Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[Radical Fiction]

Because you're a lying liar who lies constantly?

I always lie.


But if I lie constantly..that means what I just said......

THE PANDORICA HAS BEEN OPENED

I'm just plain tired. No matter how I try to play, someone is on my back about it. I don't mind being criticized, but being mocked actually pisses me off. And if I'm pissed off, I'm really just not having fun. If I sound like I'm not as frustrated as usual, it's because I'm just distancing myself from the whole thing. Certain players have convinced me that forum mafia is probably not for me in the future. I'm going to keep trying in this game, but I think part of me didn't expect to live through last night, since people keep bandying my name around and we have a vig. =/

mockmockmock


O btw full claim plz

 

[Radical Fiction]

If only if you used that wit for good instead of trolling. =/

It's better to have trolled and got modkilled, than never to have trolled at all.

 

[smarboy69]

So Soup's scum. Don't know how to summarize it, but if I can't find out how to I'll straight up post notes. Much better route than a Hida lynch. Promise.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME FLIP, NEVER!

but srsly.

considering it that it's not even close to lylo, i am perfectly fine with a lunch on me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

just promise me you will attack my scumbud RR

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oops, did i say too much?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also Tan, why are you so bias towards hida, just because you know him IRL?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

One more thing i'd like to point out:

This was my first dgame.

the mod had no idea about my EM background, so he probably wanted to make me a simple role to get the works of the game.

no way in hell i would ever put a newbie as a power role if i were ever to mod.

regular goon? perhaps. there is only that last goon left, but that is something you will have to consider yourself.

 

[smarboy69]

Mods don't personally assign roles. They're randomized.

And how do we even know there's just one goon left?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i was trying to tally up the numbers of how much maf was left at the start of D2.

i thought it was 5-5 and the original numbers were 8-5 but swiss thinks that there is only 3 scum and i would go on his word due to the experience.

either way, as i said, we're not in dire straits at the moment.

 

[smarboy69]

You were fake contributing at the start of D2, which is when Swiss called you a dumb f*** for saying that, maybe, but that has nothing to do with this anymore. If it really came down to your EM train of thought, you'd do what had to be done to quit that train of thought. But you're so obviously still using that train of thought, because it gets people to brush off what you say, since you're seeming to be a nuisance. It's not working anymore dude.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

then lynch me already, stop backing down.

 

[smarboy69]

I can't vote you f***ing ******.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

guess i'll wait then.

*whistles*

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Soup, you're dumb as ****.

Smarboy, what makes Soup Case > Hida Case?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if i'm dumb as **** why am i still alive? :D

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because no self respecting mafioso is going to night kill you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

beats being dead.

do what you can to stay alive, i woulda thought i woulda been lynched by now but it's coo.'

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

beats being dead.

Such a moron.

 

[smarboy69]

And if that right there isn't proof enough ...

Town doesn't prioritize staying alive the same way scum does. Can we please put Soupa at L-1 so we can lynch him?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What in the hell makes you think that Soup's self-preservation play is more scummy than everything that Hida's done? Go back to middle school (grade level is about right, no?) and do a compare/contrast for me.

 

[smarboy69]

K. Soz, usually I don't reread games because of sheer laziness, cockiness in that I don't think I NEED to, or because of the fact that I start, and end up getting distracted. Finally, I decided to get my lazy a** up and actually do a thorough reread of this game because I felt the need to obligate to it. What I got was interesting. It didn't point to Hida scum, it didn't vote to Red Ryu scum. It pointed to Soup scum. My reread consisted mostly of Gheb's interactions with players, and applying what I learn from there with the scum reads I currently had to make an ultimate decision of a lynch.

So what'd you pick up, Smarboy? Well, there's a quite unique form of interaction trends that I picked up between people like Dat Hydra and RoxPSI, confirmed townies, and Gheb. Gheb would always have a sharp, interrogative type of tone with them. And then, when it came to JTB, confirmed scum, he'd always have that sort of guiding-like tone, saying things like (no not exact quote unquote but basically the same shiz) "I can understand why you think JTB is scummy for this, but bla bla bla". There's only one other person that he'd have this tone with: Soupamario. Whenever he'd do something ********, or confused, Gheb would step in and try to, like, hold his hand through the game. Gheb had nothing but hard pressure and strong tones with Glyph and Tandora ALL through D1. And interesting note, I had asked Gheb if he thinks scum would bus scum D1, as well as my hydra parter smargz. Both said that it'd be highly unlikely for scum to pull something like that. So why would Gheb pressure Glyph and Tandora as scumbuddies as hard as he did. Exactly. He didn't. He pressured Glyph and Tandora as easy ML's.

Another thing. When Gheb would make scum lists, all through D1 and D2, very rarely would he mention JTB (D1 of course) or Soup. I remember only one time where he mentioned Soup in his scum list, where he said something about the lynch for, iirc, D3 being between Glyph Tan or Hida, and if none of them, then it's either Soup or RR. That can easily be a scenario where he's setting up him calling Soup scum subtly, so in the future when he plans on being the last scum standing, he's got that to fall back on.

