Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[Radical Fiction]

Possibly the easiest way to see who's lying is to have Smarboy vote out of turn. If there is a not consequence, then we'll know they're about their voting restriction.

Role fishing,... again.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Guys, I think the scum team is JTB, Soup, and RR.

So a confirmed scum. A easy mislynch (especially with the QT bull****) and RR. No Hida. I see.

Also, I think RR's buddying of J is just plain scummy. J hasn't really contributed yet and I can see how a player who jumped into 40 ppp 40 page game would have trouble giving any thoughts at this time. But RR seems to practically latch onto him.

Anyway, that's my story. Sorry it's so long.

Ironic that Tandora (who's been buddying people all game) is calling RR out for it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I didn't get to post again after my confession, so I wanted to address a few posts from D2 before dealing with D3. The following two posts are from Gheb questioning my claim.





Notice after I claim, he focuses on me as scum instead of Soup. Is this because Soup is his scummate or because he knows after I flip town it would make Soup look worse and easier to lynch?



I claimed as soon as I saw his Zidane claim on QT. He had originally given me his clue before the flip - aka fast and brave. I had guessed Zidane. Then almost a week had passed and Roxy had already flipped as Zidane before he claimed that he was indeed Zidane.

I thought about trying to talk to him more privately, but after some internal debate decided that no matter what he said to me at that point I wasn't going to believe him.

I could have forgiven the Zidane claim IF it had happened before Roxy's flip, but after? What the hell?

The irony is that Onion Kid makes sense to be my neighbor given the name of our QT since we are both knight type characters. I want to clarify with Seph before I give the name.



Realistically fast and brave describes many FF heroes. Hell, brave describes all of them sooner or later. It wasn't really a meaningful clue at all.



Jeremy, you listed Soup as one of your other possible scum picks. Why focus on Red Ryu instead of him?

I'm conflicted because I find it extremely unlike that Soup and Gheb were on the same faction, but I don't like how often and unnecessarily Soup has lied. And how bad his lies are.

Gheb points out that Soup's behavior is probably not something scummates would encourage but at the same time most scum teams barely communicate. And it seems weird how he can post so much here but never tried to find out more about me in our QT. I felt I was the one asking information to see if we could trust each other while he pretty much did nothing but act crazy here.

I think the killer is I'm starting to doubt Jiremi myself. There's things that are off about his play. I don't like his first post of D2, it reeks of scum. And there's this distinct lack of frustration in his posts that I'm used to seeing. I don't know if it's a scum tell or sign of growth as a player.

Also, I had made a note to myself that if Jiremi flipped scum, then it was likely that Glyph was town. Considering that both confirmed scum really pushed hard for Glyph, it makes me wonder if Jiremi is not scum too.

If only if you used that wit for good instead of trolling. =/

Ok, after thinking about my reread, I'm inclined to say I don't think Jiremi and Gheb are on the same team. Why would Gheb prod "Are you sure?" over and over to me if Jiremi was his partner? It would seem to me that he would not want to bring extra attention to Jiremi possibly being scum.

I still need to do a reread on RR, because as far as I'm concerned, it's between him and Soup. And Soup's play has just been...hairpulling at best.

FOS Red Ryu

Ok, did a rough ISO on RR. The first two posts are RR vs JTB. I noted that the two of them seemed to have locked horns a good portion of D1.





Although it is possible for scum to have a heads up D1, there is ring of truth between these two and RR's vibe is definitely "Come at me, bro." Town point 1.



This post was late D1. RR had been urging people to make sure a lynch went through, but was also willing to take a vote off. Scum had every reason to push the vote, especially with JTB's scummy hammer. Town point 2.



This post made me feel...uncertain. I found it interesting that is was essentially about the two confirmed scum and placing them basically "town enough". But it still reads more of genuine uncertainty rather than fake prompting of scummates.

