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All of frag's "hunches" about Bungle being scummy based on him taking the leadership role is suspicious with me. Especially since it came right after Bungle voted for him.
What I mean when I say you are keeping questioning off of yourself is that you spend your time posing questions to others, because it keeps focus off of yourself.
The very fact that you continue to take the attention away from yourself is my reasoning against you. If people are too busy following your leads then they won't take the time to make their own.
Saying that it's "convenient" is really shady to me. I mean it's up to people to ask questions. Bungle was asking what people thought about the game, that's not keeping suspicion off him.
It just seems suspicious that Frag would attempt to call out Bungle because of him asking questions, as opposed to just asking Bungle what he thought about the game and stuff.
But this is just me. What do you guys think about frag?
Well first of all, I encourage people to read through all a person's posts. It really helped me separate (in this case, Vrael) from the mess, and you can analyze better when you're not just going off memory and right at the moment stuff.
So for Vrael;
At first, just trying to figure out the game. He then gets into the game by adding to the discussion on rPSI. Most of my reasoning to him probably being town is owed to his points on rPSI. If he was mafia, I don't think he would be suspicious of rPSI the way he was. Look through his posts, they are really logical and explore a lot of the possibilities.
That's basically why, but you can see more when you read his posts.
Hint hint I'm being lazy and don't want to dig up all his posts and link you to the ones I think are important.
Also not related to Vrael;
It's interesting to note that mafia just killed rPSI and didn't leave him alive so we could kill him on D2, and they could kill someone else. But I guess that's because they knew that by lynching Rei, they had already got one of us out of the way, plus, he would have investigated.
I would exploit the fact that they don't know the finer points of the game, and ask questions that would unknowingly reveal them as Mafia. I would use D1 to try to pin down, with some certainty, what role each plays.
Frag saying his grand plan for things. This is semi useless. However, he was saying the little "what if" schemes. Which are never quite what they seem. Usually said to try to distract from what they are really doing.
I'm aware of this, but considering we don't know how many scum there are, then our chances of having a sure thing as opposed to randomly killing scum are low.
Why the hell would you be suspicious of people just because they have played before. The roles are assigned to everyone randomly. An experienced player has no more chance than an inexperienced player at getting mafia/town.
I don't understand how my saying day 1 is crucial means I think I'll leak anything. It just means you can use day 1 to establish posting habits of the players. While I'm quite aware of the fact that day 1 voting is pretty much random, that doesn't mean we should write off anything that a person might say.
He actually said something legitimate! Oh wait, read it again. He just says "stuff that is posted day 1 is important." Duh? Then he randomly votes for Rei. He hasn't said he was suspicious of Rei at all, yet out of nowhere he votes for Rei.
Fragbait is trying to use personality as a determining factor for who is mafia and who isn't. He is just grasping at straws with this one. He isn't making legitimate cases against people, he is just attitude playing.
His case against Rei has to do with short and sweet with posts. Which makes him think that he is watching what they say. I watch what I say. I use the preview post button. I can guarantee that everyone in this game is "watching" what they say.
His case against Bungle is. "You are trying to be helpful! YOU SCUM."
What I mean when I say you are keeping questioning off of yourself is that you spend your time posing questions to others, because it keeps focus off of yourself.
Apparently, if you ask a question you are trying to keep suspicion off of yourself. I guess it isn't really someone try to get an answer to try to build a case.
Other than my previously stated reasoning, I haven't found a reason to suspect you any further. Of course, I have to be suspicious of everyone right now.
I've been offline, -Rei-. I have a life outside town xD
As for Bungle, I've already mentioned the fact he's taking a leadership role to be suspicious. I explained my reasoning. As a matter of fact, I was one of the first to question him at all.
Unvote; Vote: Bungle
He has expressed worry over the lynch since heat has started to shift to him. I find this suspicious.
So if bungle didn't try to help the town then someone else would have taken the initiative? What if nobody did? What if Bungle is trying to help everyone out because they are new?
The very fact that you continue to take the attention away from yourself is my reasoning against you. If people are too busy following your leads then they won't take the time to make their own.
He really isn't spreading suspicion. He is investigating. He is asking questions, looking at posts, try to read people. He is playing the game correctly.
This is something to be worried about. Scum can easily make false information sound great, especially with new players about. If he is scum, he's not leading us to any.
Wingz: I haven't seen enough from you to tell. While your habits so far tell me that you are being very careful as to what you say, I can understand why.
Kevin: Very hard to read. He seems to want to help the town, but isn't really taking us in any real direction.
Vrael: No way I can read him at this point. Not enough to go on, which in itself is suspicous. I can understand if his reasoning is that he has a life, but he's made no claims. He's under suspicion, but nothing more.
Careful posting? He seems to want to help the town? Not enough to go on? The only one that is legitimate in this is the last one. Vrael hadn't posted a bunch at the time. So there wasn't enough to go on. His other two are just attitude posts, again.
Right now my suspicions lie in Bungle, as per before, and Vrael.
He's playing very agressively since he's come under suspicion. He also seems to be oddly comfortable with lynching you.
Since my last suspicions were posted, -rei- has fallen off of my "could be scum" list.
Yeah man! Oddly comfortable with lynching people. Weird how that works when you have a suspicion on someone. I think that if you are suspicious of someone you investigate, watch, vote, then try to lynch them.
