Discussion thread for the 2024 USA election

[CannonStreak]

Yes, we do, but this is not the time for that ****. One candidate is a convicted felon, sexual abuser, and incited an army's worth of people to storm the U.S Capitol in a temper tantrum when he lost.

The other one laughs funny and didn't do all that stuff. The answer has literally never been more clear.

Well, good thing I voted Kamala. You are right, now definitely is not the time for that.

I just wanted to point out something about my thoughts on this, that is all.

 

[Nah]

Here's the thing

As with every election featuring the orange buffoon, this isn't even a fight where the issues are taking center stage. This is a fight of someone with a reasonably level head vs. An egotistical man child who openly supports objectively evil policies. In an era where a lot of the government supports these radical beliefs. Now isn't the time for this half-empty "oh well both sides are bad" centrist ****.

The person who wins this controls the largest military force in the planet exclusively. I'd love it to abolish the party system but now is not the time to be resting on laurels which is what you are doing. You can pull this **** next time when Trump is dead or behind bars for the rest of his life.

How's our chance to put a confirmed criminal despot behind bars. We **** this up, and he pardons himself instead of facing punishment for his crimes.

I am not a centrist, at least not in the American view of what counts as “centrist”.

People keep conjuring up this false dichotomy of the two parties where Trump and the GOP are a bunch psychopathic fascists while Harris and the Dems are—while not perfect—normal, sane, mostly good people trying their best. The former half of that statement is true, the latter is not.

There is no pragmatism in voting for the Democrats. I am not asking them to be perfect, I am asking them to give me reason to believe that they will lead us to a different destination.

 

[Sucumbio]

I am not a centrist, at least not in the American view of what counts as “centrist”.

People keep conjuring up this false dichotomy of the two parties where Trump and the GOP are a bunch psychopathic fascists while Harris and the Dems are—while not perfect—normal, sane, mostly good people trying their best. The former half of that statement is true, the latter is not.

There is no pragmatism in voting for the Democrats. I am not asking them to be perfect, I am asking them to give me reason to believe that they will lead us to a different destination.

The ACA was and still is the most important legislation to pass since the Patriot Act. Let's not forget the real reason we're here. It's because the Tea Party ruined Eisenhower Republicanism. So yes, Republicans and Magas (Tea Party remnants) may as well be the same thing because the alternative was lost years ago and they have no one to take up the reigns. At least Kamala Harris is from a better generation of politician. She's (just) old enough to remember life before Roe and is at an age to do something about it now that she's witnessed it's removal.

 

[KillerCage]

I just don't want Trump to win again. I saw a lot of Trump ads out on the road sides and quite a number of people were wearing Trump caps and shirts when I went to vote early. I do have some hope since the 13 Keys guys is predicting Harris to win, but these are unusual times and the one time his prediction was wrong was the 2000 election due to the whole Florida snafu.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I am not a centrist, at least not in the American view of what counts as “centrist”.

People keep conjuring up this false dichotomy of the two parties where Trump and the GOP are a bunch psychopathic fascists while Harris and the Dems are—while not perfect—normal, sane, mostly good people trying their best. The former half of that statement is true, the latter is not.

There is no pragmatism in voting for the Democrats. I am not asking them to be perfect, I am asking them to give me reason to believe that they will lead us to a different destination.

This is the exact kind of idiotic thinking that centrists pull. "Well neither side aligns to my beliefs perfectly or does what I want so they're both just as bad!"

The Trump administration and their idiotic followers have literally drafted up a plan to turn American into a fascist dictatorship.

The Democrats are at the very least ensuring a future in which Americans have a right to vote for their preferred candidates. Just because the administration doesn't do everything you want doesn't mean voting for them isn't pragmatic, it just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

From your wording it sounds like you aren't even American, so if that's the case, you've got no authority to speak on our politics, especially if you're too blind to realize that one side is objectively evil and that voting for the side that isn't that is correct.

Democrats suck at pushing legislation, that's not up for debate, but I'd rather have slow progress or at the least digging in the heels at the ground we have than a country where the president can turn the military on citizens for being gay.

 

[CannonStreak]

This is the exact kind of idiotic thinking that centrists pull. "Well neither side aligns to my beliefs perfectly or does what I want so they're both just as bad!"

The Trump administration and their idiotic followers have literally drafted up a plan to turn American into a fascist dictatorship.

