Dedede's worst stages?

[JST]

I've recently started practicing in counterpick/stages that might be bad for DDD stages because when I practice with my friend we usually only play neutrals (And I need the practice). I suppose any stage where DDD can't CG much would be considered rather disadvantageous for him so I've taken to playing in Rainbow Cruise, Norfair, Jungle Japes and the like. I'm finding that many stages actually aren't too bad for DDD as long as the DDD can adapt. For example, I'm beginning to think that Rainbow Cruise is a really good stage for DDD (Maybe even against MK - I always play against my friend's MK, especially on this stage). However, there a few stages that are just outright bad. Luigi's Mansion, DDD will get his face combo'd off in that stage. Norfair is really bad when you're facing MK , and against everyone else it forces you to play a really good aerial game. And on Jungle Japes, DDD has a very hard time killing if the opponent is elusive (curse you, Wario. D: )

Any of the other stages considered bad/disadvantageous for DDD? And why?

 

[R1ngo]

i find that the moving stage on lylat is quite annoying, my best counterpick would be green greens

 

[Meme]

I really dislike playing Lylat Cruise, due to the plataform placing and their height, also the stage tilting does not suit F-tilt and sometimes waddle throw... D:

I really like to play snakes (Grenade/C4 based) on Rainbow Cruise... And about MetaKnight on that stage I really find it hard in ther since the part after the boat sinks, the plataforms become pretty much a playgrond for metaknight for him to Shuttle Loop his way up d@_@b...

and going at it generally, I avoid playing on small stages with him... putting aside CG-profit, it's more about playing against overly agressive chars d >_>b... Marth, Peach, Wario...

Given that D3 is a big target on a small stage...

 

[Wölf]

In my opinion, Norfair is D3's worst stage. Not only does his large size and relatively slow maneuverability cause him to get hit and knocked around a bit by the side-wall lava waves, but also it's extremely easy for a faster character like Falco, MK, Pika, or Fox to keep D3 out of the safety capsule that protects players from the KO wave of lava.

Basically, you have a good chance of dying from the environment every 3 minutes or so. I am still baffled as to why Norfair wasn't banned in the first place. :/

 

[JST]

i find that the moving stage on lylat is quite annoying, my best counterpick would be green greens

Yeah Lylat is annoying, regardless of the character I use lol. Green Greens would seem like an odd counterpick. There's literally no room for DDD to maneuver and it would be easy for the opponent to smack DDD around silly. DDD's only advantage here would be laughably easy kills (And deaths), and pressuring the opponent with the notion of the infinite.

In my opinion, Norfair is D3's worst stage. Not only does his large size and relatively slow maneuverability cause him to get hit and knocked around a bit by the side-wall lava waves, but also it's extremely easy for a faster character like Falco, MK, Pika, or Fox to keep D3 out of the safety capsule that protects players from the KO wave of lava.

Basically, you have a good chance of dying from the environment every 3 minutes or so. I am still baffled as to why Norfair wasn't banned in the first place. :/

Yeah definitely his worst stage, but only when facing fast characters imo. Fortunately DDD is very good at keeping faster characters out of his comfort zone (It's just that he's ****ed when they get a good hit in). I play my bud's MK and Wario on this stage a lot, and you just gotta learn to love the Dair. It's really good at stopping fast characters.

As for the lava, I never have THAT much of a problem with the lava. The only time I ever really get hit by it is if I get knocked into it or if I do something stupid. Also, avoiding the KO wave of lava is really, really easy. You could just grab/re-grab a nearby ledge to gain short invincibility for the duration of the wave, you could airdodge, and IIRC you could even just shield the whole thing.

 

[R1ngo]

if you are in slot 4, you can back throw into the bombs on green greens and take no knock back, sometimes the bombs and blocks will also spike them

 

[Liquid_Kai?]

75m
Lmao.

Anything thats not flat. On platforms you can still ****, but can easily fail due to being so big.

 

[Pdiamond]

any large stage with stage items getting in the way i find very annoying.

 

[deepseadiva]

*bumps*

Thought I'd revive this for a bit. The Peach's are discussing Dedede counterpicks as of late, and your board has a surprising lack of stage discussion.

So Dedede no like Jungle Japes, Norfair, and Rainbow Cruise? Huh...

 

[akkon888]

Any stage with multiple platforms at different heights.

Norfair, Lylat Cruise, 75m, They are all bad.

Worst is probably, Brinstar If we keep melee in this, and 75m with just brawl stages.

 

[choknater]

Lylat?

I believe every player finds Lylat annoying because of the edge and how it moves.

IMO the stage itself is not THAT bad for DDD.

Once you get past all that... I guess it's kinda dumb still lol. Mostly because the tilt in the stage prevents downhill cg's.

Norfair is the worst. Brinstar isn't so bad.

 

[Samus-T]

i think ddd's worst stages would probably be norfair, luigis mansion, and skyworld (for obvious reasons)

best stages: smashville, lylat cruise, and rainbow cruise

 

[CO18]

Hmm Norfair is the perfect cp For diddy though XD but other than that norfairs pretty bad for ddd.

I dont know if its moreso ddd being bad on luigis mansion or some characters just being extremely broken there like olimar and mk.

My fav stage to cp against people is pokemon stadium melee and halberd(up tilt kills at 70 ftw)

 

[TheWaft]

lylat=worst stage for me with d3. u cant utilt most characters on platforms above you. tilting disrupts chain grabs, waddle dess, and forward tilts. I do not like playing lylat

 

[lain]

NOOOOOTTTHHIINNGGGGGGG

 

[Commander Blizzard]

Like everyone else, I find Lylat Cruise to be the worst for Dedede. I also have a pretty hard time playing in Norfair for similar reasons.

 

[mikeman]

i tihnk new pork city would be that stage is yucky XD

 

[A2ZOMG]

Hannenbow I hear is especially terrible for DDD, assuming it isn't banned. I can see that he can't CG on that stage, and that the level structure in general can probably be extremely annoying for DDD to work around.

 

[The_Blue_Bomber]

I have trouble on Lylat Cruise.

 

[JTB]

I don't really have much trouble on any stage, I mostly counter pick stages that would hurt my opponent.

Lylat is a bit annoying, but I still use it.

 

[napZzz]

Frigate...IDK why but chexr counterpicked it on me once and since then I cant ever play well on that stage with DDD >.<

 

[Irsic]

Against DDD I generally counterpick Jungle Japes and I find that I can pretty much **** it up, being that I use Lucas and Fox.

With Lucas I can just annoy the hell out of you with PKThunder and PK freeze floats up to the smaller platforms really well.

With fox...it's extremely easy to shine you into the water. I just feel that the whole level is just hazardous for DDD. So I always CP with it.

 

[JTB]

that's because you are playing bad people.

 

[Max Ketchum]

:/ Seeing people discussing banned stages really irks me.

Dedede's worst stage is Norfair, period. No chaingrab, limited land room for you to maneuver and space yourself on (lack of ftilt = lame), and dangerous lava that really screws with Dedede. The only redeeming qualities are that there are multiple edges to recover on, and that your utilt kills very quickly from the top platforms. And even then, it takes forever to kill off the top from the lower platforms, so you still get screwed over.

Why are people saying Jungle Japes is bad? The Klap Trap comes every 10 seconds...all you have to do is camp the middle platform and CG someone to the Klap Trap for an easy kill. Also, whoever said Green Greens is bad for DDD is SO wrong... but it's banned anyway (so is Luigi's).