching. I don't think Dixie can be that, I'm sorry, but I feel her best chance right now is an Echo, and y'know, with what we know and what we don't know about Diddy currently and what Echoes can do, it's really not that big of an issue, to be honest. It can do her justice.

Once we all see her with her unique animations, her gumball popgun, and twirling her ponytail around acting all cute and fun... we'll all be very happy, I can be sure of that.

I’m not one for having a character get taken so far from their roots. I’d rather have her be DLC than take away the things that make her unique. It won’t make people who played DKC 2 and 3, or even Tropical Freeze happy, but rather confused. With the other echoes it’s different. They all work, it was their only chance, and it doesn’t trigger fans. If everyone here sat down and played smash 4 with Diddy Kong, they’d realize how disappointing it would be if she’s an echo. The only Dixie would ever be an echo is if so many people are giving up on her, and besides, what heavy hitters do you think we’ll get that outshine Dixie? If you’re referring to third party, then I hope we don’t get anyone else at all, because at this point, the only deserving third parties are crash and banjo who I know will only end up being dlc if they’re in at all.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I understand the need and want for a unique fighter, but with the last four unique reveals... they've all been major heavy hitters. And I'm starting to think the unique newcomers might only be heavy hitters. Which, I hate to say, but Dixie, at least compared to K. Rool, is not as much a heavy hitter (and for that matter, neither is Isaac or Bandana Dee... Skull Kid and Geno maybe, because of the games they come from and the magnitude of demand in the past, but even then I'm unsure compared to the unique newcomers we've gotten so far). Don't get me wrong, I feel like Dixie deserves a spot on the roster more than K. Rool even, always have (heck, I voted for her and only her in the ballot!!), but when it comes to unique newcomer reveals that get trailers, there's a level of prestige and hype for those sorts of characters, at least so far. They have to be big deals, not just for the fans, but for everyone watching. I don't think Dixie can be that, I'm sorry, but I feel her best chance right now is an Echo, and y'know, with what we know and what we don't know about Diddy currently and what Echoes can do, it's really not that big of an issue, to be honest. It can do her justice.

Once we all see her with her unique animations, her gumball popgun, and twirling her ponytail around acting all cute and fun... we'll all be very happy, I can be sure of that.

The last characters revealed for smash 4 were Shulk and Robin though, I don't think they care that much, especially considering they got the biggest heavy hitters out of the way first, who can possibly top ridley, simon or k rool?

 

[Ghostwolf35]

I’m not one for having a character get taken so far from their roots. I’d rather have her be DLC than take away the things that make her unique. It won’t make people who played DKC 2 and 3, or even Tropical Freeze happy, but rather confused. With the other echoes it’s different. They all work, it was their only chance, and it doesn’t trigger fans. If everyone here sat down and played smash 4 with Diddy Kong, they’d realize how disappointing it would be if she’s an echo. The only Dixie would ever be an echo is if so many people are giving up on her, and besides, what heavy hitters do you think we’ll get that outshine Dixie? If you’re referring to third party, then I hope we don’t get anyone else at all, because at this point, the only deserving third parties are crash and banjo who I know will only end up being dlc if they’re in at all.

Dixie is just seen as an "extra"(Like Toad or Daisy) DK character, or "Diddy with a ponytail" by a lot of people, and I feel that might cause Sakurai and the development team to prioritize others newcomers over her. I think the best Dixie could get at this point is a semi-clone. But I feel her biggest competition was Bandanna Dee for that "4th character from a big, but not huge platformer" rep. And since Bandanna Dee is more popular(Maybe not in the west but it's close, and definitely in Japan), I don't like Dixie's chances. They seem to be going for fan favorites, and even though Dixie has decent popularity, there are other characters like Skull Kid, Geno, and Issac, that seem to have more support.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

The last characters revealed for smash 4 were Shulk and Robin though, I don't think they care that much, especially considering they got the biggest heavy hitters out of the way first, who can possibly top ridley, simon or k rool?