The Democrats are at the very least ensuring a future in which Americans have a right to vote for their preferred candidates. Just because the administration doesn't do everything you want doesn't mean voting for them isn't pragmatic, it just makes you look like an ignorant fool.

From your wording it sounds like you aren't even American, so if that's the case, you've got no authority to speak on our politics, especially if you're too blind to realize that one side is objectively evil and that voting for the side that isn't that is correct.

Democrats suck at pushing legislation, that's not up for debate, but I'd rather have slow progress or at the least digging in the heels at the ground we have than a country where the president can turn the military on citizens for being gay.

EDIT: Never mind. She (Nah) is from America. But I do agree with the centrist part. I am not sure if she is aware of how centrist she is acting, or maybe is, though.

 

[StoicPhantom]

I still think StoicPhantom is going by conspiracies (even if he is not republican, he seemed more like it based on what may be conspiracy theories) and in Nah's case, superstition.

PROOF????

Now isn't the time for this half-empty "oh well both sides are bad" centrist ****.

This is the exact kind of idiotic thinking that centrists pull. "Well neither side aligns to my beliefs perfectly or does what I want so they're both just as bad!"

From your wording it sounds like you aren't even American, so if that's the case, you've got no authority to speak on our politics, especially if you're too blind to realize that one side is objectively evil and that voting for the side that isn't that is correct.

Democrats suck at pushing legislation, that's not up for debate, but I'd rather have slow progress or at the least digging in the heels at the ground we have than a country where the president can turn the military on citizens for being gay.

There's drinking the punch and there's swimming in the stale, sticky, syrupy mess from 2016. You realize Trump was in fact president and the world didn't immediately explode, right?

But for all your bluster, I've noticed you've been sidestepping the genocide question pretty hard. Even the International Court of Justice has ruled that what Israel is doing is genocide. Which means that saying Israel has a right to defend itself is now a dogwhistle for fascism and genocide. And Harris has gone on record recently that she supports Israel's right to defend itself.

Does not supporting genocide fall into the "not aligning perfectly with one's beliefs" strawman? Is genocide in fact one of those things we say that we don't really like the idea of but we are willing to overlook if it means team blue gets in power? Can we play that game where we act like not supporting genocide is ideal but we have to be pragmatic and only get 80% of what we want which is... going down with the sinking ship that is Israel?

Kind of a ****ing dumb framing to be putting on genocide, innit?

This is exactly how fascism starts for the historically illiterate. Hitler came in power after the lesser of two evils of his time aided fascist death squads murdering left-wing activists before they turned the guns towards them. This type of thinking has always led to fascism because lesser evils/neoliberals/centrists/whatever prefer fascism over those who want prosperity in order to entrench their power. And they somehow never make the link between those fascists being the enforcement of their power and being toothless without those fascists' support. For some reason they always think they're so damn smart and conniving that they can control fascism for their own ends. And it ends poorly every time.

You really think supporting fascism abroad will somehow insulate you from fascism at home? Have you no clue about even your recent American history? It has not even been a generation since the Democrats openly supported homophobic policies, as Nah pointed out, and you think your precious LGBTWTFBBQ is sacred and thus protected from reproach? The party that is most known for its flip-flopping is the only thing standing in the way of disrespecting trans rights?

Ask brown people how the current identity politics has been working out for them. No, not those brown people. The other brown people that had the Democrats painting them as terrorists, supported unjustified invasions on their countries, and are now supporting genocide on their people. Where is the DP's staunch support for identity politics when it comes to them? Oh right, they got in the way of money and power so the DP's support for them has mysteriously dried up.


You are absolutely and utterly delusional if you still push lesser of two evils bull**** in Current Year. The main argument was that this was supposed to be temporary to deal with Donald Trump in 2016 and we would go back to sensible political approaches. Almost a decade later and this has become the DP's main strategy in lieu of anything else. They're not even hiding it anymore it literally is just vote blue no matter who or you are a terrible person somehow. And now we're at the point we (you) are trying to lesser of two evils genocide. That's not "slow progress" or "digging heels in" that's falling backward off a 500 foot cliff.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

PROOF????





There's drinking the punch and there's swimming in the stale, sticky, syrupy mess from 2016. You realize Trump was in fact president and the world didn't immediately explode, right?

But for all your bluster, I've noticed you've been sidestepping the genocide question pretty hard. Even the International Court of Justice has ruled that what Israel is doing is genocide. Which means that saying Israel has a right to defend itself is now a dogwhistle for fascism and genocide. And Harris has gone on record recently that she supports Israel's right to defend itself.