Also, RR did follow a Glyph wagon, but it was more of "I'd rather take out an inactive than an active if that's all I have to choose between" and he wasn't nearly as pushy on it as Gheb or JTB. In fact, when not fussing with JTB, RR is arguing with Jiremi, a target neither Gheb or JTB pushed for.

tl:dr - RR is town and I'm willing to go with a Soup or Jiremi lynch.

@ Jiremi - If you could choose between being lynched or vigged, which would you prefer? Why?

Because he's my husband and we've been together for twelve years. When you've been with someone for a long time (or even just friends), there are certain mannerisms you expect from that person. Jeremy has pretty much been acting in accordance of how I would expect him to.

I haven't completely ruled him out as scum, but I'd rather see your flip first.

1) You've lied, a lot, unnecessarily and in a way that is very anti-town.
2) You've flip flopped a lot on how to play the game. First you come in saying you have played Epic Mafia and then pulled the noob card all game long. Repeatedly.
3) Gheb backed you on Epic mafia play. Gave you an all too easy back door for bad play excuses.
4) AFAIK, it's between you and him. We can afford a mislynch.
5) So many of your posts have been completely useless. One liner fluff or constant debate of arguing why you're noob and should be given leniency on that.
6) I don't like your argument (on our QT) that clearly Seph would not make you scum and me town because you're new and would screw it up. That's so WIFOM, it makes my head hurt.

Btw, our QT is called Order's Sanctuary. Since we're both knight figures, I suppose it would make sense that we'd be neighbors. But Soup has made me so completely distrustful of him, I cannot in good conscience back him up.

That's correct. Lynch Soup today and if he's town, get Jiremi tomorrow.

VOTE SOUP

These are all of Tandora's posts on Day 3. Look at it.

Soup can't be scum Hida might be.
Hida can't be scum.
RR must be scum.
RR is town.
Hida can be scum.
Soup can be scum.
Vote Soup.

Flippin that flop.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I think we all need to sit back and ask why did the SK pick who he did as his NKs?

N1 had Asdioh and Vult dying. Assuming Seph listed them as Mafia kill then Indy kill, that would imply Vult. (This is purely guessing on my behalf.) I looked at both of their last page worth of posts and I cannot find a connection from either.

N2 had DH and Gheb dying. Clearly Gheb was the Indy kill.

N3 had Hida Jiremi dying. Clearly Indy kill, no Mafia kill.

My earlier analysis had RR as town because of his interactions against Gheb (confirmed scum). But now that there's an independent faction, I have to rethink him.

Really it bothers me the SK killed Jiremi during the night. Why eliminate the OBVIOUS lynch for the next day unless you were afraid he was gonna target you that night? Right? Jiremi would never have NK me because I was a safe bet in his favor, so I had no reason to NK him.

Jiremi and Gheb both pushed for a RR lynch. Is it possible he killed them to shut them up?

As far as Soup goes, that guy was an idiot. I had a clear town read on him before I realized we were masons, but then he kept flip flopping around. And lying that he was ZIDANE after Zidane flipped just so stupid, I don't think I have words for it.

The idiot even voted for himself without any argument to help prove his innocence. So, don't even try to pin his "fiasco" on me. Yesterday I felt it had to be either him or Jiremi and I even admitted I would rather it be him than Jiremi for reasons already listed.

WIFOM everywhere in this post.

She then posts all her reads and everyone on the list was scummy. Trying to keep her options open.

You're right, the neighbor role is not indicative of alignment, that's kinda the point. But there is also a matter of balance. Remember how in NBC we determined Seph couldn't be both neighbor, scum, and bus driver because it was too powerful?

It would be ridiculously overpowered for someone to be both a killing indy and a neighbor (regardless of how bad your neighbor is).

If nothing else, RR's post proved to me that he's town. That post was insightful and used good information from throughout the game instead of just immediate vibes.

It also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt SB is a double voter.