Exactly. No one can ever beat reveals like that, especially when K. Rool was number one to most people at the time of his reveal. This is why I think Dixie will be unique if she’s in at all. The competition barely exists and from what I’ve seen, Shantae is far more popular than Skull Kid right now (with the Shovel Knight assist trophy reveal). I think the logic most people are using for that right now is “weren’t Shantae and Shovel Knight neck and neck in the ballot days? It’d be odd to have one be repped and the other not even get anything at all.”

 

[BirthNote]

Man I really hope Sakurai didn't see those Diddy mods and go "Well, if this is what Dixie's fans want then I might as well do the same for her." THAT would make me mad; it's exactly that self-fulfilling prophecy that Arcadenik mentioned.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

So when Dixie Kong is announced which DK character will you support next? For me, I would love Lanky Kong to be in, although far more likely I would love if Cranky would be in also.

Cranky! He'd basically be psdo-Scrooge McDuck; which is one of those few fourth party characters that I'd welcome with open arms. Plus; he could have a arcade donkey kong based moveset; which would also be very cool!

I dunno about you guy's but Dixie seems like she'll get in as a Luigi or maaaaybe Wolf situation; last minute. Would you be okay with that?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Exactly. No one can ever beat reveals like that, especially when K. Rool was number one to most people at the time of his reveal. This is why I think Dixie will be unique if she’s in at all. The competition barely exists and from what I’ve seen, Shantae is far more popular than Skull Kid right now (with the Shovel Knight assist trophy reveal). I think the logic most people are using for that right now is “weren’t Shantae and Shovel Knight neck and neck in the ballot days? It’d be odd to have one be repped and the other not even get anything at all.”

"Chrom will be unique when he's in!"
"Dark Samus will be unique when she's in!"

No. Just because you want her to be unique doesn't mean she will be. Lucina doesn't even fight like she does in her home game, so it's not a stretch to say Dixie won't end up with the same fate. Fact of the matter is she shares a very similar body type to Diddy, and with Diddy not using his tail in his attacks so far and Chrom showing echo characters can have one or two moves different, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if she's revealed as an echo. Heck, in her own games, she doesn't play that different to Diddy anyway, why should she in Smash?

 

[pepiux]

I understand the need and want for a unique fighter, but with the last four unique reveals... they've all been major heavy hitters. And I'm starting to think the unique newcomers might only be heavy hitters. Which, I hate to say, but Dixie, at least compared to K. Rool, is not as much a heavy hitter (and for that matter, neither is Isaac or Bandana Dee... Skull Kid and Geno maybe, because of the games they come from and the magnitude of demand in the past, but even then I'm unsure compared to the unique newcomers we've gotten so far). Don't get me wrong, I feel like Dixie deserves a spot on the roster more than K. Rool even, always have (heck, I voted for her and only her in the ballot!!), but when it comes to unique newcomer reveals that get trailers, there's a level of prestige and hype for those sorts of characters, at least so far. They have to be big deals, not just for the fans, but for everyone watching. I don't think Dixie can be that, I'm sorry, but I feel her best chance right now is an Echo, and y'know, with what we know and what we don't know about Diddy currently and what Echoes can do, it's really not that big of an issue, to be honest. It can do her justice.

Once we all see her with her unique animations, her gumball popgun, and twirling her ponytail around acting all cute and fun... we'll all be very happy, I can be sure of that.

Are there any big heavy hitters from Nintendo left, though? Dixie is not comparable to Ridley, Simon et al., but of what's left she's at the top, along with Bandana Dee, maybe Isabelle, who is now forgotten due to leakers' comments in favor of the new Skull Kid bandwagon.

She just ticks all the boxes: long history with Nintendo, star and co-star, relevancy, recognition, popularity, etc. I wouldn't say a fan-demand only character like Geno would trump all of that. (Not saying Geno won't be in, but I just don't believe popularity is the ONLY deciding factor).

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

"Chrom will be unique when he's in!"
"Dark Samus will be unique when she's in!"

