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I don't want to exaggerate him "getting this wrong" since he still correctly predicted the meatiest info with this game, but hey, I'll take it.
...Was or was not the anime anyof effect on the roster? This is something I see wavered back and forth on so heavily it's painful. When people point out that Decidueye has 0 presence in the anime in the past, it was a poor point cause Sakurai likely picked someone before the anime was going or even possibly that far in planning. Now that the Decidueye phase is over and people are trying to do everything in their power to shut down Incineroar (more so based on people's hatred of the leaks and theories), the anime is now the biggest pointer in the world. When I supported Mimikyu before his demise to the Pokeball world, people shunned his anime appearances as Jessie's pokemon and popularity that both would not matter. But suddenly it supports Lycanroc? And this is all ignoring Lycanroc's very plain and one note concept art paired with the question of how it'd use items like the guns.
By no means do I think Lycanroc has no chance, nor do I think Inciniroar is the 100%. I however think Lycanroc (or Sceptille or Decidueye) supporters are looking more into attacking Inciniroar's footing in the race than anything else which results in very contradicting statements coming along. One of the biggest belongs to Deciueye fans STILL claiming he is the most popular Gen 7 Pokemon despite losing to Mimikyu, Lycanroc, and Inciniroar.
And overall the biggest break outs for Gen 7 was Alolan Vulpix/Ninetales, Mimikyu, Rowlet, and Guzma/Team Skull from my personal viewing of the internet reactions and memes/art work regarding these characters.
Yeah, this throws a bit of a spanner in the works, and it's in our favor. Here's what he said regarding Castlevania rumors back in the late spring:
He posted these things, saying a reputable source was backing him up. While he was right about a compilation of sorts existing, he and said source were incorrect about the nature of the compilation (it's just two games, though arguably the two best in the franchise) and the systems it was releasing on (it's exclusive to PS4, with no mention of the Switch anywhere). Furthermore, we've heard nothing yet regarding a rerelease of Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth (And his personal prediction of it being part of the compilation was also wrong!), and this rumored new entry is also MIA.
This may open up Verge getting something wrong after all.
I knew Verge was just out for attention.
Not necessarily. I don’t think this means Verge was wrong all along. Verge so far has made a lot of bold claims no one would even come up to pass as real, and they were true.
Or Decidueye does end up getting in as many before Verge would have argued for.
Would give new meaning to its nickname of "Top Kek".Alternatively:
The anti-Verg crowd loses because it's not Decidueye/Lycanroc/Mimikyu, the pro-Verg crowd loses because it's not Incineroar.
I thought this was the Incineroar thread for a moment there
. I’m surprised you’re here.I’m wondering, what is the server your talking about? Here?
Details about the Castlevania games, as I said nothing major to smash but it's still something he got wrong. I had no intent of getting anyone upset when I said this, but hey not everyone agrees on everything.
I'd prefer not to specify exactly, but it is a server owned by someone that makes smash videos I watch often. It's not a smash dedicated server but a lot of people are there for smash, and the majority of them are dead set on incineroar being a lock and vergeben being right about everything.
I think the idea that makes Lycanroc more likely than Decidueye if there's a Gematsu situation is because he may have been more prevalent around the time Sakurai would've reconsidered Incineroar. Decidueye lacks most of what Dusk Lycanroc likely had at the time. Only thing I could think of that would've pushed Decidueye is if Sakurai saw him in Pokken and realized something that he didn't think of beforehand.
There's data in Pokemon Bank's code that suggests Dusk Lycanroc was at least an idea in November 2016, which is still a year after the Smash roster was decided, but this could mean Dusk Lycanroc was designed alongside the other Alolan Pokemon.
The Castlevania announcement earlier. He said he'd heard there were two games in development (one a compilation of classic games, the other a brand new entry), both multiplat or potentially Switch exclusives. He also said he'd heard that one particular game (Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth) was going to get rereleased on the Switch eshop.
Hold up a second. That wasn't what happened with the Fire Emblem characters during Smash 4 development. The common belief is still that Chrom was "replaced" by Robin, but based on what we know now, it seems more likely that both were seriously considered early on. Chrom was then shelved because they couldn't find a way to make his moveset unique without making drastic reaches or having him act out of character. Meanwhile, Robin got the all clear, and Sakurai has said that Robin's unique spellsword fighting style and weapon durability mechanic (Which was brilliant, since he's the only FE character in Smash to not wield a legendary weapon!) made him too interesting of a choice to pass up.
