Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

How the **** did I miss the fact that a day cop would be unblockable, unless there's a dayRBer...

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

JTB, how much have you read?

 

[JTB]

I'm up to post #447 right now. I have a couple people I will look into, but I'll probably go through the thread a second time with those names in mind in order to provide content.

Going to look into detail of Soups nightcop claim and X1's daycop claim since that is topic of the Day it seems.

 

[JTB]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a deadline hasn't been set yet, right?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a deadline hasn't been set yet, right?

Meta-Kirby posted about deadlines.

@Deadline Question: Deadlines will always be posted when they are made, both inside and on the title of the thread.

 

[JTB]

Nevermind, just answered my own question.

X1:

Does your role pm tell you when the result of your investigation will be returned?

 

[JTB]

EBWOP

My bad Tery, I hadn't seen that post by MK when I asked.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

No worries. Meta-Kirby's post was after #447, which is what you have read up to so far.

Thank you for replacing in, by the way.

 

[Purple]

doesn't roleblocking someone during the night stop them during the day?

:|

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Not that I know of.

Have you seen any games where they do?

 

[Purple]

Haven't seen legitimate day cops

 

[JTB]

I don't have alot of time to make a huge post detailing all my thoughts on what I've read, so I'll just post one of my smaller ones for now.

UTDZac, where are you? I almost have more posts than you and I've been in the game for one day. All you have displayed so far is your reluctance to read the pregame talk, which in my opinion, gave me a lot of information about some players.

I want to say that you are coasting, but you did mention that you are busy in #395, so I'm forced to believe that IRL is taking precedence over mafia right now.

I would like to see some sort of input from you though, hopefully sometime this weekend.

 

[Asdioh]

Go to Chicago for the day, come back to only about a dozen new posts, with some of them being multiposts?

The playerlist because I keep forgetting:

1. Asdioh
2. J
3. Roxy
4. Sephiroths_Masamune
5. UTDZac
6. SoupaMario
7. Terywj
8. Nabe
9. JTB
10. Joey
11. th3_kuzinator
12. X1-12
13. Dark Horse

So anyway... when we have a daycop scenario, is it a reasonable idea to vote for who we want the cop to investigate?

 

[Dooms]

@Mod and Players: I got a name change. I'm Joey.

Also, in case you didn't read the social thread, I've been V/LA all day today, and I will continue to be V/LA until 12 AM Sunday at the earliest.

 

[Asdioh]

oh my god policy lynch time.

unvote
Vote: Joey


Not only is he scum because I think he's been acting towny (and acting towny is usually actually a scumtell in my experience), but his name cannot be forgiven.

@Joey: am I being unreasonable?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Asdioh: Are you scum? Stop being scum.

Roxy: Make your next post a post that doesn't involve the cop claims.

 

[Asdioh]

@Mod and Players: I got a name change. I'm Joey.

I was wondering what your namechange meant so I googled it. Squirtle? Cool. If only I could, you know, type it.

Asdioh: Are you scum?

Nay

Stop being scum.

It's all an elaborate plan to confuse scum and make them unsure who to NK. It's possible that I have an amazing PR and plan on WIFOMing my way through the night, instead of staying silent and inconspicuous like I did last game I played (which resulted in a N1 NK)

Speaking of wifom, if Kuzi survives through the night, that pretty much confirms me as Town because I would consider him too dangerous to live if I were scum.
Okay, enough dumb crap. My vote's currently on Joey so I might as well look at some of the stuff he's posted, to make sure my vote isn't on completely the wrong person.

~Ran:

Null: 2, 20, 36, 50, 54, 60

Town: 41

Scum:

~Soupamario:

Null: 3, 8, 13, 14, 16, 21, 25, 29, 43, 45, 48, 52, 53

Town:

Scum: 34, 38, 40, 58

~J:

Null: 5, 9, 11, 15, 18, 22, 23, 26, 27, 31, 39, 42, 44, 57

Town: 10, 62 (Lol voting before the game started)

Scum: 30, 37, 55

~Dark Horse:

Null: 6, 7, 12, 17, 19, 24, 28, 33, 35, 49, 56, 61

Town: 32, 59

Scum: 47


I have to brb, so I figured I might as well post my list so far. I'll give any reasons after I'm done with the whole thing.