No. Just because you want her to be unique doesn't mean she will be. Lucina doesn't even fight like she does in her home game, so it's not a stretch to say Dixie won't end up with the same fate. Fact of the matter is she shares a very similar body type to Diddy, and with Diddy not using his tail in his attacks so far and Chrom showing echo characters can have one or two moves different, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if she's revealed as an echo. Heck, in her own games, she doesn't play that different to Diddy anyway, why should she in Smash?

Except chrom has no moveset potential and Dark Samus is irrelevant and dead without being as popular as someone like K Rool. Absolutely no one claimed chrom would be unique if he's in.

Dixie has neither of these problems.

 

[StormC]

The last characters revealed for smash 4 were Shulk and Robin though, I don't think they care that much, especially considering they got the biggest heavy hitters out of the way first, who can possibly top ridley, simon or k rool?

Except now there are no secret characters, so going out with a bang is only logical.

I can think of one character who can top Ridley, Simon, and K. Rool.

Two actually.

 

[pepiux]

"Chrom will be unique when he's in!"
"Dark Samus will be unique when she's in!"

No. Just because you want her to be unique doesn't mean she will be. Lucina doesn't even fight like she does in her home game, so it's not a stretch to say Dixie won't end up with the same fate. Fact of the matter is she shares a very similar body type to Diddy, and with Diddy not using his tail in his attacks so far and Chrom showing echo characters can have one or two moves different, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if she's revealed as an echo. Heck, in her own games, she doesn't play that different to Diddy anyway, why should she in Smash?

Same arguments as before.

1. Lucina would have never made it into the game if Echoes were never a thing. Sakurai himself said so. You cannot compare the contribution of Lucina to Fire Emblem to that of Dixie Kong to DK.

2. Having the same body-type as other characters does not mean she HAS to be one.

3. No, we don't know if Diddy lost his multihit tail jab attack. Why is this argument still being thrown around?

4. We should not settle for the worst in regards to our favorite character. Fan demand brought in K. Rool and Ridley. Why should we settle for an Echo? Dixie fans tend to be really quiet and accepting of anything.

5. Dixie deserves to have a unique moveset and we should stay positive about it.

 

[StormC]

4. We should not settle for the worst in regards to our favorite character. Fan demand brought in K. Rool and Ridley. Why should we settle for an Echo? Dixie fans tend to be really quiet and accepting of anything.

Well, there's not much to be done about it now, unless she isn't in the game and we campaign for DLC, I suppose.

I personally think in terms of unique fighters for base game, what's left is a combination of the following:

-Incineroar
-Isaac
-Geno
-Skull Kid
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Bandana Dee

So maybe not all super heavy hitters like the four we've had so far, but pretty notable regardless.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

Same arguments as before.

1. Lucina would have never made it into the game if Echoes were never a thing. Sakurai himself said so. You cannot compare the contribution of Lucina to Fire Emblem to that of Dixie Kong to DK.

2. Having the same body-type as other characters does not mean she HAS to be one.

3. No, we don't know if Diddy lost his multihit tail jab attack. Why is this argument still being thrown around?

4. We should not settle for the worst in regards to our favorite character. Fan demand brought in K. Rool and Ridley. Why should we settle for an Echo? Dixie fans tend to be really quiet and accepting of anything.

5. Dixie deserves to have a unique moveset and we should stay positive about it.

This. Everyone who says Dixie needs to be an echo or it’s not happening uses the same “well Dark Samus and Lucina” arguement every time, and its getting annoying. Dixie is more popular, relevant, and lasted longer than any of these characters that people seem to bring in an argument against Dixie. For them it was either echo or not happening. Everyone knows that Dixie has a chance of being unique and refuses to accept it because “character (x) needs to be unique over Dixie” even though she is one of the top competitors for a real newcomer.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Dixie doesn't NEED to be an echo. But neither did most of the actual echoes.

And honestly, one of the reasons Dixie has been so popular this speculation period is specifically because of echoes. People believe she can get in - As an echo. A lot of the support around her are based specifically on the idea she's probably going to be an echo.

 

[Dixie Kong]

If she DOES get in as an echo, we need to keep supporting her so she can get in the next game also, and as a more unique character!

