Day, Night, and Dusk - Lycanroc for Smash Bros. Ultimate

[SilentSentinel]

I think that assuming a character won't stand out based on what we think about a potential addition is a limited viewpoint. Before Little Mac was added many people said "what would he do besides punch?" And while he does pretty much just punch, the mechanics that Sakurai gave him make the character one of the most unique fighters on the entire roster. Same thing with people dismissing Duck Hunt because he just laughs and us getting a super interesting fighter. We may not see what a character like Incineroar could bring to the table that's new, but Sakurai's mind is his own.

I hope I'm not coming across as combative or confrontational to anyone in here by the way. I would prefer Lycanroc, and Delzethin and I have been debating over Pokemon stuff for close to a decade at this point.

 

[Cosmic77]

My friend GekkougaLarry on Discord shared some interesting info about the S/M anime. Seems like the Pokemon anime is building up to an arc focused on Lycanroc. It's apparently about a chosen Lycanroc or something:

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From what my friend told me, the arc's plot is about 'the ancient Alolans that faced Solgaleo, Lunala, and Ultra Necrozma with the leader having a Lycanroc ( albeit Midday form)'.

The growing focus on Lycanroc is certainly intriguing!

If Ash and his Lycanroc are supposed to mirror the ancient hero, then this could be an incredible boost for Lycanroc's chances. The Necrozma arc could be one of the last arcs in the Su/Mo anime before the league, so if Lycanroc were to somehow get a focus at this time, then that would almost solidify it as Ash's main Pokemon for this Gen. Not much time for Incineroar to swoop in and steal it away before the series ends.

I think that assuming a character won't stand out based on what we think about a potential addition is a limited viewpoint. Before Little Mac was added many people said "what would he do besides punch?" And while he does pretty much just punch, the mechanics that Sakurai gave him make the character one of the most unique fighters on the entire roster. Same thing with people dismissing Duck Hunt because he just laughs and us getting a super interesting fighter. We may not see what a character like Incineroar could bring to the table that's new, but Sakurai's mind is his own.

I hope I'm not coming across as combative or confrontational to anyone in here by the way. I would prefer Lycanroc, and Delzethin and I have been debating over Pokemon stuff for close to a decade at this point.

Believe me, I'm giving Incineroar the benefit of the doubt. I really do like him more than some of the other options on the table, and I do think he could be unique. But how unique you ask? I'm not really sure.

If Sakurai believes Incineroar is the best choice, I'll just have to trust his instinct and pray that he makes something truly special.

 

[Delzethin]

My friend GekkougaLarry on Discord shared some interesting info about the S/M anime. Seems like the Pokemon anime is building up to an arc focused on Lycanroc. It's apparently about a chosen Lycanroc or something:

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From what my friend told me, the arc's plot is about 'the ancient Alolans that faced Solgaleo, Lunala, and Ultra Necrozma with the leader having a Lycanroc ( albeit Midday form)'.

The growing focus on Lycanroc is certainly intriguing!

Well, that's interesting. Can you get more/clearer details on the context, since it's only appeared in an episode preview so far? We don't want to start attributing meaning to it that isn't necessarily there yet, you see.

Though it does bode well for us. Ash's Greninja got alluded to in an in-universe Kalosian legend a few years ago, so seeing specifically a Lycanroc associated with what appears to be a depiction of Alolan heroes all but cements Ash's Lycanroc as his signature 'mon for the region. It seems that all the knee-jerk assumptions that Ash's Torracat must be about to evolve and usurp the role were just knee-jerk assumptions all along.

Also, the reason there's a Midday Lycanroc in the mural instead of Dusk is because Ash's Lycanroc is the first of its kind in the anime canon! ...If I remember right.

I think that assuming a character won't stand out based on what we think about a potential addition is a limited viewpoint. Before Little Mac was added many people said "what would he do besides punch?" And while he does pretty much just punch, the mechanics that Sakurai gave him make the character one of the most unique fighters on the entire roster. Same thing with people dismissing Duck Hunt because he just laughs and us getting a super interesting fighter. We may not see what a character like Incineroar could bring to the table that's new, but Sakurai's mind is his own.

I hope I'm not coming across as combative or confrontational to anyone in here by the way. I would prefer Lycanroc, and Delzethin and I have been debating over Pokemon stuff for close to a decade at this point.

Yeah, don't mind this guy. He and I go way back. He's just playing devil's advocate.

As far as Little Mac goes, he does provide an example of Sakurai and crew having a core idea in mind that none of us thought of: portraying the moves, strategies, and overall feel of a real world boxer. It was something Smash hadn't ever done before. Though I'm not sure how well the same would carry over for Incineroar when we already have so many characters pulling from pro wrestling techniques already, you know?

And then there's still Chrom as a counter-example, a case where Sakurai said his team wasn't able to find anything that helped him stand out, not without breaking character. Which raises the question of which of the two could be happening here.

Or who knows, maybe we were their first choice all along and a couple of these sources were mistaken or misled about something. It has happened before.

Also, welcome to Tuoko and D Desdar300 ! We're up over 40 supporters now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I will see if I can get in contact with Larry. I don't follow Pokemon too closely, and I can trust Larry enough as a Pokemon fan to give you more information.

 

[Desdar300]

Well, that's interesting. Can you get more/clearer details on the context, since it's only appeared in an episode preview so far? We don't want to start attributing meaning to it that isn't necessarily there yet, you see.

Though it does bode well for us. Ash's Greninja got alluded to in an in-universe Kalosian legend a few years ago, so seeing specifically a Lycanroc associated with what appears to be a depiction of Alolan heroes all but cements Ash's Lycanroc as his signature 'mon for the region. It seems that all the knee-jerk assumptions that Ash's Torracat must be about to evolve and usurp the role were just knee-jerk assumptions all along.