Soup never once disagreed with any of the information I shared, so we know I am neighbors with him and that since he flipped VT, my story of VT problems is true.

That leaves RF and J.

Honestly, I cannot imagine Indy killer RF jumping the gun and outing Jiremi like that. It's bad play to have set up a perfect lynch the next day and kill the only remaining scum unless you feared he may NK you also. Hida made it very clear he was frustrated with RF, but most of his kill options were for J and RR. I think RF would have slow played it to today and would have hit SB of the remaining obvious townies.

That means it can only be J who's scum. He's been really passive for J, kinda coasting along and following the crowd, and his "whole Soup fiasco" towards me never sat right. It was like he was pointing a finger at me without pointing a finger at me.

Red Ryu, you're brilliant!

VOTE J

Hey Red Ruy! How do you feel about all this unwanted buddying?

 

[Radical Fiction]

I'm fine with the current plan.

Then there's this that she's going back on because the current plan at that point was J then Tandora.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Sorry for all the posts at once, but that's an analysis of the entire game. Let's see if I can throw down my highlighter real quick.

1.) Last night was me, Smarboy, RR, and Tandora. Smarboy ,the double voter who stated in no uncertain terms that he was willing to vote Tandora today, was the one who died.
2.) Our other deaths include Vult Redux (who may or may not have been the SKiller's target) and Gheb who both called out Tandora for scum and Hida who, had his kill gone through, would've left us in a four man MyLo. With "Why would I kill Hida?" to clear her.
3.) She's been quiet, very quiet. SK's preferred playstyle.
4.) She's buddied players she thought could hurt her all game.
5.) She plays WIFOM constantly and flip flops to keep her options open.

Tandora IS our indy. Calling it.

Get at me, scumbag.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Since I just thought about it.

Vote: Extension

I'm going to be V/LA the weekend before deadline and we're not gonna be using the extra days any other time. I doubt it lasts that long, but no reason not to.

 

[Tandora]

I wish I could figure out if you and I are T-v-T, because RR's post of :

So I pick who the SK is, fun.

It feels like self-clearing.

RF, I want to believe you're town. Swiss' "clever" ploy of trying to trick Jiremi with Dayvig and then berating me for how I reacted the same way in NBC seemed sincere.

Here's my personal notes for the game:

Dissidia mafia notes
9. Red Ryu - implied VT
5. hidajiremi - claimed vt

Town
Tandora - Light Warrior FF1 - VT
10. smarboy69 (Smargaret/Gordito) - Voting restriction
11. RadicalFiction(Swiss/Ryker) - Memes?
1. Glyph / J - Based on JTB voting for him

Dead
Roxpsi - Zidane - VT
6. Vult Redux - Town cop
8. asdioh - Town Doctor
4. DatHydra (Seikend/th3kuzinator) - Outed JTB
3. Soupamario - Neighbor - onion kid

Scum
12. JTB - Ultimicia Mafia Temporary Mason
13. Gheb_01 - Mafia trapmaster

If Jiremi flips scum, Glyph prolly town. (D1 lynch wagons)
Radical Fiction - constantly posts in memes
Gheb seems to be really, really helpful.
Asdioh - comments without contributing or committing
asdioh and Vult both quickly voted Jiremi after I did.

Post 50 - Gheb - Noob advice
Post 52 - Soup - I play epic mafia often and good at it.
Post 55 - Soup - "come at me"
Post 65 - Vult - Silly post "help me, don't know who to vote"
Post 105 - Radical Fiction - How can Gheb be leading when he's not scumhunting?
Post 158 - Vult - How does he know that RF's meme pics are intentional and not restrictions?
Post 170 - RoxyPsi - Says we should vote Soup because he's not a player we want end game because of his bad playstyle.
(I don't like how their reason is not because of scumminess at all, however town read)

ISO JTB


3-8 2pm
[5] Glyph: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora,
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, RadicalFiction,
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,