Does not supporting genocide fall into the "not aligning perfectly with one's beliefs" strawman? Is genocide in fact one of those things we say that we don't really like the idea of but we are willing to overlook if it means team blue gets in power? Can we play that game where we act like not supporting genocide is ideal but we have to be pragmatic and only get 80% of what we want which is... going down with the sinking ship that is Israel?

Kind of a ****ing dumb framing to be putting on genocide, innit?

This is exactly how fascism starts for the historically illiterate. Hitler came in power after the lesser of two evils of his time aided fascist death squads murdering left-wing activists before they turned the guns towards them. This type of thinking has always led to fascism because lesser evils/neoliberals/centrists/whatever prefer fascism over those who want prosperity in order to entrench their power. And they somehow never make the link between those fascists being the enforcement of their power and being toothless without those fascists' support. For some reason they always think they're so damn smart and conniving that they can control fascism for their own ends. And it ends poorly every time.

You really think supporting fascism abroad will somehow insulate you from fascism at home? Have you no clue about even your recent American history? It has not even been a generation since the Democrats openly supported homophobic policies, as Nah pointed out, and you think your precious LGBTWTFBBQ is sacred and thus protected from reproach? The party that is most known for its flip-flopping is the only thing standing in the way of disrespecting trans rights?

Ask brown people how the current identity politics has been working out for them. No, not those brown people. The other brown people that had the Democrats painting them as terrorists, supported unjustified invasions on their countries, and are now supporting genocide on their people. Where is the DP's staunch support for identity politics when it comes to them? Oh right, they got in the way of money and power so the DP's support for them has mysteriously dried up.


You are absolutely and utterly delusional if you still push lesser of two evils bull**** in Current Year. The main argument was that this was supposed to be temporary to deal with Donald Trump in 2016 and we would go back to sensible political approaches. Almost a decade later and this has become the DP's main strategy in lieu of anything else. They're not even hiding it anymore it literally is just vote blue no matter who or you are a terrible person somehow. And now we're at the point we (you) are trying to lesser of two evils genocide. That's not "slow progress" or "digging heels in" that's falling backward off a 500 foot cliff.

I haven't addressed the Palestine-Israel stuff because it's completely irrelevant to the conversation when both of the candidates prime to win will either (1.) do nothing to denounce it or (2.) openly support it. But to make my personal stance clear: Palestine deserves to exist. Israel deserves to exist. Both of them should leave each other the **** alone.

The only delusional one here is you thinking that the man who said "vote for me this time and you won't have to do it again" isn't just just Hitler for a new generation. The only reason things weren't worse when Trump was in office was because Democrats controlled half of congress and because the moron wasn't on a bloodlusted revenge quest. He literally implied that someone opposing him should face a firing squad YESTERDAY. He is as blatantly evil as they come, and the entire rest of the world knows it and mocks us for voting a maniac like him into office the first time.

I'm not pushing "lesser of two evils" - I want candidates to run on purely their own ethical platform, and not for a party. But there is a line in the sand between the two that has never been clearer and only braindead idiots pull this contrarian crap you're pulling. You're looking for an excuse not to be the bad guy when you might as well be supporting the orange menace. At least back when Obama and Romney were around the candidates had enough respect to shake hands. Note which one fails that test, because he has no integrity.

Since your brain has so clearly been rotted by FOX News, let me break it down for you

Kamala: Supports Israel
Trump: Supports Israel and Project 2025, is a known sexual offender, convicted 34-count felon, has early signs of dementia, wears adult diapers, and inspired an insurrection on the Capitol building due to his childish temper tantrum, not to mention just validated a **** ton of people to turn their guns against their neighbor. Oh, and we have a literal homeland terrorist group (the Proud Boys) going around to polling places today in support of this supposedly "annointed by God" prick. ****. Off.

I hate "vote blue no matter who." It's stupid, but right now, the answer has never been clearer that we do NOT need Trump again. Not with the existence of Project 2025 AND Congress currently being red.

 

[CannonStreak]

I do agree with Capybara Gaming. Plus, if you want proof for something that is apparent, StoicPhantom, you will have to look for it yourself. Try thinking hard on it, by the way. I know people like you well, and I am not playing your game.

Plus, you once said nothing was good about the democrats. That couldn't be more wrong. I know the democrats have more good in them than you think. You are just listening to the wrong sources; news, family, friends and all. You just don't seem to understand the democrats that well.