 

[DeltaSceptile]

Dixie doesn't NEED to be an echo. But neither did most of the actual echoes.

And honestly, one of the reasons Dixie has been so popular this speculation period is specifically because of echoes. People believe she can get in - As an echo. A lot of the support around her are based specifically on the idea she's probably going to be an echo.

That’s the problem. People choose to believe she can only be an echo. Those of us who choose to think that she can be more are going to be able to say “I told you this would happen” by the time this game’s life cycle ends. Sakurai knows Dixie is more popular than any other choice that ended up being an echo so far, so he will regard her as such (with this basically being a fan game).

 

[StormC]

That’s the problem. People choose to believe she can only be an echo. Those of us who choose to think that she can be more are going to be able to say “I told you this would happen” by the time this game’s life cycle ends. Sakurai knows Dixie is more popular than any other choice that ended up being an echo so far, so he will regard her as such (with this basically being a fan game).

Pretty sure you're setting yourself up for disappointment by just assuming she will be in as a unique fighter.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Except chrom has no moveset potential and Dark Samus is irrelevant and dead without being as popular as someone like K Rool. Absolutely no one claimed chrom would be unique if he's in.

Dixie has neither of these problems.

If you'd actually bother to read threads other than this one you might actually learn a thing or two. Back in Smash 4's speculation days, when Chrom was the hot ****, plenty of people had plenty of unique ideas of how he could play drawing from his source. And irrelevant or not, Dark Samus has a hell of a lot more moveset potential than Smash gives her/it credit for, what with the whole Phazon thing.

Same arguments as before.

1. Lucina would have never made it into the game if Echoes were never a thing. Sakurai himself said so. You cannot compare the contribution of Lucina to Fire Emblem to that of Dixie Kong to DK.

2. Having the same body-type as other characters does not mean she HAS to be one.

3. No, we don't know if Diddy lost his multihit tail jab attack. Why is this argument still being thrown around?

4. We should not settle for the worst in regards to our favorite character. Fan demand brought in K. Rool and Ridley. Why should we settle for an Echo? Dixie fans tend to be really quiet and accepting of anything.

5. Dixie deserves to have a unique moveset and we should stay positive about it.

1. There's a very good chance the literal exact same thing could be said about Dixie. Instead of showing the one that was "relevant" they opted to show the one that was actually unique, who could not have been echoed off of another fighter - K. Rool. Also, this is not Fire Emblem of DK - this is Smash. They're in the same game, they follow the same rules. By that logic as well, which series is it that has seven characters...? Oh right, Fire Emblem, Lucina's franchise. Coincidentally, I'd argue more people know who Lucina is nowadays because for some weird-ass reason, girl Marth is incredibly popular (waifu factor.) There's a reason she is the only Fire Emblem character who gets most of the official merch.

2. No, but it certainly makes the workload much smaller in a game already so packed full of content that newcomer slots are incredibly limited. See: Dark Samus.

3. Because until we see it, there's a chance it has been removed. With other characters getting tweaks to their moveset and animations, we cannot assume anything is the same as before.

4. Accepting of anything? That's a load of bs. You're not bothering to accept an argument that's contradictory your own and are blindly defending points that are moot and grasping at straws. Yes, fan demand brought in two unique newcomers that have been highly requested for over a decade. If you think Dixie fits that bill, you're sadly mistaken. Dixie rarely shows up in popularity polls.

5. Does she though? What exactly about her makes you say that? She plays nearly identically to Diddy in her home series. The literal only non-cosmetic difference is her hair, which she uses to do what, one thing with?

You should keep an open mind and be willing to hear opinions other than your own. It would bode well for you in the real world.

 

[cybersai]

As long as Dixie is playable that's good enough for me. I'd rather her be an echo than not in at all.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If you'd actually bother to read threads other than this one you might actually learn a thing or two. Back in Smash 4's speculation days, when Chrom was the hot ****, plenty of people had plenty of unique ideas of how he could play drawing from his source. And irrelevant or not, Dark Samus has a hell of a lot more moveset potential than Smash gives her/it credit for, what with the whole Phazon thing.