Not voting: hidajiremi, smarboy69, Gheb_01,

3-8 6pm
[6] Glyph: Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora, hidajiremi, RoxPSI,
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, RadicalFiction,
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,

Not voting: smarboy69, Gheb_01,

3-9 2pm

[2] Glyph: Soupamario, Tandora,
[1] Tandora: Vult Redux,
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, RadicalFiction,
[3] RoxPSI: DatHydra, Glyph, hidajiremi
Not voting: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB, Gheb_01,

3-9 3:30pm
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[2] Glyph: Soupamario, Tandora,
[3] Tandora: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, RoxPSI,
[1] hidajiremi: RadicalFiction,
[4] RoxPSI: DatHydra, Glyph, hidajiremi, Asdioh,

Not voting: Red Ryu, smarboy69, JTB,

3-9 4:30pm
[1] Glyph: Tandora,
[4] Tandora: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, RoxPSI, Red Ryu,
[1] hidajiremi: RadicalFiction,
[5] RoxPSI: DatHydra, Glyph, hidajiremi, Asdioh, Soupamario,
Not voting: smarboy69, JTB,

3-9 6:30pm
[1] Glyph: Tandora,
[4] Tandora: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, RoxPSI, Red Ryu,
[6] RoxPSI: DatHydra, Glyph, hidajiremi, Asdioh, Soupamario, Radical Fiction,
Not voting: smarboy69, JTB,

3-9 7:30pm
[1] Glyph: Tandora,
[4] Tandora: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, RoxPSI, Red Ryu,
[7] RoxPSI: DatHydra, Glyph, hidajiremi, Asdioh, Soupamario, Radical Fiction, JTB

Not voting: smarboy69



54 - Anti no lynch
116 - Does Radical have a posting restriction?
154 - To soup, don't edit posts.
Post 164 - I assume this post is to me, right?
Post 166 - I unvoted b/c Soup gave a reason. Too early for strog stances
Post 169 - Ryker, you should use a second tab.
203 - I think Kuz was messing with Roxy
219 - I'll respond after dungeon on Rift
222- Response (that was fast, an hour later) - only defends self, no questions or prodding other players
274 - Noob card
279 - I'll do better
281 - Agreeing with people
282 - Actual content
285 - Defending self

Vult ISO
Post 158 - How did he know that RF's pics were intentional and not a posting restriction?


JTB Vote stuff
54- Votes Soup
371 - Votes Soup again
604 - Votes Rox
677 - Vote RR (if you don't want to commit, replace out)
767 - FOS Glyph
931 - Vote Glyph
1116 - Votes Rox again (Hammered Rox)
1225 - FOS Hida FOS Tandora
1226 - Vote Glyph (it gets him posting)
1286 - Vote DatHydra

Soup - Asked about:
Asdioh
DatHydra
Gheb_O1
Radical Faction
RR
J
Hida

Gheb's votes
Dathydra
FOS Rox
466 - DH
597 - rox
862 - tandora
907 - glyph
1057 - tandora
1605 - jtb

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

One of you vote for the deadline extension.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Read your post and you'll have to do a HELL of a lot more to convince me that RR is SK. I can't decipher those notes or what you're trying to accomplish with them.

 

[Tandora]

vote deadline extension

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

New deadline is 4/9/2011

 

[Tandora]

Read your post and you'll have to do a HELL of a lot more to convince me that RR is SK. I can't decipher those notes or what you're trying to accomplish with them.

I think it's not a matter of trying to convince you that RR is SK so much that I really am town. You seem convinced I'm scum from your posts against me, I'm trying to show you my thought process so you can see I'm town.

Seriously, everything I've posted this game you've been "Bah, that's so scummy", so the real question is why haven't you voted for me yet? There's clearly nothing I can do that you won't criticize so why the hesitation?

Also, if you really are dayvig and someone is stopping your ability, do you really think I'm a neighbor SK roleblocker?