If you are no republican, you are still a centrist, and those are clearly conspiracy theories you are listening too.

 

[StoicPhantom]

haven't addressed the Palestine-Israel stuff because it's completely irrelevant to the conversation when both of the candidates prime to win will either (1.) do nothing to denounce it or (2.) openly support it. But to make my personal stance clear: Palestine deserves to exist. Israel deserves to exist. Both of them should leave each other the **** alone.

Lol, did you just same thing both sides after whining about me doing it?

But at least we're getting somewhere.

Alright, both candidates support fascism and genocide, which is... basically the lowest bar possible. I guess maybe ecocide, which both candidates support, is worse? And your main argument here is that one candidate is a little too happy about being a genocidal fascist so we have to vote for the other one you admit is a genocidal fascist because... she's a little more quiet about it?

Thank you for proving my and Nah's point about the lesser of two evils approach. In less than ten years we went from promoting change to trying to burn down the world because we can't be its supreme overlord. This is the logical conclusion to the lesser of two evils mentality where you are unironically arguing between two genocidal fascists based on how belated they are about being one.

We could have had Bernie. We could have had milquetoast reforms to set our country back on the right track. Instead, we're going to go down in history as the next global fascist uprising since Nazi Germany. The lesser of two evils extends all the way back to Goldwater vs Johnson and people are still trying to push this bull****.

I don't like it but... is all I hear from people like you. You sure do like doing things you supposedly don't like doing. From 2016 onward there's been this bizarre martyr mentality where people like yourself make false dichotomies while claiming you're the only one standing in the way of complete destruction. And yet, here we are...

Plus, if you want proof for something that is apparent, StoicPhantom, you will have to look for it yourself. Try thinking hard on it, by the way.

That's not how this works at all. You don't ignore my well-reasoned post by just saying "nuh-uh" and "you're wrong" and then tell me I have to do my own homework. I have no ****ing clue what your problem is with my posts so how could I just look it up? You think I'm wrong but you don't tell me how I'm wrong. You just make overly broad generalizations while insulting my intelligence without ever clarifying your stance.

If you're going to make a claim you are expected to at least provide reasoning instead of just saying "I'm right, you're wrong" and calling me names.

 

[CannonStreak]

Lol, did you just same thing both sides after whining about me doing it?

But at least we're getting somewhere.

Alright, both candidates support fascism and genocide, which is... basically the lowest bar possible. I guess maybe ecocide, which both candidates support, is worse? And your main argument here is that one candidate is a little too happy about being a genocidal fascist so we have to vote for the other one you admit is a genocidal fascist because... she's a little more quiet about it?

Thank you for proving my and Nah's point about the lesser of two evils approach. In less than ten years we went from promoting change to trying to burn down the world because we can't be its supreme overlord. This is the logical conclusion to the lesser of two evils mentality where you are unironically arguing between two genocidal fascists based on how belated they are about being one.

We could have had Bernie. We could have had milquetoast reforms to set our country back on the right track. Instead, we're going to go down in history as the next global fascist uprising since Nazi Germany. The lesser of two evils extends all the way back to Goldwater vs Johnson and people are still trying to push this bull****.

I don't like it but... is all I hear from people like you. You sure do like doing things you supposedly don't like doing. From 2016 onward there's been this bizarre martyr mentality where people like yourself make false dichotomies while claiming you're the only standing in the way of complete destruction. And yet, here we are...





That's not how this works at all. You don't ignore my well-reasoned post by just saying "nuh-uh" and "you're wrong" and then tell me I have to do my own homework. I have no ****ing clue what your problem is with my posts so how could I just look it up? You think I'm wrong but you don't tell me how I'm wrong. You just make overly broad generalizations while insulting my intelligence without ever clarifying your stance.

If you're going to make a claim you are expected to at least provide reasoning instead of just saying "I'm right, you're wrong" and calling me names.

For the record, I never did insult you or call you bad names. Nor did I say you were necessarily wrong. Just about the democrats, but I am sure of it. You are just being defensive. Also, I do not think your claims are well reasoned, as it is based on things that are not true, and biased. But I know how you will react, which is why I don’t need to tell you anything. Maybe I should just leave you in the dark. There is no point in arguing with someone too adamant on their stance to the point that they don’t listen to others about anything. That is all something I have dealt with all too well. You are not that different.