Judging by what you said then, and the relatively few posts you judged off of at the time, you seemed to be saying Ran (Nabe) was null leaning slightly town, Soup was scummy, J was slightly scummy, and Dark Horse was slightly towny. How do you feel about this after all the time that's progressed? I imagine this post is very outdated by now, but I'm just curious.
Actually here's an updated one:

I don't feel safe with J, and Soupa is obvious. Ran gave me a bad feeling, but I hope that is fixed with Nabe. I still don't get why he wants me to name claim. First is a gut feeling, Soupa is obvious, and Ran is just scummy >_>;

Also Joey, thoughts on Nabe wanting you to claim, and thoughts on claiming itself? Since Nabe clearly wants you and at least one other person to claim, he must be pretty confident in his own claim. Is that a towntell to you?



/trying to spark discussion because this game's been boring the past couple days but bad at it


Joey looks decent to me for now. Maybe I'll unvote after I see his response to me :3

Spoiler

But seriously, two Asianletternames in one game?

@UTD Zac: any scumpicks? You have presented no stances as of yet.

So anyway... when we have a daycop scenario, is it a reasonable idea to vote for who we want the cop to investigate?

requoting this to make sure at least a couple people answer, I've never been in a game with a (supposed) Daycop before.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Haven't seen legitimate day cops

In general

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Request Prod/Status update/Replacement on J

@All: Stop talking about cop claims, cop sanities or roleblockers. Scumhunt and give stances on other players. Here I'll help you guys out

@Roxy & UTDZac: Talk about how scummy Asdiosh's #577 is.

@Asdioh: Have you made any hard stances on players at all? Tell me them again or make some.

@X1, why were you against a nameclaim prior to claiming against Soup?

Throwin a bit of mystery around my role, trying to look like I had a guilty conscience or was hiding something. I'm still not Pro-Mass-nameclaiming but I don't really know the flavour and haven't put much thought into the ramifications of doing such. I'm going out for brunch so I'll think about it over my bacon.

@JTB: As soon as the Mod sees my investigation. Its suggested I use it before 48 hours before the deadline to ensure the mod will see it before Day end.

 

[X1-12]

and kuz I didnt sign up to carry you, where you at?

 

[Dooms]

Oh sweet I did answer X1's question...

I feel that theres another question I'm forgetting though....

Oh just remembered, I'll post it with answers to asdioh's questions!

 

[Dooms]

oh my god policy lynch time.

unvote
Vote: Joey


Not only is he scum because I think he's been acting towny (and acting towny is usually actually a scumtell in my experience), but his name cannot be forgiven.

@Joey: am I being unreasonable?

YES D:! Jk, you're not. If that's a scum tell to you, then you can vote me.

I was wondering what your namechange meant so I googled it. Squirtle? Cool. If only I could, you know, type it.

Speaking of wifom, if Kuzi survives through the night, that pretty much confirms me as Town because I would consider him too dangerous to live if I were scum.

Okay, enough dumb crap. My vote's currently on Joey so I might as well look at some of the stuff he's posted, to make sure my vote isn't on completely the wrong person.

Judging by what you said then, and the relatively few posts you judged off of at the time, you seemed to be saying Ran (Nabe) was null leaning slightly town, Soup was scummy, J was slightly scummy, and Dark Horse was slightly towny. How do you feel about this after all the time that's progressed? I imagine this post is very outdated by now, but I'm just curious.
Actually here's an updated one:

Also Joey, thoughts on Nabe wanting you to claim, and thoughts on claiming itself? Since Nabe clearly wants you and at least one other person to claim, he must be pretty confident in his own claim. Is that a towntell to you?