And where the hell is RR? He's disappeared since his reread? He doesn't have anything to say to either of us during this time?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I reread the game twice, not gonna bother with a write up so I'll just post who I think the SK is.

Vote: Tandora

You have this huge blending feel, the post to me where you call my post genius just looks like a huge play to get really really buddy buddy with me. Most people who put pressure on you conveniently died.

Radical summed up a lot of what I was gonna post and I fully agree.

There are things I don't like that he did, but man rereading you look really really anti-town.

If Radical is the SK, gg you played me.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Vote: Tandora

That should do it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

/not SK

We're both happy with the Tan lynch so there wasn't any point wasting time.

 

[Swiss]

So are either of you gonna claim SK?

@ Mod why did our DayVig NEVER work?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I see you trollin'

Yes. I mad.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So Radical was the mafia traitor .

Get @ 1 v 1 v 1 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

 

[Dooms]

This was so fun to watch XD! Congratz winners~

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I mad

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I madder. I thought SK would keep me around. First thing I was gonna do was vote em D5 .

 

[Seikend]

Start of D3. Talking to Kuz.

th3kuzinator says:
17:59:24
well
WE DIED
I say:
18:00:00
I was more surprised by gheb dying lool
th3kuzinator says:
18:00:14
im not
dat indy dk
18:00:25
sk
I say:
18:01:11
Rf indy, hida scum?
th3kuzinator says:
18:01:27
yup



Ugh. Being dead is frustrating.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Damn i wish my laptop hadn't broken, this game was insane

 

[th3kuzinator]

Hindsight 20/20

 

[Swiss]

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ugh.. .

 

[Tandora]

SK deserved the win anyway. He got all the scum.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Lol @ Tandora forgetting about JTB.

Oh and I made their life harder by MLing Soup .

 

[#HBC | J]

Soup's ML was still incredibly dumb.

Btw, yea I didn't read a single thing of this game besides what was on the page I was posting on. Really just couldn't get into this game for a couple of reasons.

Swiss/Ryker did phenomenal =P

 

[Tandora]

And I'm really glad this game is over.

Seph, I liked the theme, but it was pointless with no flavor. Without making adding anything to connect us to the game, you forced us to do flavor searching.

Jeremy, I'm disappointed in you in how you played. I should have seen you for scum, but I didn't want to believe I was wrong.

Soup, you were a terrible player. Just try to play more honestly instead of being so damn clever you're impossible to read.

Too many hydras ruined this game. How can we honestly be expected to get reads if different people on the same role cannot agree on anything?

And I'm sick and tired of all the condescending attitudes and rude behavior. I'm tired of people talking down to me and telling me how stupid and bad a player I am.

Mafia isn't even about how you play any more but how you're expected to play. If you don't fit one perfect mold, you're obviously scum and deserve to die.

So congratulations on trolling everyone so much, Swiss and Ryker. I hope you had fun because I didn't

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Tandora, why did you shoot me =(

 

[#HBC | J]

And I'm sick and tired of all the condescending attitudes and rude behavior. I'm tired of people talking down to me and telling me how stupid and bad a player I am.

Mafia isn't even about how you play any more but how you're expected to play. If you don't fit one perfect mold, you're obviously scum and deserve to die.

These two paragraphs are just complete carbon copies of what I think of Mafia in DGames nowadays.

I agree 100% with Tandora and back her up fully on this because it's the truth.

 

[Dooms]

And I'm really glad this game is over.

Seph, I liked the theme, but it was pointless with no flavor. Without making adding anything to connect us to the game, you forced us to do flavor searching.

Jeremy, I'm disappointed in you in how you played. I should have seen you for scum, but I didn't want to believe I was wrong.

Soup, you were a terrible player. Just try to play more honestly instead of being so damn clever you're impossible to read.

Too many hydras ruined this game. How can we honestly be expected to get reads if different people on the same role cannot agree on anything?