Except we're talking about now in the context of echoes, back in the smash 4 speculation days people just assumed he'd replace ike, he didn't and sakurai himself said it's because of his lack of moveset potential. Dixie offers far more in terms of moveset potential than he ever could simply due to their weapons. Dark Samus does have moveset potential but that's not the reason I gave for her being an echo sis.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

That’s the problem. People choose to believe she can only be an echo. Those of us who choose to think that she can be more are going to be able to say “I told you this would happen” by the time this game’s life cycle ends. Sakurai knows Dixie is more popular than any other choice that ended up being an echo so far, so he will regard her as such (with this basically being a fan game).

So you're saying if she gets in as an echo I get to be an insufferable ass-hole and tell you "I told you so." Right? Because if not then, that's just double standard.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Heck, in her own games, she doesn't play that different to Diddy anyway, why should she in Smash?

Just noticed this but this is a blatant lie, Diddy plays closer to DK than he does to Dixie. Everything Dixie does in the DK games involves her hair, whether that be gliding, attacking or picking up objects. They're only similar because the game is a platformer so their core gameplay obviously has to remain the same.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Just noticed this but this is a blatant lie, Diddy plays closer to DK than he does to Dixie. Everything Dixie does in the DK games involves her hair, whether that be gliding, attacking or picking up objects. They're only similar because the game is a platformer so their core gameplay obviously has to remain the same.

Dixie functions in a way that's a mixture of Diddy and DK

While she uses her hair, mechanically she inherited DK's way of holding items. Diddy holds items in front of him, Dixie and DK hold it above them.

The similarities between Dixie and Diddy are increased in the new DKC games. Where Dixie's hair acts extremely similar to Diddy's jet pack, but is slightly better. While they both get guns in Diddy's peanut popgun and Dixie's Bubblegum gun

Her unique ability in the original DKC series is the ability to hover with her hair. But in the new DKC games it's function isn't that different from Diddy.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Just noticed this but this is a blatant lie, Diddy plays closer to DK than he does to Dixie. Everything Dixie does in the DK games involves her hair, whether that be gliding, attacking or picking up objects. They're only similar because the game is a platformer so their core gameplay obviously has to remain the same.

Okay? This changes nothing. She can do three moves with her hair, wow, one of which is irrelevant in context of Smash. Takes more than two things to make a moveset. And in Tropical Freeze, her most recent game, she only makes use of one of these, and even then only as an assistance move.

Edit: PsychoIncarnate explains it much better above.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Okay? This changes nothing. She can do three moves with her hair, wow, one of which is irrelevant in context of Smash. Takes more than two things to make a moveset. And in Tropical Freeze, her most recent game, she only makes use of one of these, and even then only as an assistance move.

Those 3 moves are her entire moveset in those games because they're platformers, there's no reason to think Dixie wouldn't use her hair as her main weapon in smash when she uses it for everything in the DKC games

 

[DeltaSceptile]

5. Does she though? What exactly about her makes you say that? She plays nearly identically to Diddy in her home series. The literal only non-cosmetic difference is her hair, which she uses to do what, one thing with?

No, actually she plays quite differently. You’re ignorant for thinking otherwise. She uses her hair for gliding, recovery, the dash attack, and throws, and her movement speed is notably faster in the air than diddy and slower on the ground. There’s tons of things that set Dixie apart from diddy gameplay wise and mechanically.

So you're saying if she gets in as an echo I get to be an insufferable ***-hole and tell you "I told you so." Right? Because if not then, that's just double standard.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Those 2 moves are her entire moveset in those games because they're platformers, there's no reason to think Dixie wouldn't use her hair as her main weapon in smash when she uses it for everything in the DKC games

You aren't looking at this from a conceptual standpoint or from a game developer's standpoint.

"Why should we put Dixie in as unique when her more recent games show her as a slightly different Diddy?"

If her own series treats her like that, why should Smash treat her better?

Why would they go and make her unique when from a conceptual standpoint the two characters share a nearly identical role?