Spoiler

But seriously, two Asianletternames in one game?

.

My thoughts on Ran are probably wrong and dumb founded, because I have a REALLY hard time not seeing him as scum. The way he words his thoughts and the way he presents them is just SO scummy.

My thoughts on J are him being scum. The way he's playing this game is just... it's like he's using his change of playstyles as an excuse to try and get away with different things with us newer players in the game. I guess that may just be personal opinion, but I stand strong by that.

Soupa became way more scummy with the claim. Ughhhhh.

Dark Horse honestly is a town-null to me leaning more town than null.

My thoughts on name claiming: Scum has safe claims in almost every game, correct? That kind of ruins the point of name claiming in my opinion.

I don't know why Nabe wants me to claim. I think that he should explain it instead of trying to get me to explain it. I don't know why he chose me, and until someone explains it, probably him, I won't know.

Joey, you should nameclaim because there isn't really any reason not to. Do you disagree with this? Also, why do you think I chose you specifically?

"There isn't really any reason not to."... Then why did you ask me specifically? How come you're asking others to name claim before you do so yourself? There has to be a reason behind it.

 

[Dooms]

I do disagree with that until you actually... you know... give legit reasons. Because there isn't really any reason not to is a bad way to go along with things.

I don't know why you chose me specifically. Please fill me in.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I was wondering what your namechange meant so I googled it. Squirtle? Cool. If only I could, you know, type it.

Speaking of wifom, if Kuzi survives through the night, that pretty much confirms me as Town because I would consider him too dangerous to live if I were scum.

Okay, enough dumb crap. My vote's currently on Joey so I might as well look at some of the stuff he's posted, to make sure my vote isn't on completely the wrong person.

Judging by what you said then, and the relatively few posts you judged off of at the time, you seemed to be saying Ran (Nabe) was null leaning slightly town, Soup was scummy, J was slightly scummy, and Dark Horse was slightly towny. How do you feel about this after all the time that's progressed? I imagine this post is very outdated by now, but I'm just curious.
Actually here's an updated one:

Also Joey, thoughts on Nabe wanting you to claim, and thoughts on claiming itself? Since Nabe clearly wants you and at least one other person to claim, he must be pretty confident in his own claim. Is that a towntell to you?

But seriously, two Asianletternames in one game?

i don't like this one bit, you shouldn't say stuff like this.
i hate it when people go "if i do this, then i'm town." i almost consider scumslips, why would a townie be so insecure about..well..confirming himself as a townie.

doesn't make a bit of sense.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

and for that reason
unvote: Vote Asdioh

 

[Dooms]

Aren't you the person that Wifom'd all the time forever in a different game?

HMMMMMM

Asdioh, why did you say that out of all things you could have said?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Looking back....asdioh has been a sketchy payer. He attacks nabe for wanting to keep soup around for another night, yet, iirc, e never explains how its a bad thing [quick scapegoat to divert attention off him]. In addition, he also doesn't understand why we think seph was scum, though reading the pregame should have hiim get te gist as to why [sounds like indirect chainsaw. See: chainsaw]. He also says to daycop J, though he seems to express this opinion right after J debates on replacing out [another scapegoat?]. In addition, he says that investigating himself would be a waste, yet he then brings up points as to why it could help [sounds like a recommendation from scumbudds, to act more town]. He then says that acting townie is a scumtell when he votes joey, though this is almost never the case (and what is joey supposed to do then? Not act townie?) [it shows a non well thought-out post. Either a scapegoat orscrambling for stances). After that, he then attempts to clear himself by kuz getting nk'd WIFOM [I think i've already explained how puesdo clearing is a scumtell].

Asioh is almost the polar opposite of seph: While seph had not thought-out defenses, Asdioh has not thought-out attacks.

HOwever, the connetion between J/Seph is too tight for them to be removed, and soup is obv scum, so the scumteam would have to be either soup/J/seph or soup/asidoh?.