Trying to read someone off of hunches doesn't work.
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I would be fine with a frag lynch. He is absolutely useless and his cases are incredibly weak. He is just trying to throw suspicion on people left and right. He doesn't answer with real reasons when he is questioned.
I do agree that frag is useless at the moment, but I want to hold off and see what happens/read more posts from D1 for a bit. For the record though, frag lynch sounds good.
And thanks Sinz for saving me time of digging through his posts lol.
Why are you hardcore pressuring town to go towards directions you see, or wright off as the right thing to do? You do not even give alot of valid argumentation, examples, or anything like that at all.
Right now you just say "this or that, or either you all are *******" and the other posts you make are filled with telling people how ******** they are for thinking certaint things, once again without backing them up with enough argumentation.
I would really like it if you changed this. Alot of the people here will probably not react right to this kind of pressure, I atleast will not.
People wanna see me give new points? At the moment you can point at just about anything, look through the thread, and find "scumslips" or atleast some things that can give you a gut feeling, or suspicion, especially after all the frantic chaos that was D1. The only thing I really felt something for was SPI. I just happened to agree with bungle, and figured that two people pressuring him would be more effective, even if we had/I used the same points Bungle did. There just wasn't anything else to find after such a short time, especially since most people wern't even active (yet). So unless you think that people agreeing with people is scummy by itself (read: it not happening too much, and not without valid reasons) I think that this is not a point that should be pressured on too much.
I will reread once again tomorrow to try and find something NEW to bring up.
I skimmed the last 2 pages quickly because I have a lot of homework to do, this is also why I wanted to make my post about anything else tomorrow, what I can say about frag from what I've seen before these pages, I do not really see him as scum. He does seem a little suspicious but not that bad.
It feels like you guys are just hunting people by how usefull they are, and not scum. I know that this can be a tactic used to catch scum, but I feel like this is not the idea behind it. Rereading might change my opinion though, so I'll post about this tomorrow.
And I suppose this was a success? I agree with Wingz on this one. I understand the whole pressure method, but you gotta give us some more input rather than just telling us what to do. Personally I think mafia was in on the Rei lynch, and it seemed to me like everyone voted for him kind of hastily (including myself). You're ready to lynch bungle just because his post amount decreased after psi was revealed? Anymore reasoning than that? Also as a review, what exactly made you decide on Rei in the last lynch?
I messed up on Rei, but I just couldn't get off of him. I don't recall buddying with you at all, but you can link me if you find any post that suggest so. I just said that I thought you were town.
Also I have the same question that I asked Kevin: What exactly made you comfortable with the Rei lynch?
Rei was definitely only nudging people with his comments and not taking too much of a stance. This is a safe scum (especialyl fo new newere players) because they don't have to commit to anything if they flip town.
Sinz: Why didn't you vote yesterday? Nothing stand out to you? Clearly not the case since you made that large post on frag. Since most of those are from D1, why did you wait to do so?
Wingz: Same to you. Nothing stuck out to you after rPSI claimed?
Exn : Who are you looking at now? Rei was clearly a mislynch and the inevitable happened. SHould we look at who rPSI was suspicious of? What about the people on Rei's lynch
Vrael & Dayday : Let's not tunnel on frag too hard. When you guys reread nothing else stuck out to you? Do you think frag is just being unhelpful town? Why or why not
Sup, Bungle. How was your weekend, bro?
My first time on the computer in a couple days, lets see...
O.O
Suddenly I'm under suspicion for being useless? And "Dodging questions?" I feel I've answered all questions past the pointless D1 "you scum?" question. If you have any doubts, please share them, as I do wish to be helpful. I've just always played a very conservative game. I don't like to make sweeping statements until I am certain that I can back it up with hard proof.
Sinz: Why didn't you vote yesterday? Nothing stand out to you? Clearly not the case since you made that large post on frag. Since most of those are from D1, why did you wait to do so?
I did vote a few times(though they were activity prods) yesterday. I was mostly watching PSI but I wasn't sure if he was mafia or not. Well, I know now that he isn't.
I didn't even realize frag was that pointless until you guys started talking about him. So, in response to seeing you guys talk about him I did some work of my own.
Does that answer your questions? If I didn't, let me know and I will try to have more clarity.
Psi was suspicious of everyone who was suspicious of him so that might not help much. Definitely looking at the people who voted for Rei. As I said, I'm thinking at least one mafia was in on it. I think there is too much on frag as well. The same thing is happening that happened with Rei.
No that's not it. I meant that we got on Rei because he played in a reserved way( i.e he didn't contribute much). Everyone tunneled in on him and we mislynched. The fact that everyone is voting for you without even going over what just happened is pretty hasty, even if you are mafia.
Who, out of those voting for me (Kevin, Sinz, Vrael) do you feel is scummy, why do you think so, and do you think it's just a random scum act that I'm being targeted? I don't see how I'm a threat to them at this point...
frag: targeting you is anyhting but random. Alot of people have deemed your play scummy as it is. It's opportunistic. You're a good scapegoat of sorts if you're town.
Or you could be scum and your buddy is throwin you under the bus.
Yeah sinz you did, otherwise i would have said something otherwise.
just one more thing: at the end of the day, you were still unsure?
