illinialex24
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PKNintendo
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Is this possible for other characters too?
Cool topic.
Cool topic.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I believe it can work with any move that comes out immediately in the air, or has invincibility up until then. Ie, Marth's dolphin slash should work.
And thanks.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I am hoping so but more testing would be needed to figure out. At the very least it imrpoves her matchups with Diddy Kong and Metaknight, but the question is, is that good enough to bump her. I hope so.
M-WUZ-H3R3
Smash Lord
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I could dissagree AND agree with this.
On the melee side you have great rest setups, and an amazing WoP.
On the brawl side you have this.
Idk, i'd rather go with more hitstun, but this is great to use in brawl.
So I dissagree with this being positive replacing melee's hitstun.....
And I agree with this being a great new tech in brawl.
On the melee side you have great rest setups, and an amazing WoP.
On the brawl side you have this.
Idk, i'd rather go with more hitstun, but this is great to use in brawl.
So I dissagree with this being positive replacing melee's hitstun.....
And I agree with this being a great new tech in brawl.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
High hitstun is definitely better, but this is a compensation which I hope does a fair amount.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
It improves the matchup for a lot...
If you can DI into Falco and KO, that just helped the Falco matchup.
I would assume you can DI into Marth during side-B (I didn't bother reading/memorizing the entire list I saw...) so that limits Marth's side-B options.
Doing this limits some char. options for your opponent, but once this gets well known / jigglypuff is more tournament reliable / people will avoid those moves at most costs.
Unless they are certain you can't rest them / they won't die.
If you can DI into Falco and KO, that just helped the Falco matchup.
I would assume you can DI into Marth during side-B (I didn't bother reading/memorizing the entire list I saw...) so that limits Marth's side-B options.
Doing this limits some char. options for your opponent, but once this gets well known / jigglypuff is more tournament reliable / people will avoid those moves at most costs.
Unless they are certain you can't rest them / they won't die.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, but at the very least that helps her out. From what I found, but I didn't test Marth much, is that dancing blade isn't that easy but I believe you can screw with his down DB fairly easily.
M-WUZ-H3R3
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We may be able to get jiggs to mid tier on the next list with more of these ATs.
**use the off stage rollout** xD JK its a horrible idea
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
This seems rather useful though a little risky at the same time.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
It is. But I think it can be fairly easily mastered and that could be rather dangerous.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
thats pretty sick, ive been doing expirement like this with sonic but he doesnt have any super great punisher like that, that he can use out of it.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, Marth has a fairly good but much safer punisher in Dolphin Slash so this should help him out too.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I may be wrong, but I think Marth's DB actualy has some hitstun between hits. It's like impossible to DI out of, and Marth cannot Dolphin Slash out of the first hits (he can out of the final hit if the down variation is used) so I think has some. But I can't test well so IDK...
EDIT: Marth could DS out of moves before this.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
depending on the variation he uses you can DI out of dancing blade, and its not that hard...
@illinialex, or however you spell your name.
stop helping marth, marth dont need no GD help.
@illinialex, or however you spell your name.
stop helping marth, marth dont need no GD help.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Right but the down one has very little. Thats why I think that is the most punishable one, because it has the most DI ability out of it.
Sorry if I'm a Jigglypuff main and Marth secondary.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
youre right about the DB down b 4th hit variation
adn stop playing marth. hes gay.
adn stop playing marth. hes gay.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I'm talking about in between hits. I said that the down variation for the last hit was DI'able in my post.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I'm talking about in between hits. I said that the down variation for the last hit was DI'able in my post.
Prejudice vs. Marth much?
EDIT: Sorry for double post. Stupid SWF... Stupid slow computer...
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, your right. It might still work though but I am not optimistic.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Marth cannot DS out of it during the in-between time, so that's why I'm doubtful of Jiggs being able to do this.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Ok, then it is fairly unlikely. She is floatier though so it might still be possible. But if it does, then thats just another strike on a good player so that would be awesome.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
The Dolphin slash thing has been knownf or aawhile. its a 1 frame move.