Now, for ANOTHER thing. Soup, at the beginning of D2, talked about how Gheb should've been docced or NK'd. How does he KNOW that Gheb wasn't docced or NK'd? Scum slip: town SHOULDN'T know if he was. And, the fact of the matter is that the doc was NK'd, obviously, by our Vig/SK. What if he KNEW who scum NK'd, and was easily able to determine that scum didn't actually NK Gheb? Well, maybe because he was able to see that JTB sent the NK on Asdioh?

I already talked about how his EM train of thought is pretty scummy too, so I won't just repeat myself.

If I must continue, I'm pretty sure I have more. I didn't really refer to my notes when I made this post, but everything that I said was obviously important enough to remember.

In the end, Soup's scum. Hida's scum if Soup's town, and Red Ryu if neither of them are. But I doubt we'll even need to get that far.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

RoxPSI and DH are also much more accomplished players while Soup and JTB are the opposite of experienced, so that point is dumb as hell. Gheb's interactions aren't scum/town tells.

Consider for a moment that Soup is dumb town. Would it be feasible for him to assume Gheb was gonna die or the kill would be blocked?

EM bull**** is scummy.

If we're wrong about Hida, then fine, Soup can go.

 

[smarboy69]

This is mainly aimed at Soupamario, hidajiremi, Asdioh, Red Ryu, Seikend, rPSIvysaur and JTB

This is an excerpt from Gheb's #50, where he starts to give guidelines to all of the newer players. Remember that RoxPSI had RPSIvysaur and DH had Seikend? And what did Gheb do? Target those hydras with vigor. As well as hidajiremi, who he'd consistently say was scummy for X or Y reason. I want you to explain to me how interactions with scum aren't tells for players, especially seeing how there are explicit consistencies?

Well, considering the fact that a "dumb town" Soup would also say there was a possible interceptor, I don't think it'd be feasible to assume that at all. A dumb town, WIFOM filled Soup would probably think that he WAS docced and that there's a third killer for all we know. And hey, now that we're on the subject, do you think a dumb town Soup would be able to logically come to the conclusion that Gheb can be scum, when there was minimal pressure on him D1? Cuz I don't.

If we're wrong about Soup, then fine, Hida can go.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's come to the conclusion that I'm scum, so yeah. I think he could make up just about anything.

RPSI was in games before I went on hiatus, as was Hida. Seikend had Kuz and, IIRC, it was stated that Kuz was going to be doing most of the legwork day 1. Soup and JTB are COMPLETELY fresh players.

How about if you, me, Tand, and J all promise to get Soup tomorrow if Hida flips town? And we'll ask nicely for our Vig/SK to deal with him in the night.

 

[smarboy69]

@Mod, what shot is fastest, a shot made by an indy, townie, or mafiosi?

That move actually seems like the equivalent of a dog without a leash. When dogs are let out of their house without a leash, what do they usually do? Run hectically, realizing that they no longer have somebody controlling them. You see what I'm getting at here?

All of the people Gheb listed were either completely fresh to him, or fresh enough to mention. Hell, look at the newer player that Gheb EXPLICITLY included, who was around for a much shorter time than RPSI: Glyph. And iirc, Seikend went out of his way to include himself in DH's posts cuz people were only saying Kuz.

How about if you, me, Tand, and J all promise to get Hida tomorrow if Soup flips town? And we'll ask nicely for our Vig/SK to deal with him in the night.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i agree to these terms.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Fastest? Isn't it a crossfire?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

How about if you, me, Tand, and J all promise to get Hida tomorrow if Soup flips town? And we'll ask nicely for our Vig/SK to deal with him in the night.

Nope, no chance. Please just trust me Smarboy.

 

[smarboy69]

Some people argue that certain factions like indy should shoot first, then mafiosi, then town. And some think they all shoot simultaneously. But I'm not convinced, yet, to lynch Hida over Soup. How about we leave it at Tandora and J to decide?

Why is Soup voting for Hida? Is it because he wants to sheep what might possibly be the most pro town player at this point?

 

[hidajiremi]

THE PANDORICA HAS BEEN OPENED

O btw full claim plz

Did you... did you just make a Doctor Who reference? I might actually have to like one of your qualities now.

And no. "Role-fishing is scummy,"

If it isn't directed at you and isn't something like role fishing that REALLY doesn't need to be answered

remember?

 

[smarboy69]

He's not fishing, hida. He's try'na lynch you and wants a claim before he does it. So it's more like, "Role-diving-into-the-f***ing-ocean-and-grabbing-said-fish-by-the-tail".

Full claim plz.

 

[smarboy69]

so I accidentally punched the refrigerator (long story involving stupid progressive lenses and the lack of depth perception they cause) and I can't really use my left hand. don't expect any wallposts from me because I'm hunt and pecking with my right hand only. - smar

J, do you have any relevant thoughts?

 

[#HBC | J]

J, do you have any relevant thoughts?