And I wasn’t arguing much, I was just trying to end my thoughts here. I know this will be pointless. I will say that you are generalizing democrats, who are not all the same, and from what I have seen, they are no where near as bad as you say. You made your thoughts clear, I don’t need to prove anything. You are not changing my mind. That is all.

 

[StoicPhantom]

Just about the democrats, but I am sure of it.

Also, I do not think your claims are well reasoned, as it is based on things that are not true

This is exactly what I'm talking about. How am I wrong about anything I said about the democrats? Why are my claims based on things that aren't true? Your whole counterargument was basically that not all democrats feel that way or think that way. I didn't make that claim. I'm saying the DP has official stances that are bad, routinely trample on democratic principle in their own internal processes, and people still support them. Whether or not one personally agrees with it doesn't really matter if you still vote in support of it. If you champion the DP, vote for them, among other forms of support, you are still getting grouped as "democrat" whether you feel you agree with their official policy. Because why the **** else would you support them if you don't actually support them?

If you don't want to continue this conversation that is fine, but don't start it if you can't finish it in the first place.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

Some early results on Decision Desk

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Lol, did you just same thing both sides after whining about me doing it?

But at least we're getting somewhere.

Alright, both candidates support fascism and genocide, which is... basically the lowest bar possible. I guess maybe ecocide, which both candidates support, is worse? And your main argument here is that one candidate is a little too happy about being a genocidal fascist so we have to vote for the other one you admit is a genocidal fascist because... she's a little more quiet about it?

Thank you for proving my and Nah's point about the lesser of two evils approach. In less than ten years we went from promoting change to trying to burn down the world because we can't be its supreme overlord. This is the logical conclusion to the lesser of two evils mentality where you are unironically arguing between two genocidal fascists based on how belated they are about being one.

We could have had Bernie. We could have had milquetoast reforms to set our country back on the right track. Instead, we're going to go down in history as the next global fascist uprising since Nazi Germany. The lesser of two evils extends all the way back to Goldwater vs Johnson and people are still trying to push this bull****.

I don't like it but... is all I hear from people like you. You sure do like doing things you supposedly don't like doing. From 2016 onward there's been this bizarre martyr mentality where people like yourself make false dichotomies while claiming you're the only one standing in the way of complete destruction. And yet, here we are...





That's not how this works at all. You don't ignore my well-reasoned post by just saying "nuh-uh" and "you're wrong" and then tell me I have to do my own homework. I have no ****ing clue what your problem is with my posts so how could I just look it up? You think I'm wrong but you don't tell me how I'm wrong. You just make overly broad generalizations while insulting my intelligence without ever clarifying your stance.

If you're going to make a claim you are expected to at least provide reasoning instead of just saying "I'm right, you're wrong" and calling me names.

No, Kamala is not a fascist, you're just an extremist whose head is so far up your own butt sniffing your own fart fumes that you fail to recognize that no candidate will ever satisfy you. You're an idiot, and I'm done talking to you.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

What a nice civil conversation between two individuals who respect each other.

 

[StoicPhantom]

No, Kamala is not a fascist, you're just an extremist whose head is so far up your own butt sniffing your own fart fumes that you fail to recognize that no candidate will ever satisfy you. You're an idiot, and I'm done talking to you.

You admitted she supports Israel, which as we all know has gone genocidal fascist, so therefore she supports fascism and genocide. How does supporting genocide and fascism not make one fascist?

Linkmain-maybe The blood feud between Bernie Bros and Hil shills is eternal.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Some early results on Decision Desk

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Illinois always flips blue, I don't know why it's marked as red unless it's just starting with all the rural counties. Google's results are updating in real time.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

It tallies the votes in real time, and it did flip blue right now.

 

[CannonStreak]

Remember, everyone, remember to provide proof for your claims. Just saying things without proof, like what some people did, (not naming anyone) won’t make you look good. Still, there is a possibility some won’t listen even if you do. Try not to reason with those people if that is the case.

 

[StoicPhantom]

Remember, everyone, remember to provide proof for your claims. Just saying things without proof, like what some people did, (not naming anyone) won’t make you look good. Still, there is a possibility some won’t listen even if you do. Try not to reason with those people if that is the case.

Like, I have a lot of evidence backing up everything I've said, but I want to make sure you have a coherent idea of a counterargument before I bother digging it all out.

 

[KillerCage]

Please don't let North Carolina go red again.
I am getting stressed out over this.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

Updated

 

[NintenRob]

Please, I can't put up with four more years (or more) of the most hateful **** to grace my TV. I'm so over him and I'm not even American. I'm sick of his **** clogging up so much of what I see online

 

[Capybara Gaming]

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Updated

It's currently 210 - 230 in favor of the Drump.