Or asdioh coud be an indy, due to the fact that his connections with SOup/J/seph aren't as strong as the connections between those three. However, his actions have been anti-town, so Asidohiindy probably deserves a mention. (X1, if you're curious as to why there i think there's an indy, look at your indy speculation is YT memes)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Soup, you ha dalso attempted to puesdo clear yourself. WHy are you calling the kettle black?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

because i full-claimed, for one, and i wasn't looking to clear myself at all, i was just going on intention.

 

[X1-12]

Nameclaiming

Dont do it kids. MK wouldnt make a setup where scum could all be caught by mass nameclaiming D1, but names might still hint at PRs. The only nameclaim Im interested in hearing right now would be whoever replaced ran (Nabe?) but if he chooses not to then thats ok too.

DH post less. You are town but youre making it harder for me to read Roxy and Zac by talking about Asdioh when I just asked them to talk about him.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

how does full-claiming make a difference at all?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

X1, how is my thoughts on asidoh make their responses any different?

 

[X1-12]

X1, how is my thoughts on asidoh make their responses any different?

Asdioh hadn't been discussed much, by asking them I both got them to contribute, added information to town, and got a good chance to get a read on them based on how genuine their scumhunting was. When you just post a massive paragraph about how he's scummy it gives them opportunity to parrot, or at least take ideas from yours as basis for their responses, making it harder to tell if they're being genuine or not.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

X1, are you saying that you would be fine with them parroting?

 

[X1-12]

No, re-read that post if you don't understand. I'm saying I'd have been able to read them better off their answers if you hadn't commented on Asdioh.

 

[#HBC | J]

I wonder why X1 keeps focusing on just me for mod attention regarding a replacement when there are two others who at the time are just as bad as me with activity and haven't posted in 3 days as well:

Mainly Kuzi and UTDZac. Seph is on V/LA due to it being spring break for him so he's excused.

I've been inactive in all my other games this week as well X1-12 so don't think this game is just not getting any special attention whatsoever.

X1-12 is town to me because of his obnoxious behaviour this game. He is trying to scum-hunt but the only thing that scares me about this is the fact that he played the exact same way as an indie in B&F. However he also claimed DayCop iirc which can be easily tested so we will see what happens. Still skeptical on two cops in one game but I'm not lynching claimed PRs.

Asdioh is looking bad. Like extremely bad compared to what I have seen in other games and reminds me of his first game but with more confidence to try and put on a bravado of sorts. He is playing jokingly but at the same time, all his views are full of air and really hold nothing besides him calling someone scum for a blank reason. He seems to be putting on the allusion of town-play but I don't know. He is very confusing this game and different from what I have seen of the normal Asdioh but I've learned to just let him be cuz honestly I can't read the kid correctly, the time I think he is town he flips scum and the time I think he is scum he flips town (and ends up killing me >:[). I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched. Best definition on how to describe him is pseudo-scumhunting. Me no like.

Dark Horse is trying really hard to give the appearance that he is smart/town/whatever and it is extremely funny. His posts when looked at at first seem to hold info and scum-hunting and all that jazz right? Wrong lol when actually read his posts are just tunnel-minded jibberish in which he thinks he has nailed the entire scum-team in one fail swoop. He has professed that the scum-team consists of Soupa/J/Seph for wrong definitions, thinking that the connections are almost dead giveaways and the fact that he believes Seph+J = scum for the fact that we declared we will be hand-holding buddies. He gives off the disguise of being helpful with huge looking posts which is definetely out of character for someone of DH's caliber. His change of playstyle seems to be of self-preservation because when DH plays his other way, he is usually lynched. I'd be glad to see him lynched. I even find it funny that he considers Asdioh scum but not mafia in the slightest because of his tunnel vision. Especially of the claimed cop and the two hand-holders. Why not even open the tunnel mind a little bit? Oh wait it's DH we're talking about here.

