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I.....was making a joke there.No. People see Dixie as Echo material because they see her as nothing more than girl Diddy which isn't true at all.
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I.....was making a joke there.No. People see Dixie as Echo material because they see her as nothing more than girl Diddy which isn't true at all.
My bad than.I.....was making a joke there.
Preach, everytime I say my favorite games of all time are DKC2 and Tropical Freeze instead of Mario games, people treat me like I'm joking or something else.The Geek Critique said it best:
"Aside from a Small Niche of Fans that grew up with the Super Nintendo, the DKC series never had the respect and reverence among gamers that other Nintendo franchises like Zelda and Metroid enjoy"
There's no gaming franchise that is dispespected as much as Donkey Kong. There are others that get insulted or laughed at, but at least they are recognized as franchises, as IPs, not as random spin off games of that one Mario character.
Meme culture in general ruins everything. Everything's gotta simplefied onto the last atom taking all complexity, and has become extremely annoying this year for some reason (my guess beign that now that im forced to be mostly indoors, i notice how ****ty most internet people and trends actually are, which didn't cross my head before due to me beign able to go outside and do ****)Preach, everytime I say my favorite games of all time are DKC2 and Tropical Freeze instead of Mario games, people treat me like I'm joking or something else.
"How can a stupid monkey game be better than Mario?", a thought that people that played the DK games in the 90s would never even consider.
Sadly, I blame the popularity of the DK Rap for this, it was not its original intention and I actually love the song, but in this current culture of memeing everything, it gives the DK franchise the impression of being a bad joke instead of a legit franchise, that and the lack of consistent games.
At least they continued to use he character. She's more dead now than she was when Rare and PAON still used her in their games.Top 10 saddest anime deaths.
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Don't worry I caught the joke lolI.....was making a joke there.
Trixie Kong: "You're my new best friend!!"Everyone here is talking about Daisy Kong but no one here is talking about the beautiful Trixie Kong.
Trixie Kong: Tell me I'm pretty.
Diddy Kong: Your pretty.
Trixie Kong: 'Laughes' Say it again!
Isabelle:Trixie Kong: "You're my new best friend!!"
Rips picture of Isabelle
As someone having to take leave from social media completely as of last weeks since Steve's reveal, this post is something I wish I could have written... if I hadn't become practically henpecked all these years by most of Smash's fanbase due constantly being told to just be happy/grateful about what I "received" from the series when being personally annoyed about the NPC'd characters I happened to unfortunately rally for - even if these tend to consequently be mocked by these same as part of their humorous, if not "smug" tradition - which the series eventually would adopt regarding it's treatment of characters like Waluigi, Chrom and Spring Man.-snip-
I'm thinking about leaving Smash speculation after Ultimate's DLC lineup is over. Ultimate gave me K. Rool, Ridley, and Banjo & Kazooie who I've all waited for since Melee. Now Goemon and Krystal are my last big wants and one a Mii costume and the other is Assist Trophy. I don't think I have it in me to go another rodeo, so I think I'm calling it quits with the speculation game after Ultimate. 2 speculation cycles is enough for me and I already had some good memories during Smash 4 speculation and Ultimate speculation.As someone having to take leave from social media completely as of last weeks since Steve's reveal, this post is something I wish I could have written... if I hadn't become practically henpecked all these years by most of Smash's fanbase due constantly being told to just be happy about what I go even in spite of NPC'd characters I happened to unfortunately rally for, be constantly mocked by them as part of the fans' and eventually series' tradition. Eventually I'd be just feeling alienated by the series as a whole since it'd start double down more and more with 3rd Parties that broke so many grounds that it was basically anyone's game - which then leads us to the present day of them being the name of the speculations over what used to be Nintendo-characters mainly.
I've have had so many personally wanted characters, many who happened to be the obscure/cult-classic favorites of Nintendo's history, generally ending up pushed to the sidelined roles for about a decade now with this series. And despite people telling me to smile in genuine thankfulness for them being part of the "game(s)", with that long experience, I've long come to observe that in grand scheme of things, these characters are nothing more than museum pieces to most of these mainstream fan of Smash or Nintendo. Smash doesn't do them jack-squat in means of being present unless they're playable - and plenty dormant series we know today are essentially had more apperarances as Assists over any new titles since Brawl.
It's made me appreciate such strange title like Captain Rainbow only more and more as time had passed with me staying invested on Smash-franchise and seeing it more or less build on mainstream/popular characters as newcomers along the 3rd Parties in the way, essentially making shoving of obscure fan-favorites we see in that game more egrogious, especially likes of Takamaru or Lip.
I then decided to cut down these to more mainstream characters to settle on for less instead of shooting to impossibilities - yet as of late, I hardly can even recognize, or invest on Smash Bros as the series I grew up with to even be a series where I could hope to see Dixie Kong after Diddy Kong was long a thing in Brawl (And she was rumored to be part of him... dang...). Toad less so, since I believe he's in same "impossible NPC-centric character"-position as Tingle due getting upstaged by this point. Doesn't help that if Plant or some Assists-to-Fighter characters had proved it, anyone short of that is no damn to be given about (and how! They're just roulette of questionably A.I-controlled cameos stuffed in an item which was done all the way better by Pokeballs since the series' inception... even the smiling cloud platform from Yoshi's Story got to build their own legacy in Melee's competitive history due being such integral part of the very stage he appeared in!)