Nevada and Alaska haven't started counting yet. Nevada is worth 6 votes and Alaska is worth 3.

Arizona is slight red lean (50% vs. 49.2%) - Worth 11 Votes
Minnesota is a sizable blue lean (50.9% vs. 47%) - Worth 10 Votes
Wisconsin is a sizable red lean (51.2% vs. 47.3%) - Worth 10 Votes
Michigan is an even bigger red lean (52.3% vs. 45.9%) - Thanks Bill Clinton. Worth 15 Votes
Pennsylvania is a slight red lean (50.9% vs. 48.1%) - Worth 19 Votes
Georgia is a slight red lean (50.8% vs. 48.5%) - Worth 16 Votes
New Hampshire is a sizable blue lean (51.4% vs. 47.6%) - Worth 4 Votes
Maine is a large blue lean (52.7% vs 44.8%) - Worth 4 Votes but splits votes based on District

In-person day of votes get counted first, which means early votes have not been counted yet, so Dems don't give up hope yet. It looks grim, but we still have a chance.

Edit: Trump took Georgia, putting him at 246.

In order to have the best chance of winning, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota must flip blue. Minnesota is likely, but Arizona and Penn are both slight red lean.

 

[Linkmain-maybe]

Final post

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Look like Trump on his track on winning.

Guess you can't Stump the Trump. Congrats but i guess for some, it will be a nightmare but oh well.

Please, I can't put up with four more years (or more) of the most hateful ** to grace my TV. I'm so over him and I'm not even American. I'm sick of his ** clogging up so much of what I see online

You could just turn off the television and move on, no?

 

[Alicorn]

If this is the outcome. I guess this forum can close now.

Am I disappointed? Yes but I feel there is a sliverlinging in this.


The Democrats will have to start over, and see where they went wrong which could lead to a better party in the future.

The Republicans are stuck with Trump and will have a hard time moving on from him. Because he is the main draw of the party.

As for everything else, its going to be a difficult 4 years. Trump is a felon and has been proven to have committed SA no world leader is going to think highly of him. Certainly not Putin or Xi who will use Trump as a contrast to their own leadership. Then there is Elon Musk...and RFK...they are not qualified for the positions they seek.

It is a tough pill to swallow but I do have hope that things will be better in 2028.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

There are still votes that haven't been counted. The news does not declare the presidency, it's merely a prediction.

But genuinely... the fact that it has even been this close makes me disappointed in every last part of my country. The ******* should have been disqualified from ever taking office again after inciting insurrection.

 

[Alicorn]

I am shocked too but I feel this is the GOP's last chance at power for awhile. If they go too far they won't be able to hold the midterms.

So Trump and the GOP needs to be careful. If Trump does not deliver its over for the GOP as the business party

 

[Perkilator]

No matter what happens in the next four years, don’t give up. We’re in this together. Tell everyone else you love the same thing. As long as we keep fighting, we’ll get through this. The one silver lining in all of this is that Trump won’t be able to run again after this term.

 

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Looks like everyone is going to be learning what the word Kakistocracy is pretty soon.

Will have to wait for the full results, but for the moment, all I can tell is that the country has made a hard shift to the right the last decade and that we're now seeing the full effects of it. You can't really blame the Electoral College this time as it appears that Trump will win the popular vote for the first time. Harris under-performed even in the Bluest States like New York/New Jersey and Tim Walz as a running mate didn't seem to give a Home-State boost either.

I do think the result will be that in 2028, depending on the state of the country, we'll certainly see Democrats move to the right to keep up with the big issue being Immigration. I don't see Democrats gaining momentum again until they are able to better sell a policy or at least finally take Immigration off the table as an issue by caving in further to Republican demands beyond the bill the GOP presented/Trump killed earlier this year. How any of this will effect the 2028 Primary will be especially interesting. I don't want to say the throughline of the failures of both Clinton/Harris is being a Female Candidate, but it's getting real hard to not think that way given how well comparatively I thought Harris ran her campaign. Certainly Democrats will need to persue additional investment in Social Media outlits as a traditional ground/money/endorcement gain doesn't seem to be reeping much benefit anymore.