Every unique fighter from Smash 4 got in on a conceptual level that fit to their own game's mechanics. "Fights with Yoga," "Almost All Projectiles," "Mage with Limited Resources,". On a conceptual level, Dixie serves the same function as Diddy in the new games - "second jump."

 

[pepiux]

1. There's a very good chance the literal exact same thing could be said about Dixie. Instead of showing the one that was "relevant" they opted to show the one that was actually unique, who could not have been echoed off of another fighter - K. Rool. Also, this is not Fire Emblem of DK - this is Smash. They're in the same game, they follow the same rules. By that logic as well, which series is it that has seven characters...? Oh right, Fire Emblem, Lucina's franchise. Coincidentally, I'd argue more people know who Lucina is nowadays because for some weird-*** reason, girl Marth is incredibly popular (waifu factor.) There's a reason she is the only Fire Emblem character who gets most of the official merch.

2. No, but it certainly makes the workload much smaller in a game already so packed full of content that newcomer slots are incredibly limited. See: Dark Samus.

3. Because until we see it, there's a chance it has been removed. With other characters getting tweaks to their moveset and animations, we cannot assume anything is the same as before.

4. Accepting of anything? That's a load of bs. You're not bothering to accept an argument that's contradictory your own and are blindly defending points that are moot and grasping at straws. Yes, fan demand brought in two unique newcomers that have been highly requested for over a decade. If you think Dixie fits that bill, you're sadly mistaken. Dixie rarely shows up in popularity polls.

5. Does she though? What exactly about her makes you say that? She plays nearly identically to Diddy in her home series. The literal only non-cosmetic difference is her hair, which she uses to do what, one thing with?

You should keep an open mind and be willing to hear opinions other than your own. It would bode well for you in the real world.

1. She was considered for Brawl, as Diddy's tag team partner. What sense would it have made to make her a clone of Diddy back then? To that you'd say she missed the boat in Smash 4. That game heavily focused on promoting newer titles, and Tropical Freeze was not on the table when the plan was made, hence Dixie was probably low priority. About the Lucina argument, and one you just ignored: Sakurai himself said she was lucky she got in. Can't argue against that. I won't start comparing franchises either.

2. Exactly what I have said before. Dixie is already easier to implement than most. Why bastardize her moveset by making her just a copy paste?

3. So there's a chance it was removed because we haven't seen it? I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic here. We haven't seen many things, and using that as an argument for an Echo inclusion is plain silly. We should be objective here. We DON'T KNOW if it's gone, and should refrain from making assumptions there.

4. Ehh. I'm sorry, but Dixie does show up in popularity polls, especially those around 2015. Go back and check. No, she is not up there with Ridley and K. Rool, but she does pretty well.

5. Long history with Nintendo, co-star of the best game in the series, star and face of her own game, popular, relevant again thanks to Tropical Freeze (which is awesome). And no, she plays nothing like Diddy Kong. I won't go into details here, as it's the same arguments over and over again. Her hair could be implemented in such fun ways. I find it funny how you mentioned people came up with lots of ideas to make Chrom unique, yet you refuse to acknowledge Dixie's hair-based moveset potential. If you think she can only do one thing with her hair, then you are just blind.

EDIT: her being fresh and unique was the sole reason she was created as Diddy's partner in DCK2. So no, she's just not a "slightly" different Diddy.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

You aren't looking at this from a conceptual standpoint or from a game developer's standpoint.

"Why should we put Dixie in as unique when her more recent games show her as a slightly different Diddy?"

If her own series treats her like that, why should Smash treat her better?

Why would they go and make her unique when from a conceptual standpoint the two characters share a nearly identical role?