During the time he was released, playing against on Yoshi's Story-level reminded me long of the times where I wanted to see more natural evolution of Smash's general selling point, which was just being a Nintendo-centric party fighter. Yet today, I feel like it's long gone shed away that aspect of itself, which has made it harder for me to really be invested on it from personal end due how it looks only to be that 3rd Parties are on-going stars of the series now - which with the trademark icon characters of Nintendo's catalogue, has made this series essentially hold this title of being official version of whatever that song was about ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny that I saw on Youtube around 2009 in lieu of Brawl Taunt-comedies.
I really tried to stick around when Steve was shown but I think I hit some burn-out with always being happy for others be try to just enjoy my own occassionaly gift now and then... but somehow it's kind of dissonant to think that the best way I can really continue enjoying Smash-franchise in it's current form is to bury slowly yet painfully any personal wishes or even improvements for Smash-franchise based on the (now-false) perceptions of it as Nintendo-centric crossover. Somehow in that context, wanting to see Dixie Kong in this series feels kinda "low-brow" and not fitting the series in the way I remembered it, since it's feeling so more different with it's current emphasis on 3rd Parties, and the general marketing and fandom activities that come with it.
Doesn't also help that trying to voice most of these thoughts I've written here on social media would make me look more or less a scapegoat to whatever is wrong with the series' "never-satisfied and ungrateful jerkasses to Daddy Sakurai just doing his best."
I've kinda been leaving the series behind me in personal ends for good since last weeks, but I keep sometimes feeling like my, emphasis on, personal investment on this series was unfortunately, utterly wasted - and in turn I only got to witness how just much it really sucked to invest so passionately on characters from IPs that in the grand scheme of things, aren't in the radar of the company that green-lighted them.
(Captain Rainbow 2 when?)
While we are at it, we also need Vinyl records to DKC3 and DK64 as well.Excellent artwork!
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Smash wouldn't have been as successful as it is today without 3rd parties joining the roster, but it would still be very successful.Part of me wonders what an alternate timeline would look like if Smash remained 1st party only. Instead of Sonic, Snake, Joker, Steve, Terry, Ryu, Ken, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Hero, Cloud, Simon, Richtor, Bayonetta, and Banjo (though these last two are a grey area where they're kinda 1st party but technically not) we had idk Dixie, Bandana Dee, Captain Toad, Urshifu, Isaac, Waluigi, Pauline, Medusa, DJ Octavio, Takamaru, Krystal, Tingle, Rex/Pyra, Porky Minch, and Impa (as examples).
Would Ultimate still be as successful on Nintendo fanservice and same gameplay alone? Would 3rd party speculation even exist given we would still be 6 games in without a single 3rd party character? Would Smash as a series even still exist past Brawl? These are interesting questions we will never know the answer to I suppose. Just food for thought given the recent set of discussion. My theory is yes Ultimate would still exist but probably wouldn't be as successful, instead of 20 million copies sold Im willing to guess probably 12 million. While the alternate timeline Ultimate would be my DREAM game I can't deny the reach 3rd party characters have to casuals. Their is a reason Steve broke Twitter when he was announced. Steve is undoubtly the biggest character Nintendo has added to Ultimate period. Because while usually Smash shines a light on a 3rd party franchise, Minecraft is so big for once its doing the opposite where the character is shining a light on Smash. So while yes I dont care for 3rd parties and the overtaking it has on speculation nowadays I do understand why Nintendo values other peoples characters more than their own.
That being said Nintendo could try and get better at using a fan favorite 1st party character as DLC which they have yet to do. The only times we have gotten 1st party characters is when Nintendo wants to shill FE or promote a new IP (ARMS). They have never once tried using a legacy characters as DLC that wasnt a Smash vet. You will never know how something will sell unless you try it at least once...
Exactly my point. I feel we couldI think Cloud is really what ushered in the "anyone can happen" era of Smash speculation. I mean yeah Snake was equally out-there, even as Smash's first third-party character ever, but a lot of people knew that it was a request from Kojima to have Snake in Smash, and not something that Sakurai had to go out of his way to get.
The Smash 4 third parties in base game were Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, and later Ryu, and I know a lot of people thought that line-up made perfect sense at the time. They were undeniably iconic gaming characters, each with long histories that intertwine with Nintendo's in one way or another. Cloud is of course a very iconic character, but he rarely appeared on any console that wasn't owned by Sony. He was the pipe dream that everyone joked about, because they knew it would never happen.
Until it did.