None besides RR being scum in my mind.

Might post more but meh.

If I'm lynched, cool, it'll clear me from the scum pool.

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

You're not getting lynched, J.

Tell me why RR scum, and tell me why not Soup scum from my reasoning, or Hida scum from Radical Fiction's reasoning?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Damn it .

 

[smarboy69]

Yea what Gordito said.

 

[Tandora]

Ok, did a rough ISO on RR. The first two posts are RR vs JTB. I noted that the two of them seemed to have locked horns a good portion of D1.

JTB is funny, when PSI calls him on calling me out for being on a mobile he changes his stance of what is wrong.

First he says why bother posting, then he says there is nothing wrong with posting a stance. Me doing the same since when have you had heat last 5 pages where me, ROXpsi, hydra and Hida.

Then he tries to call it anti town because I have votes on me.

Man JTB you really like to make my case before I get to a comp don't you?

You have had little to no heat for the past 5 pages compared to others. Your saying I ride people yet I'm looking at someone was has not had heat recently. Explain how that is riding someone.

Your response to me making that post is that I have 3 votes on me therefore anti-town. Your saying having votes is instant scum which is dumb if you spent a second to think about it.

Seems less likely you want me to be lynched for legit reasons and more to get others to jump on by dropping the anti-town word.

Although it is possible for scum to have a heads up D1, there is ring of truth between these two and RR's vibe is definitely "Come at me, bro." Town point 1.

unvote

Not comfortable with him at L-1.

This post was late D1. RR had been urging people to make sure a lynch went through, but was also willing to take a vote off. Scum had every reason to push the vote, especially with JTB's scummy hammer. Town point 2.

JTB:

Well I spent time to review him, I think I may have spoken too soon about him. I looked back because I felt like he was bandwagoning quite a bit, but this wasn't the case.

IT is only recently that it seemed like he was going behind others for lynching, but it seems like I was wrong, he has made cases like Soupamario in the early game and others later one. Where he spent time building a case instead of riding off of others.

There are still cases like the recent one with me where I feel like he did jump on behind RoxPSI and Radical Fiction, but he didn't hold off and let them do all the work. He brought somethings to the table.

So I'm gonna drop the call out on him being scum. I was wrong.

However his case on me I still think is a load of bull at this point. I'm gonna stand by my previous posts on that at the very least.

~

@Gheb: Ok with RoxPSI his case as you pointed out has little merit to it, there is some which he did have a point about, before that point I didn't take strong stances and was pretty inactive.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12296227&postcount=685

Posts like this make me feel like he was scum hunting and tunneling me over trying to paint me as a scapegoat.

The one thing that did annoy me was this post,

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12297011&postcount=716

He dodged my responses, #705 and #714 ,ignored what I said for a huge chunk of my post and placed his vote on me again.

Before this he was trying to go for legitimate argument for why I was anti-town and I worked on trying to refute this.

While his scum hunting isn't great, it seems like he was making an effort to go for a case on someone. He's not trying to bandwagon people or make completely BS cases.

I feel he is town, or at the very least more town than Hida, Soupa, and co.

This post made me feel...uncertain. I found it interesting that is was essentially about the two confirmed scum and placing them basically "town enough". But it still reads more of genuine uncertainty rather than fake prompting of scummates.

Also, RR did follow a Glyph wagon, but it was more of "I'd rather take out an inactive than an active if that's all I have to choose between" and he wasn't nearly as pushy on it as Gheb or JTB. In fact, when not fussing with JTB, RR is arguing with Jiremi, a target neither Gheb or JTB pushed for.

tl:dr - RR is town and I'm willing to go with a Soup or Jiremi lynch.

@ Jiremi - If you could choose between being lynched or vigged, which would you prefer? Why?

 

[Tandora]

also Tan, why are you so bias towards hida, just because you know him IRL?

Because he's my husband and we've been together for twelve years. When you've been with someone for a long time (or even just friends), there are certain mannerisms you expect from that person. Jeremy has pretty much been acting in accordance of how I would expect him to.

I haven't completely ruled him out as scum, but I'd rather see your flip first.

1) You've lied, a lot, unnecessarily and in a way that is very anti-town.
2) You've flip flopped a lot on how to play the game. First you come in saying you have played Epic Mafia and then pulled the noob card all game long. Repeatedly.
3) Gheb backed you on Epic mafia play. Gave you an all too easy back door for bad play excuses.
4) AFAIK, it's between you and him. We can afford a mislynch.
5) So many of your posts have been completely useless. One liner fluff or constant debate of arguing why you're noob and should be given leniency on that.
6) I don't like your argument (on our QT) that clearly Seph would not make you scum and me town because you're new and would screw it up. That's so WIFOM, it makes my head hurt.

Btw, our QT is called Order's Sanctuary. Since we're both knight figures, I suppose it would make sense that we'd be neighbors. But Soup has made me so completely distrustful of him, I cannot in good conscience back him up.

 

[smarboy69]

So you're willing to go Soup, Tandora?