NATO I think could go either way given how easy it is to cozy up to Trump, but we'll certainly see an increased body count in Ukraine that will result in some form of territorial loss. Putin will be very much emboldened and Europe will be more ready throw in the towel and pressure Ukraine into striking a deal. How this plays out will certainly effect China's calculus as it relates to Taiwan, but I'm not quite ready to make assumptions given our greater strategic interests there.

The Palestinians are going to have to brace for even more hardship than before. Biden absolutely messed up when he thought he influence Netanyahu (especially as his support has seen a Wartime Boost), but I also think people overestimate the influence the US has abroad. The real question comes down to how complicit the US will be in terms of the civilian deaths. I'm not quite sure how Harris would do things differently than Biden beyond being less naive about the state of Israeli government, but certainly we all know that Trump is friends with Netanyahu and views the relationship as primarily transactional. Trump will certainly not hesitate to send weapons or raise objections about how Netanyahu conducts the war.

Things on the domestic front I think are less certain given how deep of a Kakistocracy we become; at the time of this post, control of the House has yet to be called. Trump will still be engaged in legal battles and will likely be distracted or expend some political capital to dismiss the cases against him. Certainly we'll see some Supreme Court retirements before the Midterms in 2026 so the far right supermajority will be further emboldened for the next Generation or two at least.

I'm not sure how well Trump's ecomonic plan will pan out as I would think that even Republicans would realize how stupid of an idea mass tarriffs would be; but then again we got into a Trade War with China and lost Billions of Dollars/job losses the last time he was in office, so who knows. I'm sure the money to bail out Farmers again will be found somewhere (since it's not Socialism if Republicans do it).

I can't say that I have looked into the Mass Deportation plan that he's proposed given ergonomics involved. As far as I can tell, best case senario is sadly anyone looking a different color in mostly Red States being inconvenienced i.e. being temporarily detained in whatever jail/camp they set up to hold people in. Worst case is mass paranoia, Troops on the streets, and the economy tanking.

And of course, we'll see grifting of tax payer money on a massive scale. Vance I think will be a much more active player than Pence was and will do everything in his power to position himself for a future run at the Presidency; as much as I see speculation about Vance removing Trump via the 25th Amendment. Certainly should things favor Democrats better in 2028, it's hard to see Vance not attempting to muddy the water in the ways that Pence didn't.


Feels good to get this off my chest at the very least. Not sure if I'll respond to any quotes as I feel they'll just make me more stressed and that it's 6am right now and I couldn't sleep. Please take care of yourself and remember you're not alone in any of this. If you need to talk, my DMs are always open.

 

[Nah]

btw before anyone gets even more pissy at me, Harris won my state (NJ) by 5 points and most of the congressional seats went blue (some by large margins), so you can **** off if you want to blame me

centrists

Perhaps a picture will help illustrate what I mean:

America has always skewed to the right, it didn't suddenly go from "normal" to far right over the past decade. Both major parties are in fact right-wing parties. But because of this skew and how our politics has been completely dominated by the Democrats and Republicans for all of current living memory, many Americans aren't even aware that something exists to the left of the Dems. I'm not coming from some place between the two, I'm coming from a place to the left of all three of them.

Am I disappointed? Yes but I feel there is a sliverlinging in this.


The Democrats will have to start over, and see where they went wrong which could lead to a better party in the future.

I wouldn't really expect them to. Chances are they're going to blame everyone but themselves for their losses. Or at the very least, not understand why some people did not find them appealing.

Like, if Michigan ends up going to Trump later today, I almost can't wait for them to blame it on the Arab-American community, as if gleefully aiding the genocide of their overseas friends, family, and brethren was never supposed to be a valid reason to not vote for either political party.

 

[Xfire]

Looks like everyone is going to be learning what the word Kakistocracy is pretty soon.

Will have to wait for the full results, but for the moment, all I can tell is that the country has made a hard shift to the right the last decade and that we're now seeing the full effects of it. You can't really blame the Electoral College this time as it appears that Trump will win the popular vote for the first time. Harris under-performed even in the Bluest States like New York/New Jersey and Tim Walz as a running mate didn't seem to give a Home-State boost either.

I do think the result will be that in 2028, depending on the state of the country, we'll certainly see Democrats move to the right to keep up with the big issue being Immigration. I don't see Democrats gaining momentum again until they are able to better sell a policy or at least finally take Immigration off the table as an issue by caving in further to Republican demands beyond the bill the GOP presented/Trump killed earlier this year. How any of this will effect the 2028 Primary will be especially interesting. I don't want to say the throughline of the failures of both Clinton/Harris is being a Female Candidate, but it's getting real hard to not think that way given how well comparatively I thought Harris ran her campaign. Certainly Democrats will need to persue additional investment in Social Media outlits as a traditional ground/money/endorcement gain doesn't seem to be reeping much benefit anymore.