If Third Parties never made it into Smash, it would have for sure made it past Brawl, because by the time Melee came around the series became one of Nintendo's flagship titles, and there were no Guest characters at that time (although talks were already in motion with Snake and Sonic)Part of me wonders what an alternate timeline would look like if Smash remained 1st party only. Instead of Sonic, Snake, Joker, Steve, Terry, Ryu, Ken, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Hero, Cloud, Simon, Richtor, Bayonetta, and Banjo (though these last two are a grey area where they're kinda 1st party but technically not) we had idk Dixie, Bandana Dee, Captain Toad, Urshifu, Isaac, Waluigi, Pauline, Medusa, DJ Octavio, Takamaru, Krystal, Tingle, Rex/Pyra, Porky Minch, and Impa (as examples).
Would Ultimate still be as successful on Nintendo fanservice and same gameplay alone? Would 3rd party speculation even exist given we would still be 6 games in without a single 3rd party character? Would Smash as a series even still exist past Brawl? These are interesting questions we will never know the answer to I suppose. Just food for thought given the recent set of discussion. My theory is yes Ultimate would still exist but probably wouldn't be as successful, instead of 20 million copies sold Im willing to guess probably 12 million. While the alternate timeline Ultimate would be my DREAM game I can't deny the reach 3rd party characters have to casuals. Their is a reason Steve broke Twitter when he was announced. Steve is undoubtly the biggest character Nintendo has added to Ultimate period. Because while usually Smash shines a light on a 3rd party franchise, Minecraft is so big for once its doing the opposite where the character is shining a light on Smash. So while yes I dont care for 3rd parties and the overtaking it has on speculation nowadays I do understand why Nintendo values other peoples characters more than their own.
That being said Nintendo could try and get better at using a fan favorite 1st party character as DLC which they have yet to do. The only times we have gotten 1st party characters is when Nintendo wants to shill FE or promote a new IP (ARMS). They have never once tried using a legacy characters as DLC that wasnt a Smash vet. You will never know how something will sell unless you try it at least once...
Yeah that's another thing. If Smash didn't try to add multiple guest characters as much as possible, people wouldn't treat it as a hall of fame. No one bats an eye with Dixie Kong missing Mario Kart for the last 8 installments because despite beign a million seller, its roster has never been a major focus (and it shows) Dixie misses Smash and everyone sees her as worthless Wiggy Kong.I guess it's just this strange emergence of 3rd Parties that's making Smash way too bigger than it can possibly handle after Ultimate - and along the way, every 3rd Party being added looks to making them appear, whether popular or niche, as important as Mario or other Nintendo's other pop-culture icons like Link, Pikachu or Donkey Kong - and have made way for this whole "None wants your literal whos at Nintendo/3rd Parties Only"-mentality as I've seen posts from 4chan circulate around all last year, along with Smash-franchise being some "status symbol" thing. It's utterly, utterly disheartening
Call me crazy, but I think Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has easily the best roster in Mario Kart history. All seven Koopalings plus Link and the Inklings? That's all I'll ever need. Though I'll gladly trade those babies for more DK and/or other Nintendo characters.I mean Mario Kart only has Mario Characters with some exceptions in the latest game (and its roster makes even the worst Smash Newcomer choices look like godsends) yet it sells great based on the solid gameplay and strong brand alone.
As a Zelda fan and someone who likes DK, but not to the point that I'd call myself a fan, in the Mario Kart context, I would replace Link by Diddy without an hesitation. It's just a question of priority. Guests? Why not. But after the familly.I've stopped trying to figure out why Donkey Kong isn't better-regarded. I always wanna say, "Well, the GameCube didn't have a 'proper' DK game," but Metroid skipped the N64 and I know plenty of people who grew up with the N64 that love Metroid. And it's not the art direction or the fact that it's (largely) a weeb-unfriendly Western series or Crash Bandicoot wouldn't be the most requested character today.
Doesn't matter, though. Donkey Kong is popular. His games may be a joke to a certain subset of the extremely online fanboy set, but if they weren't popular, they wouldn't sell so well (remember, excluding the "Wii" series, DK is Nintendo's fourth most profitable IP). And I still believe that King K. Rool got in because he did so well in the poll. He may have actually won it, not that we'll ever know for sure.
Dixie may not get into Ultimate, but she's one of those characters that will get in eventually, like Waluigi. It's just a matter of time. There was a point in time when King K. Rool seemed extremely improbable and Banjo-Kazooie seemed outright impossible. If Dixie happens to be your favorite, I don't blame you for being bitter, but my advice is to enjoy the characters we already have and enjoy the ride until she inevitably gets in.
Honestly, if anyone or anything stands in the way of Dixie, it's Funky. He (and to a lesser degree, Lanky) are the only DK characters that non-DK normies seem to unironically like. Now don't get me wrong; Funky and Lanky are both lovable characters and if either of them get in, you won't catch me complaining. But Dixie was playable first, has a totally unique gimmick, and consistently ranks very high in Smash fan polls. She's cooler and more popular, and we need to convince Sakurai of that, or else he'll look at the memes and give us Funky instead.
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Call me crazy, but I think Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has easily the best roster in Mario Kart history. All seven Koopalings plus Link and the Inklings? That's all I'll ever need. Though I'll gladly trade those babies for more DK and/or other Nintendo characters.