I’m not sure if that is what happened, but I doubt that Sakurai was considering 2 Pokémon newcomers, though I see where you’re getting at.
Incineroar gets brought up in just about every thread in a negative light cause he's one of the two Verge "leaked" with multiple theories and Sakurai literally pointing out there's not many more to be revealed left. This causes every support group to unload into him (and Ken, but lesser cause echo) cause it's not their pick. That's basically it, but there are some users more prone to throwing Incineroar into the mud in threads that have nothing to do with him as well like Kat & Ana.
To be fair, most of Mimikyu's supporters used his popularity as his greatest advantage, whereas Lycanroc supporters typically relied on the anime. I never saw much vice-versa.
It's frustrating, though, the way we've been completely ignored in most circles simply for not being noticed first. It'd be a damn shame if that ended up being what kneecapped our chances from the beginning, if a character with this much potential turned out to have never even had a shot to begin with just because all that ended up mattering were very first impressions.
Yeah, agreed. We have uniqueness, we have moveset potential, and even the biggest role in the anime on top of that. And yet, if these rumors hold true, none of it would matter. An anomaly that just so happened to work against us. Troubling thought, huh?
As I said, "Think the scenario goes".
Careful, though. Characters aren't "made unique" after they're already chosen, at least not based on how Sakurai has explained it. The Smash devs don't try to force characters in if they don't have an idea of a concept that'd work for them. At least, not as far as we know.
Even if Lycanroc got in Smash, there's no way we'd be able get one without camping at the computer, constantly refreshing our screen so we can be one of the lucky few who could snag one in the 30-60 seconds they were listed before selling out.
There's not even a guarantee that Incineroar would be a grappler character. People are just using that concept to make it seem like Incineroar would be a justified inclusion, when in reality, Sakurai could easily design Incineroar as a unique but non-gimmicky character like K. Rool or Isabelle.
For what it's worth, they've been better about ensuring enough are manufactured nowadays. Hopefully that'd hold true for Ultimate...not that I've had anyone show up yet that I need an amiibo for.
It also helps that Lycanroc offers a couple interesting gimmicks just as a natural extension of the forms' unique traits. No real need to squint to find something interesting when two of the forms have a natural duality and the third has a built in berserk mode. Much less when they're designed around the ability to manipulate an element that no one else on the roster can.
There's a difference between a Pokemon who's relevant to the plot and a Pokemon who has a major role in a few filler episodes that focus on the trainer moreso than the Pokemon itself.
You make a strong argument, Del.
That might be the most frustrating part of all of this: Apparently these appearances only count for characters they already think matter. It's confirmation bias run rampant. When their guy shows up four times now, three in side episodes and one as a cameo, it's apparent "proof" it's going to "take its rightful place". But when we have three different Lycanrocs, one appearing six times, one as a key team member of the rival character (who keeps showing up whenever important plot stuff happens, no less), and one as the anchor for Ash's team for a year and counting with no signs of stopping, appearing in nearly every episode since evolving...apparently that doesn't count. It's as if we're being locked out simply for not being their One True Choice, as if much of the rest of the community is refusing to even look at any evidence we have.
Even that's kinda iffy, though. At least Little Mac had an angle of fighting like a pro boxer and using various real world boxing techniques, something Smash hadn't done before. But here, we already have multiple characters using various wrestling moves. I mean, damn, K. Rool even got a dropkick and a back breaker! I just don't see how a character who merely expands on one idea that's already been touched on multiple times and otherwise feels redundant would be a more compelling choice than at least a couple others who would be so much more unique. It'd be a result we've never seen before outside of echo fighters or semi-clones--people have docked Corrin for being "another anime swordfighter", but the crux of Corrin's moveset is built around shapeshifting, something we'd never seen in Smash prior!
Again, strong argument.
I just realized that, those would be so awesome! But I don’t have enough money to shell those out.
Yeah this always one of the most annoying things when it comes speculation when the anime is involved. Yeah, they’re doing something with it, but you can’t deny the numerous and big roles Lycanroc as a whole have received throughout it’s run.
