Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[Radical Fiction]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Since the game hasn't started yet I'm a bit curious about the flavor and would like to know a couple of things. Apparently Dissidia has a story mode for each character. To what extent does it match a character's story from his / her respective original game? Are there any examples of a bad guy becing good in the Dissidia story mode or Vice Versa? Can I assume that knowing a character from an original game equals knowing a character from Dissidia or is there anything I have to look out for?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

LOLOLOLOLOL.

This so had to be Ryker.

 

[hidajiremi]

Confirming. ^_^

 

[th3kuzinator]

everyone is confirmed but RR

I think he is on some sort of vacation <_<

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Otru.

Might as well start up the game without 'em. He has a V/LA as stated in FE PoR. He'll know the games here when he gets back.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Day 1 Start

Deadline is at midnight on 3/9/2011 MT

With 13 alive it take 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph
[0] Tandora
[0] Soupamario
[0] DatHydra
[0] hidajiremi
[0] Vult Redux
[0] RoxPSI
[0] asdioh
[0] Red Ryu
[0] smarboy69
[0] RadicalFiction
[0] JTB
[0] Gheb_01

Not voting: Glyph, Tandora, Soupamario, DatHydra, hidajiremi, Vult Redux, RoxPSI, asdioh, Red Ryu, smarboy69, RadicalFiction, JTB, Gheb_01.

 

[DatHydra]

Vote: RoxPSI

if you cross vote you're scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: No Lynch

i see nothing that could really prove anything beneficial but i'm inclined to believe that Kuz and Seik are gonna sheep Rox.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My pre-game flavor question still stands and I would appreciate an answer.

Since we have a lot of new players here I'm not going to bother doing the "how many games have you played with whom"-procedure that seemed to have become standard whenever there's a new player in a game. I'd just like to take this opportunity for some advice to newer players [and hopefully generate discussion from here on]:

- Don't just blindly agree with somebody appearing to be a "leader". Use your own smarts at *any* situation and always be aware that somebody could try to manipulate you [technically including this post].

- It's usually a good idea to present your own, genuine reasoning if you want to vote somebody. Saying "I agree with XY" and follow his vote can easily interpreted as an attempt to sheep a stronger player to throw in a vote with little negative consequences. Even if you agree with somebody it'd be a good idea to point out which of another player's thought process seems to match yours!

- If somebody's post bothers you for some reason you should claim so immediately and point out the issues with the post. This is important as saving it for a later, bigger case has its problems, which I've pointed out in the social thread. I'm going to post a link in just a minute.

This is mainly aimed at Soupamario, hidajiremi, Asdioh, Red Ryu, Seikend, rPSIvysaur and JTB as I've never seen them play before [or only rarely]. Glyph only has just replaced in his first game I think but he seems to be smart enough to understand these concepts.

Vote Tandora

Tanny, do you agree with my points here? Does any of my reasoning give you the impression that I might have the intention of misleading somebody? Maybe somebody in particular? Is there anything you would like to add or think I shouldn't have mentioned?

Same questions to Ryker.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Vote: No Lynch

i see nothing that could really prove anything beneficial but i'm inclined to believe that Kuz and Seik are gonna sheep Rox.

Vote SoupaMario

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb, thanks for the humble post but i play epic mafia regularly and am quite good at it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote SoupaMario

OH, YOU.

i'm gonna like it here.

 

[JTB]

Vote: No Lynch

i see nothing that could really prove anything beneficial but i'm inclined to believe that Kuz and Seik are gonna sheep Rox.

By voting no lynch, we are unable to get reactions from people we are voting, so it's pretty difficult to get reads if no one is being pressured.

Vote Soupamario

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

and to both of you, i say, come at me.

also, nice double vote, this works both ways, you both voting me could just be a simple way of getting rid of someone fast.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote: No Lynch

i see nothing that could really prove anything beneficial but i'm inclined to believe that Kuz and Seik are gonna sheep Rox.