As for Sonic, nair and Uair are the best ones so far.
However they aren't as fast as the dolphin slash nor have the same knockback.
As for Sonic, nair and Uair are the best ones so far.
However they aren't as fast as the dolphin slash nor have the same knockback.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
My point is that if Marth's Up-B, which has invincibility frames, can't get out of it, than it probably has hitstun, and therefore Jiggs won't be able to Rest through it.
EDIT: Marth's DS is definitely not a 1 frame move. It hits on frame 5, but the first five frames are invincibility frames. I believe ZSS's Jab is the only 1 frame move in the game.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Rest is either frame 1 or 2, but either way it is quick.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I dpubt it's one... You guys need someone to do frame data for your Boards. Like Steel.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
sorry bout that SOLID didnt see that in your post.
and is it just me or does ZSSs jab stink.
i feel like i interrupt her jab with everything.
and not everyone has the resources to do frame testing
and is it just me or does ZSSs jab stink.
i feel like i interrupt her jab with everything.
and not everyone has the resources to do frame testing
illinialex24
Smash Hero
That would be fun...... I'll test it out
Squirtle's jab1 comes out on frame 1 as well. Why do people always forget the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon?
From frame 1, Wolf also has an invincible move in his shine; he could have fun with the gimmick of "DI in and use an invincible special" too.
From frame 1, Wolf also has an invincible move in his shine; he could have fun with the gimmick of "DI in and use an invincible special" too.
Veril
Frame Savant
The difference in character size and fall speed may alter the ability to SDI in relation to these moves. That said Dolphin Slash works very well as an interrupt, as does fox's/wolf's shine and Bowser's fortress.
You can rest out of DB. I've tested and confirmed this. End of discussion there.
Illianalex: please link to my thread and mountain of data. Thanks. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209708
illinialex24
Smash Hero
That would be cool. Its not just useful for 1 character, but shes got the biggest risk reward difference for it.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Veril, I'll link to it after its been confirmed. I am just trying to make sure that this sort of interests people, and I can change it up soon.
Veril
Frame Savant
Fair enough... I really do have a small mountain of moves this works with. The ones I don't know about are marked "unconfirmed".
Anyway, the vid is really cool. I'm going to put it at the top of my thread.
Anyway, the vid is really cool. I'm going to put it at the top of my thread.
Face124
Smash Ace
it looks like the Lucario did his jab slowly in the video...
Awsome find though guys.
Awsome find though guys.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
He did the first 2 jabs quickly and went as fast as he could to a B-side. It doesn't work with his triple jab, but it works if he does what almost all Lucario's do and B-sides for a grab kinda thing.
Face124
Smash Ace
oh ok.
Do you know if its possible with any other attacks? maybe just other aerials that come out in 1 frame(are there any?).
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I don't believe any aerials work but a few specials do, like Wolf's and Marth's quick Down B and Up B respectfully.
Adapt
Smash Lord
ZSS can use Down-B to escape any of these moves because flipjump is invulnerable on frames 1-12. Unfortunately she can't really punish anyone with flipjump.
Her jab is 1 frame, but the jab combo is punishable by many characters.
Her jab is 1 frame, but the jab combo is punishable by many characters.
Face124
Smash Ace
It appears MK's u-air comes out on frame 2, same as rest. is it possible with this?
These are aerials that come out on frame three:
Snake - D-air
Fox - Down-B
Marth - F-air
Diddy - U-air
MK - N-air
Pika - U-air
N-air
Yoshi - N-air
Peach N-air
Luigi - N-air
Mario - Up-B
These are aerials that come out on frame three:
Snake - D-air
Fox - Down-B
Marth - F-air
Diddy - U-air
MK - N-air
Pika - U-air
N-air
Yoshi - N-air
Peach N-air
Luigi - N-air
Mario - Up-B