Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Maybe like a couple of months.
OOF
This can mean all sorts of things and brings up so many more questions. I mean, this technically 100% confirms that you can be a playable character and spirit, and I might have been right about Nintendo wanting to promote let's go more for several reasons. Even though lycanroc isn't a spirit so that wasn't anything to worry about in the first place, this does mean a lot of characters are possibly back on the table now.
My humble sir.
At the very least, it sounds like we'll get new Spirits through updates. I also have a feeling we'll get a few free modes and extra features later on, but I have no idea what those could be. Wouldn't mind more bosses to flesh out the current selection though.
I've a theory regarding said moveset, but this isn't really the place for such a thing.
At the very least, it shows us what their plans for "promoting" other games are so far. Perhaps the DLC newcomers won't be shallow advertising tools the way half the fanbase has arbitrarily decided must be happening?
I think Splatoon-style updates are looking increasingly likely, and may very well explain why certain bad guys depicted in the game are nowhere to be found. New modes are a distinct possibility as well...
Of course as long as any of those ballot characters are on the list Nintendo made for Sakurai, it's a great prospect to think about.
Nice to see enough of the RTC regulars still care...or are some of our regulars active over there? I don't know for sure; been too busy to keep up with RTC.
Huh
I would agree for Midday and Dusk. They’re pretty straight forward on buffing them.
Oh... I forgot about RTC.
TCT~Phantom
, I couldn’t send it until now.Lycanroc could be an unexpected character, a lot of people aren’t seeing into Lycanroc after all.
Wait, what exactly did Reggie say? I was out picking up my copy of Ultimate and I haven't seen the exact statement anywhere. I've seen some knee-jerk assumptions claiming he said every DLC character will come from a new franchise, but it seems like it was extrapolated and not necessarily what he actually said?
What i was trying to say is that they're characters people wouldn't expect for smash, and at first it felt to me that a pokemon made too much sense for that statement. After relaxing a bit, i feel like i've might have been spontaneous, so apologies.
It could mean that all of the DLC character would have never appeared in a Smash game before in any capacity.
Ultimately, after sleeping yesterday, i do still think we might have a bit more trouble getting in, mainly because there's likely more competition now more than ever. And who knows if Sakurai would feel like there's too many pokemon characters, just like when he added corrin.
Pokemon is not in the same situation as Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is oversaturated with clones (of the 7 FE Emblem characters, 3 of them are based on another fighter) while Pokemon has only 1 semi-clone and 10 total fighters (counting Pokemon Trainer as 3 separate fighters).
I don't think Sakurai thought there might be too much FE because clones, but rather how he had already added 2 FE newcomers and brought back 1 FE veteran before Corrin was added. In this case, he might think there's too much Pokemon because he brought back all the cut veterans including Pokemon ones plus one newcomer. Like I said in RTC, Lycanroc's best bet is if Sakurai had to compromise for Incineroar.
Although a Pokemon character is guaranteed to sell well as DLC because it's Pokemon. And, Nintendo are the ones picking the DLC characters, not Sakurai.
You're partially wrong: Nintendo gave a list of characters to Sakurai, and Sakurai chose 5 characters from their list.
Honestly the wording leaves it pretty ambiguous. Whether the selection was a list of characters or literally "selected" by Nintendo is iffy.
The main difference I see between Joker andPersona is actually a spinoff of Shin Megami Tensei, a classic Nintendo series. And Persona is a big name in the world of gaming and many see 5 as the best in series.
I think Joker is the new
is that Cloud is a proven character who has stood the test of time. Cloud makes sense as a Final Fantasy pick because, even 20 years after its release, it's still the most popular game in the series. Compare with Joker, who is from a game that is a little less than 2 years old. We don't know if Persona 5 will really standout from the rest of the Shin Megami Tensei lineage in 10-15 years. It's kinda like choosing Noctis to represent Final Fantasy or Lumine to represent Dragon Quest, they've got relevancy but we have no idea if that relevancy will translate into long term popularity or importance. In my opinion, if they wanted a Shin Megami Tensei/Persona character, someone with a bit more of legacy such as Jack Frost or the Persona 4 protagonist (which is the most popular one to my understanding) would have been a better choice., but she's basically Nintendo's adopted daughter so she gets a free pass.
I won't deny that Shin Megami Tensei is popular, but what I'm concerned about is whether or not popularity is enough. The other series in Smash are also popular, but they are also important games that drastically changed the direct of the industry:
basically redefined the entire art of storytelling in video games, popularized the use of cinematic techniques in games, and codified the stealth genre. singlehandedly proved that a third party could stand up to the behemoth that was Nintendo and thusly created plurality within the games industry. and were the jumping point of two major arcade developers to home consoles, giving the idea of home gaming a much greater sense of legitimacy. got people that weren't 12 year old boys into arcades, introduced more abstract ideas on what exactly could be a video game, and has a pop culture legacy that goes beyond video games as a whole. basically invented an entire genre and extended the life of the dying arcade industry. invented and codified much of the RPG, a massive genre.
PS All Stars only had 5 third party characters (Big Daddy, Raiden, Heihachi Mishima, Dante, and Isaac Clarke). The latter was DLC.I won't deny that Shin Megami Tensei is popular, but what I'm concerned about is whether or not popularity is enough. The other series in Smash are also popular, but they are also important games that drastically changed the direct of the industry:
Compare with Shin Megami Tensei, which does have some noteworthy achievements (getting Atlus on the map is a big one) but does not have the sheer legacy that the other third parties in Smash carry. This isn't a bad thing, but the problem is when this becomes precedent for future DLC. Playstation All-Stars proved that an over-reliance on third parties generally leads to diminishing returns (as the game struggles to find third parties that can measure up to its initial wave) and the game losing a sense of identity, as the common thematic thread that connects the various series becomes thinner and thinner. Obviously, this kind of thing doesn't happen overnight, but the pessimist in me can't help but see the seeds of such a thing happening in Joker's reveal.
That's true, but also keep in mind that Playstation All-Stars only had 24 characters, so a little over 20% of the roster consisted of 3rd parties. Likewise, most series only got one rep (only Infamous and God of War got 2, and even then God of War's second character was DLC), so there wasn't a ton of divide between treatment of the first and third party characters. These two factors led to a bit of an identity crisis, where a game that was essentially marketed as a "Sony All-Star Game" relied on third parties as a backbone to its atmosphere.
To be fair though, we also need to keep in mind that, with the exception of Heihachi, every other guest in PSASBR was chosen purely for marketing, not for their legacy. This compounded on the existing issue of a first party line up that felt lackluster to begin with. Sony has a lot of great games, but very few have as much star power as most other established franchises, something Nintendo and associated third parties (SEGA, Capcom, etc.) have in spades.
We’ll be waiting another decade before any of them get in with how Sakurai is treating dlc this time.