Every unique fighter from Smash 4 got in on a conceptual level that fit to their own game's mechanics. "Fights with Yoga," "Almost All Projectiles," "Mage with Limited Resources,". On a conceptual level, Dixie serves the same function as Diddy in the new games - "second jump."

the way diddy uses his jetpack in smash and in returns isn't the same at all so dixie can still act as the more aerial focused of the 2 in smash since that's what she was since her creation. The only reason Diddy and Dixie are somewhat similar in the new games is just because of the nature of their gameplay, you play as DK and the other Kong's are essentially power ups, Diddy give you more hangtime, Dixie gives you more vertical movement, and Cranky lets you bounce to reach higher places. They had to give diddy something to make him worth using. Don't see why that one appearance should change anything when the kongs are primarily based on their original trilogy incarnations anyway

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Can we please move on from the echo talk? it's ****ing annoying and depressing

 

[Ghostwolf35]

Okay? This changes nothing. She can do three moves with her hair, wow, one of which is irrelevant in context of Smash. Takes more than two things to make a moveset. And in Tropical Freeze, her most recent game, she only makes use of one of these, and even then only as an assistance move.

Edit: PsychoIncarnate explains it much better above.

I agree that if Dixie got in, she'd more than likely be an echo, but "Takes more than two things to make a moveset" isn't very accurate. Dixie could take her pony-tail spin for her up-special, she could use her hair as a grab, or maybe it would work as a side-special like Bowsers in melee, and then she'd have her dash attack from DKC:2 or Tropical Freeze(as they're both similar.). That's 3 moves straight from her appearances in the DKC series. That doesn't sound like much, right? Well, let's look at her boyfriend Diddy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only His Up-Special, Netrual-Special, and dash-attack are straight from his appearances in the DK series. That's just 3 moves like Dixie. But Diddy was still made to have a full moveset. And that's not to mention characters like Captain Falcon who had no moveset potential because he was always in a car, but they still made one for him and made him really fast to represent the race-car-driving he does. Most characters in smash don't really have a ton of source material, but Dixie has a unique defining characteristic while many characters don't. They could easily create other moves with her hair, and pull inspiration from the rest of the DK series to fill out her moveset, such as the orange grenades from DK:64.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

No, actually she plays quite differently. You’re ignorant for thinking otherwise. She uses her hair for gliding, recovery, and throws, and her movement speed is notably faster in the air than diddy and slower on the ground. There’s tons of things that set Dixie apart from diddy gameplay wise and mechanically.

Yeah, pretty much.

Gliding has been removed from Smash and likely isn't coming back due to how OP it was. And wow, air and ground speed? I haven't seen such a minor difference since Melee's Fox and Falco! That's not enough to set her apart from Diddy.

Conspiracy Theory Time.
The whole reason the Dixie/Diddy tag team mechanic was cut from Brawl in the first place is because the duo were too similar and there was no reason to bother switching at all.

2. Exactly what I have said before. Dixie is already easier to implement than most. Why bastardize her moveset by making her just a copy paste?

5. Long history with Nintendo, co-star of the best game in the series, star and face of her own game, popular, relevant again thanks to Tropical Freeze (which is awesome). And no, she plays nothing like Diddy Kong. I won't go into details here, as it's the same arguments over and over again. Her hair could be implemented in such fun ways. I find it funny how you mentioned people came up with lots of ideas to make Chrom unique, yet you refuse to acknowledge Dixie's hair-based moveset potential. If you think she can only do one thing with her hair, then you are just blind.

Only going to respond to points that are even worth going into.
2. Because she is easier to implement is the exact reason. The same reason the Octolings would be in despite having "unique" equipment. The same reason Ken would be in. Because he's functionally identical.

5. You're allowing your bias to seep through here, friend. "Best game in the series" is a subjective thought. PsychoIncarnate already explained how they've treated her as of late. As for Chrom? I don't even like Fire Emblem, so the fact I'm using him at all should show you that I'm not just some butthurt fan. And since I'll have to spell it out anyway, you've all completely missed the point of my post.

Yes, she has potential to be unique, but so did plenty of others who ended up as Echo Fighters - Daisy, Chrom, Dark Samus, hell, even Richter. Just because she has that potential doesn't mean it will be realized when she could just as easily be made an echo. I would personally rather her be in as an echo than not at all, and you're only setting yourself up for disappointment when you assume she HAS to be unique. I'd rather not see a bunch of whiny Dixie fans do the same things that some of the Waluigi and Ashley fans did.