Tery, where is this kid? I would have put him in the inactive slot along with Kuzi/Myself/UTD/Seph but he made a post on this page that mislead me. He hasn't posted in 3 days besides that one post which just points out that the mod doesn't have a deadline and thanking JTB for replacing in. I haven't seen much from Tery and it's interesting. I need more from him and I think he deserves some pressure out of everyone at the current time. I also wrote down somewhere that most of his stuff seems forced.

Nabe replaced Ranmaru right? I like that slot.

JTB replaced Today's slot? Hmmmm needs thoughts from him.

Roxy Roxy Roxy Roxy.....townish. Yea i'd be confident to say that from what I have seen from him so far. Reminds me of every other time I have played with Roxy and I haven't seen him flip scum once for the exact same play, I find it weird he has no heat on him for it but maybe it's because people are finally realizing how to read the guy. I want a bit more from him but nothing wrong with him at the current time.

Joey town by default. He is being obnoxious, responded to pressure poorly when it's applied and seems to be legitamately scum-hunt at this point. I'll keep him around if he does better. I'm trying to think but what he has said I somewhat agree to but I somewhat don't. It's weird. Obnoxious, but keep him in cuz he seems townish.

Kuzi, seems not here at all and usually every time he goes inactive that's a scum-tell but from what he has posted, I have liked. Right now kuzi is sitting at null but his meta is almost as obvious as Cello's when it comes to scumtells. I wonder why Asdioh is clearing himself off a kuzi town flip and that if Kuzi is left alive that means we must take Asdioh as town, makes me wonder but it just seems to be Asdioh is joking like he normally does.

Soupa....">_>. Honestly needs to learn how to deal with the way forum mafia goes. Town though. His cop claim adds to the fact of him being town because iirc EM plays more to set-up mechanics so I would think that he would honestly claim cop as cop just because he thinks it would be the best thing considering we have a doc. Also he seems to be getting heat and it strikes a wrong cord with me especially since he claimed cop and people keep trying to discredit him for it. I need to see who has been trying to get him lynched. Mainly looking at DH.

Sephy, <3 sexy hand-holding buddy. Though he's V/LA there isn't really much to go off of him at the moment and my eyes are blind to him being my hand-holding buddy. So meh.

UTD, me no like. Reminds me of Villains and Discworld where he just sat there and waited for things to heat up so it's looking like a town-tell at the moment and when he is scum he gets more involved in the game. Need a lot more from him. Though he is just as inactive as the others including myself.

I think that's everyone and my thoughts currently on everyone.

So X1-12 do I need a replacement still? No way in hell. =P So why don't you spread the pressure and quit being hypocritical about asking Prods/Replacements on just one player when there are players who are just as bad with activity as I am. Doesn't add much threat to others if you only pressure one.

Maybe I should say more. I don't know. Let's see if that everything? Let me think for a bit and see if there is anything left in my notes. Every thought seems to be there. Right let's get back into this game!

Vote: Tery

 

[#HBC | J]

tl;dr?

Well go read it but here is a summary of it

Like: X1-12/Soupa/Nabe/Joey/Roxy
Dislike: Tery/DH/Asdioh
Need more: Kuzi/UTD/JTB
Handholding: Seph

 

[Dooms]

Yeah, I've noticed that about Tery too. I want more from him though before I consider him town or scum.

Lynch for today has to be J or Nabe for me. Wouldn't mind Tery/UTD due to inactivity (plus my only meta on UTD is that inactivity is a scum tell, but that may be in every game or just imo).

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, I've noticed that about Tery too. I want more from him though before I consider him town or scum.

Lynch for today has to be J or Nabe for me. Wouldn't mind Tery/UTD due to inactivity (plus my only meta on UTD is that inactivity is a scum tell, but that may be in every game or just imo).

Why Nabe?

I like Nabe so why should we kill him?

 

[Dooms]

Because I don't?

You're not the whole town, and your biggest scum pick is an inactive. I'm choosing who I think is the most scummy out of the active players, and he happens to be one of them

Are you saying that you would want to be lynched over Nabe?

X1 have you used your daycop yet?