And I'm sick and tired of all the condescending attitudes and rude behavior. I'm tired of people talking down to me and telling me how stupid and bad a player I am.

Mafia isn't even about how you play any more but how you're expected to play. If you don't fit one perfect mold, you're obviously scum and deserve to die.

So congratulations on trolling everyone so much, Swiss and Ryker. I hope you had fun because I didn't

V

Tandora, why did you shoot me =(

-facepalm-

I felt and still feel sooo sorry for everyone that wasn't RF. The trolling they did was really obnoxious and I was honestly shocked that they didn't get a semi-big mod punishment (as far as I know anyways). XD

I agree Tanny. It's quite stupid lol.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Seph, I liked the theme, but it was pointless with no flavor. Without making adding anything to connect us to the game, you forced us to do flavor searching.

Why did flavour matter so much in regards to scumhunting? Serious question btw, I just put it aside honestly.

Soup, you were a terrible player. Just try to play more honestly instead of being so damn clever you're impossible to read.

Well, it was his first game, but honestly yea I getchu, where you're coming from. He thought waaaay too confidently of his ability and just messed up royally for this game.

Too many hydras ruined this game. How can we honestly be expected to get reads if different people on the same role cannot agree on anything?

Wrong. I don't find it much difficult to read hydras. I read RoxPSI for town, he was town. I read DH for meh... null... and he was town. And it was based off of their reactions. Ultimately, a hydra's still two people. Scum slips are still inevitable, it's not about finding out how the meta plays out.

And I'm sick and tired of all the condescending attitudes and rude behavior. I'm tired of people talking down to me and telling me how stupid and bad a player I am.

Don't take things people said in game to heart. Swiss and Ryker are two of the biggest *******s in game. But I still love talkin to em out of game cuz they're good people. You're not a bad player. But I HAVE seen you play better games. Don't put yourself so down, learn from your mistakes, and apply what you learned next time.

Mafia isn't even about how you play any more but how you're expected to play. If you don't fit one perfect mold, you're obviously scum and deserve to die.

I'd totally agree with you if meta w****s like Zen and X1 (if he still is) were in this game. But I don't know what you mean in the context of THIS particular game, if you're talking about this particular game.

So congratulations on trolling everyone so much, Swiss and Ryker. I hope you had fun because I didn't

Man, don't think of it like that. Radical Fiction played an incredible game, and if you got passed the fact that they might have been a little mean in some posts, you'd see that. They painted the canvas perfectly so you'd look scummy on a reread to most people. They had some nasty scum slips. But you had to really think about em. Like, how REACHING their case on you was, and that's just one slip. Another one was their Day Vig crap, which a mod would never throw in there as a red herring, and esp with the town roles being how crappy they were.

 

[hidajiremi]

I wish I could have done better this game, but I'm coming to understand that forum mafia may well just not be for me. Especially if certain "play styles" are considered the norm, or even just acceptable. RF really put me off wanting to play forum mafia ever again, so if the goal of that particular style is to win through attrition--congratulations, you made it so that at least one person doesn't ever want to be in a game with you again.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote: Tandora

That should do it.

http://z0r.de/2216

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh did I mess up?

Crap sorry town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I love how I tell people in the critique thread to ignore things like "playstyle".

And now everybody complains about a certain playstyle being norm and accuse each other.

Yall need to step your games up big time, real talk.

 

[th3kuzinator]

SK deserved the win anyway. He got all the scum.

JTB --> outed by me d2
Gheb --> was the most dangerous player to the SK regardless of alignment, so nkd n2.
Hida --> Serial Killer had a 1 Shot tracker ability. He saw Hida visit me the night I died. Thus he knew he was scum and kiled him n3

Yall need to step your games up big time, real talk.

Agreed.

http://z0r.de/2216

;_______________________________________;





GG Swiss/Ryker, you played well.

@Tandora, I disagree.