Since you just mentioned it: You play Epic Mafia? Thanks for telling us because I used to play myself and I know that No Lynching on Day 1 is standard but this is not the case in form mafia. Our lynches are not based on figuring out night actions and claims - we base them on reads off individual players and through discussion. It's a lot moer "organic" and player based than Epic Mafia, which is mechanical and based on the set-up [and often luck as well].

- If somebody's post bothers you for some reason you should claim so immediately and point out the issues with the post. This is important as saving it for a later, bigger case has its problems, which I've pointed out in the social thread. I'm going to post a link in just a minute.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12196679&postcount=6684
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12197773&postcount=6690

These are the post I was referring to. Please make sure to read them carefully.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Since you just mentioned it: You play Epic Mafia? Thanks for telling us because I used to play myself and I know that No Lynching on Day 1 is standard but this is not the case in form mafia. Our lynches are not based on figuring out night actions and claims - we base them on reads off individual players and through discussion. It's a lot moer "organic" and player based than Epic Mafia, which is mechanical and based on the set-up [and often luck as well].

Actually, it depends what happens, on day starts, we usually nl, but we sometimes use our mls for our advantage, so we can even odds, personally i prefer nl's because it is more likely to hit a blue instead of a maf, however, i'm not sure what the roles are, so this will be quite fun.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

By voting no lynch, we are unable to get reactions from people we are voting, so it's pretty difficult to get reads if no one is being pressured.

Vote Soupamario

Familiarize yourself with the background of players before making sweeping statements. Soupamario has clearly mentioned that his mafia experience is based on Epic Mafia, where no lynching on Day 1 is not uncommon. A bandwagon on Day 1 is fine but you're ought to provide better reasoning than that.

and to both of you, i say, come at me.

also, nice double vote, this works both ways, you both voting me could just be a simple way of getting rid of someone fast.

There are other reasons to vote for somebody other than just "getting rid" of somebody. As I pointed out, there are differences between the mechanics of epic mafia and the approach of forum mafia. In our case, a vote doesn't have to lead directly to a lynch but also serves to make reaction and stances available upon which we can deduce things.

Take your own post as an example:

One interpretation could be that these two votes drew a strong reaction from you - a rather defensive one at that. Some people would interpret that as a "mini-slip" as you - from the other player's point of view - may have felt "caught" as mafia subconsciously.

This is the way that has proven to be the most effective to play in forum based mafia.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ahh, i see, that's quite the catch, i think i'll prefer this over epic mafia.

Also, when someone hits me, i hit them back, i am that kind of person, consider it a meta.

and so, to counter all of this (seeing how now i understand what kind of game i'm in)

Vote: Unvote No Lynch Vote: Gheb_01

.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually, it depends what happens, on day starts, we usually nl, but we sometimes use our mls for our advantage, so we can even odds, personally i prefer nl's because it is more likely to hit a blue instead of a maf, however, i'm not sure what the roles are, so this will be quite fun.

I'm well aware how epic mafia is typically played. You should still be aware of the differences and hope you'll understand my explanations. While I don't want you to ride the "I' used to EM play" for too long I think it's OK and understandable at the beginning of the game. But try to take the same approach to the game as we do ... I'm sure somebody -probably with more experience - will have to say something if they think my advice is misplaced. It *is* the basis of how this game is played after all.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol, I see what you did there ;P

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well i have noticed the great differences here and i am known for my WIFOM plays so consider this another meta, as far as i can read on everyone so far:

Kuz is the sort of person who attracts attention towards him so he can then lead on it
Radical i have no clue
JTB no clue either
Gheb you seem like a leader, or perhaps just a fairly nice person in general, i cannot simply put it into my mind that you are offically town, and i would like to test you thus i have voted you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's solid reasoning, Soupa. I expect no other treatment than people scrutinizing my posts and actions and the fact that you came to that conclusions right away tells me that you're playing this game with open eyes. A mafia member may have just skimmed through the "nice" personality that seems to lie behind my words and disregarded me as a potential threat.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

In my experiences (and this can vary because as pointed out this is not EM)

there are multiple types of mafia:

the buddiers
the leaders
the lurkers

Depicting this, there could also be something that uses all these tactics, and usually good mafia does.