NATO I think could go either way given how easy it is to cozy up to Trump, but we'll certainly see an increased body count in Ukraine that will result in some form of territorial loss. Putin will be very much emboldened and Europe will be more ready throw in the towel and pressure Ukraine into striking a deal. How this plays out will certainly effect China's calculus as it relates to Taiwan, but I'm not quite ready to make assumptions given our greater strategic interests there.

The Palestinians are going to have to brace for even more hardship than before. Biden absolutely messed up when he thought he influence Netanyahu (especially as his support has seen a Wartime Boost), but I also think people overestimate the influence the US has abroad. The real question comes down to how complicit the US will be in terms of the civilian deaths. I'm not quite sure how Harris would do things differently than Biden beyond being less naive about the state of Israeli government, but certainly we all know that Trump is friends with Netanyahu and views the relationship as primarily transactional. Trump will certainly not hesitate to send weapons or raise objections about how Netanyahu conducts the war.

Things on the domestic front I think are less certain given how deep of a Kakistocracy we become; at the time of this post, control of the House has yet to be called. Trump will still be engaged in legal battles and will likely be distracted or expend some political capital to dismiss the cases against him. Certainly we'll see some Supreme Court retirements before the Midterms in 2026 so the far right supermajority will be further emboldened for the next Generation or two at least.

I'm not sure how well Trump's ecomonic plan will pan out as I would think that even Republicans would realize how stupid of an idea mass tarriffs would be; but then again we got into a Trade War with China and lost Billions of Dollars/job losses the last time he was in office, so who knows. I'm sure the money to bail out Farmers again will be found somewhere (since it's not Socialism if Republicans do it).

I can't say that I have looked into the Mass Deportation plan that he's proposed given ergonomics involved. As far as I can tell, best case senario is sadly anyone looking a different color in mostly Red States being inconvenienced i.e. being temporarily detained in whatever jail/camp they set up to hold people in. Worst case is mass paranoia, Troops on the streets, and the economy tanking.

And of course, we'll see grifting of tax payer money on a massive scale. Vance I think will be a much more active player than Pence was and will do everything in his power to position himself for a future run at the Presidency; as much as I see speculation about Vance removing Trump via the 25th Amendment. Certainly should things favor Democrats better in 2028, it's hard to see Vance not attempting to muddy the water in the ways that Pence didn't.


Feels good to get this off my chest at the very least. Not sure if I'll respond to any quotes as I feel they'll just make me more stressed and that it's 6am right now and I couldn't sleep. Please take care of yourself and remember you're not alone in any of this. If you need to talk, my DMs are always open.

As a great reminder, you have a great heart. Don't lose it. It's not worth using the remaining time becoming a monster.

Funnily enough, a few days ago I was watching a mini-documentary about Native American history and Biden's Apology speech that occurred two weeks ago. Spoilers, but it had a surprise appearance of Palestine protestors who think this gesture is just some empty virtue signaling. To their credit, it probably is since Biden ghosted the Natives when he promised an extended meeting after his speech.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

This country gets the president it f*** deserves. If only the women, LGBT, poor, and minorities didn't have to suffer because of it.

 

[NintenRob]

You could just turn off the television and move on, no?

Oh yes, I'll disconnect entirely from online space. I just won't find out what's on the news ever again. That'll solve all my problems. I'll quit my job so I don't have to listen to the work radio. I'll throw my phone in the river so I don't see anything ever again. I'll move to the mountains and live in isolation so I can "move on." Thank you wonderful advice, what an absolutely elegant solution


/S

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Oh yes, I'll disconnect entirely from online space. I just won't find out what's on the news ever again. That'll solve all my problems. I'll quit my job so I don't have to listen to the work radio. I'll throw my phone in the river so I don't see anything ever again. I'll move to the mountains and live in isolation so I can "move on." Thank you wonderful advice, what an absolutely elegant solution


/S

Oh Woe is Me.

You never heard of mute and block before? Turn off the radio? Logging-out? Any sort of personal agency?

 

[Nah]

House race is finally over

https://apnews.com/article/republicans-house-elections-e3754a684a7b96b129841d4b207c15e9

Not sure why it took so much longer than nearly everything else, but there it is