anyways, the buddiers usually do as entitled, they pick one person to side with and they try to gain their trust, in some moments, they backstab them and try to make them like look scum for such accusations towards them.

the lurkers just lurk, they may say some things once in awhile, but they try not to stay invovled with anyone.

the leaders lead, they try to be on everyone's side, and try to contribute the most, when questioned, they usually go: "i've contributed more then you have, you have done nothing to help" that may be true, however, it's a accusation. the leaders usually tend to vote people they can use towards their advantage, and play all the stupid villagers like fiddles.

what i really like about this game is that noone knows who is who, noone knows who is cop, doc, etc, and noone is certain if there are any of these roles.

another thing: mafia usually avoids other mafia, usually, but if they can cover themselves well, they can trick the town.

 

[Vult Redux]

I don't know who to vote for HELP!!! ):

(see I am useless don't kill me this me this time!!1)

 

[Asdioh]

no flavor

D:

Vote: RoxPSI

if you cross vote you're scum.

I can't find the definition for cross voting anywhere. Does it just mean voting for the same person?

I swore there was another acronym in there somewhere that I didn't know but I can't seem to find it anymore. I guess I'll just ask what V/LA stands for? I know what it basically means but not the exact words.


Interesting start, I guess. This is my first time play in Dgames so hi.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Just a note Gheb, I've played in about 4 or 5 games now. I won't be playing the noob card.

I will note that I disagree that a long case is inherently bad though, same with occasionally holding off on pointing out posts you take issue with. A scum member who believes they are doing well is more likely to slip up, and give us more reliable reads based off their posts with other players (well, less WIFOM at least).

Asdioh, this is your first game outside the DR if I'm not mistaken. How does the change in scenery and players make you feel? What changes are you going to make?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

cross voting means you vote the person who voted you.

i.e

Vote: Asidoh.

then you vote me, and that is a cross vote.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I can't find the definition for cross voting anywhere. Does it just mean voting for the same person?

I swore there was another acronym in there somewhere that I didn't know but I can't seem to find it anymore. I guess I'll just ask what V/LA stands for? I know what it basically means but not the exact words.

The acronym you're looking for would probably be OMGUS.

V/LA stands for "Vacation/Limited Access".

I will note that I disagree that a long case is inherently bad though, same with occasionally holding off on pointing out posts you take issue with. A scum member who believes they are doing well is more likely to slip up, and give us more reliable reads based off their posts with other players (well, less WIFOM at least).

If you think a long case isn't inherently "bad" [whatever bad may constitute for you] then I'd like you to address the points I've made about it in the posts I've linked. Independently of whether a long case is *scummy* or not, it's hard to deny that due to its very nature it's still *anti-town*.

The second part has merit indeed but it's really hard for a newer player to tell if he has found something worth talking about right away or if it's better to keep it in mind for later. Under these circumstances I'm going to stand to what I've said and stick with my opinion that it's better for a newer player to voice issues with a post when they see it.

 

[JTB]

unvote

Soupamario, you posted that you play Epic Mafia while I was making my post, so I hadn't seen it when I posted. I hope you can see why I jumped on you.

 

[Asdioh]

Just a note Gheb, I've played in about 4 or 5 games now. I won't be playing the noob card.

I will note that I disagree that a long case is inherently bad though, same with occasionally holding off on pointing out posts you take issue with. A scum member who believes they are doing well is more likely to slip up, and give us more reliable reads based off their posts with other players (well, less WIFOM at least).

Asdioh, this is your first game outside the DR if I'm not mistaken. How does the change in scenery and players make you feel? What changes are you going to make?

Agreed with your second paragraph. I read Gheb's stuff and someone mentioned it in one of the links, but I felt that pointing out your suspicions constantly, instead of in a fairly long, well-thought out "accusation" kind of gives scum warnings that you're onto them and time to prepare.

Yeah this is my first game outside the DR. I only know a few of the players, and I'm still kind of sadfaced about the fact that hydras exist.

Changes? I don't need changes （ノ￣＾￣）ノ ⌒┫

cross voting means you vote the person who voted you.

i.e

Vote: Asidoh.

then you vote me, and that is a cross vote.

I knew this as "omg u suck"

Thanks for informing me, but..

Asidoh

You've convinced me to change my avatar and custom title back. Make a scumslip like that again and you will get a vote >=(

The acronym you're looking for would probably be OMGUS.

No I meant something I just read on this page but can't seem to find anymore :[

 

[smarboy69]

Soupamario: Voting no lynch is almost always bad for town. I'll let it go because of EM, but IGMEOY.

Gheb: Why are you playing IC? It looks like you're trying to set yourself up as town leader, for all that you're advising people not to sheep. Also, I (smarg) wholeheartedly disagree that cases are always scummy. They certainly can be scummy, but a well-phrased, well thought out case isn't. It's when you try to make it look like more than it is or use bad logic that the case is scummy.

Without cases, how do you persuade everyone else that the person you find scummy is scum? What distinguishes a case from a post pointing out a scumslip? I'd argue that's just a mini-case.

Vult: WTF? FOS: Vult

Also @ Mod: We don't like you very much right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I had the same accusation smar, but may i ask, what makes sheeping fine? in your opnion.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh and another thing, i think Vult was trying to WIFOM, in a reverse manner, he wants to look stupid and helpless (and he may very well be) or he wants you to think he is stupid and Helpless.

I don't take it as much, really, but i'll be sure to keep my eyes on his further posts.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb: Why are you playing IC? It looks like you're trying to set yourself up as town leader, for all that you're advising people not to sheep.

I'm playing IC because I'm the most experienced player in a roster with a lot of relatively new players. Unless you have a specific problem with it, I don't see what's wrong with me playing the IC at the beginning of Day 1. So far it has produced more discussion that Radical / JTB's lame bandwagon attempts or the sillyness of DatHydra and Vult anyway.

Also, I (smarg) wholeheartedly disagree that cases are always scummy. They certainly can be scummy, but a well-phrased, well thought out case isn't. It's when you try to make it look like more than it is or use bad logic that the case is scummy.

Without cases, how do you persuade everyone else that the person you find scummy is scum? What distinguishes a case from a post pointing out a scumslip? I'd argue that's just a mini-case.

It seems people are confusing things now.

I've never said cases in general are scummy. The point I'm trying to make clear is that - based on experience - people tend to be impressed by *big*, *long* cases [keywords, guys - read my posts carefully and you'll see that I never leave them out!] too much, that they're unfairly hard to respond to and that they should be *heavily* scrutinized by *everybody*. They are anti-town - if only because of the amount of effort you demand of another player and should be avoided if you have the possibility of keeping things shorter.

Please read through the links I posted carefull before commenting on this. This issue is not to be taken out of context.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soupamario, you're not allowed to edit your posts.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Same questions to Ryker.

Since you just mentioned it: You play Epic Mafia? Thanks for telling us because I used to play myself and I know that No Lynching on Day 1 is standard but this is not the case in form mafia. Our lynches are not based on figuring out night actions and claims - we base them on reads off individual players and through discussion. It's a lot moer "organic" and player based than Epic Mafia, which is mechanical and based on the set-up [and often luck as well].

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Playing IC can make you highly suspected in some eyes, and seeing how you have just stated
"I'm the most experienced player in a roster with a lot of relatively new players" means you know (if you are actually mafia) can play most of them like fiddles.

also, i see so many people lurking, waiting for the right chance to strike at someone.. *COUGH* KUZ *COUGH*

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not to be conceited but my tracking record of finding scum is quite notably above anybody else's in this game. I find it weird how people have such a positive / indifferent stance on bigger cases and on how they're useful to find scum when I *know* they are not needed at all as I've never used them myself after becoming a "good" player.

I'm going to stand to my points and will continue to think of large cases as anti-town behavior.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's perfectly fine, that can be a towntell at times, however, i havent seen many fingers pointed at you (besides myself) or fingers pointed at anyone else.

i would like some actual reasons, and some actual FoS'es, please.