Also, the reason there's a Midday Lycanroc in the mural instead of Dusk is because Ash's Lycanroc is the first of its kind in the anime canon! ...If I remember right.


Yeah, don't mind this guy. He and I go way back. He's just playing devil's advocate.

As far as Little Mac goes, he does provide an example of Sakurai and crew having a core idea in mind that none of us thought of: portraying the moves, strategies, and overall feel of a real world boxer. It was something Smash hadn't ever done before. Though I'm not sure how well the same would carry over for Incineroar when we already have so many characters pulling from pro wrestling techniques already, you know?

And then there's still Chrom as a counter-example, a case where Sakurai said his team wasn't able to find anything that helped him stand out, not without breaking character. Which raises the question of which of the two could be happening here.

Or who knows, maybe we were their first choice all along and a couple of these sources were mistaken or misled about something. It has happened before.

Also, welcome to Tuoko and D Desdar300 ! We're up over 40 supporters now.

Hello Mr. Del also I'm also Gekkougalarry!
The context of that image is to show how early Alolans encountered Solgaleo, Lunala, and Ultra Necrozma.
The leader of the Alolans has a Midday Lycanroc which draws parallels to Ash and his own Dusk Lycanroc

 

[Cosmic77]

Hello Mr. Del also I'm also Gekkougalarry!
The context of that image is to show how early Alolans encountered Solgaleo, Lunala, and Ultra Necrozma.
The leader of the Alolans has a Midday Lycanroc which draws parallels to Ash and his own Dusk Lycanroc

There's also an Alolan Vulpix and an Alolan Marowak in the mural, so it's possible the image is referring to Ash's friends as well.

I'm not sure if this necessarily means Lycanroc is getting a huge solo focus (especially when Poipole and the Legendaries need to be addressed), but the detail is nice. At the very least, Lycanroc is being associated with Ash as opposed to Rowlet or Torracat.

 

[Desdar300]

There's also an Alolan Vulpix and an Alolan Marowak in the mural, so it's possible the image is referring to Ash's friends as well.

I'm not sure if this necessarily means Lycanroc is getting a huge solo focus (especially when Poipole and the Legendaries need to be addressed), but the detail is nice. At the very least, Lycanroc is being associated with Ash as opposed to Rowlet or Torracat.

Lycanroc is also the mon that's been displayed the most this gen.
In terms of the anime
> One a Midnight appeared in M20
> Both Midday and Midnight appeared on Clawmark Hill
> Gladion has Midnight
> Olivia has Midday in the anime
> and finally Ash has the Dusk form

 

[DeltaSceptile]

The ideal roster would contain two new pokemon reps: Lycanroc as the new pokemon, and Sceptile as a classic favorite in there for the tons of fans he had back during the ballot days and even before that. I’ve read through here and seen most people saying they don’t believe Verge, which is why the Lycanroc community is one of my favorite. You guys don’t give up even after Mimikyu’s deconfirmation, though I doubt that helped Vergeben’s credibility, as I’m sure many like myself knew (seriously though, just hours before the direct, I had a thought in the back of my head that ended up being exactly how Mimikyu would work) Mimikyu would never have happened do to lack of moveset potential. Lycanroc is still one of my most wanted pokemon, definitely #1 from gen 7, and deserves a spot more than those darn flavor of the month alolan starters. Even with Sceptile as my #1, I still can’t deny that Lycanroc is probably the most lovable mon from gen 7, and definitely the only one I can see myself using even once gen 7 ends.

 

[Delzethin]

There's also an Alolan Vulpix and an Alolan Marowak in the mural, so it's possible the image is referring to Ash's friends as well.

I'm not sure if this necessarily means Lycanroc is getting a huge solo focus (especially when Poipole and the Legendaries need to be addressed), but the detail is nice. At the very least, Lycanroc is being associated with Ash as opposed to Rowlet or Torracat.

That's the key thing to take from this so far, I think. While we don't know the exact details yet, they're clearly trying to draw a parallel to Ash and his friends, and they're using specifically a Lycanroc to allude to Ash. Whether it ends up having Smash implications remains to be seen, but it's something.

The episode airs on the 23rd, right? We should learn more then.

 

[Delzethin]

It's been over 24 hours, so hopefully this doesn't break any rules, because we got an update today via a translation of Sakurai's latest Famitsu article that has...interesting implications:

https://sourcegaming.info/2018/08/2...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

It's a really interesting read, but one thing in particular sticks out:

"I referred to the Smash Ballot when selecting characters this time, and King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong series was one who received a ton of votes."

If the newcomers for Ultimate's base release really are focused around the Smash Ballot...then there's a very real possibility we could end up with no one from Gen 7 in the base roster. As frustrating as it'd be, it's a scenario we should consider.

However...even if that were to happen, we wouldn't be done for just yet. DLC is very likely to happen, and while Gen 8 is set to start late next year, we do know that Sakurai and crew prefer not to jump the gun and add newcomers before their game is out. The only time it's happened was with Roy in Melee, and not only was he a last minute addition, his game was originally going to be out before Melee until it got delayed by a couple months!

In other words, they could very well still pick a newcomer from Gen 7 during the first year of DLC. And odds are, if they chose a new (non-echo) Pokémon with what they know now, Lycanroc would be their pick from this generation.

How does everyone else feel about this?

 

[PeridotGX]

It's been over 24 hours, so hopefully this doesn't break any rules, because we got an update today via a translation of Sakurai's latest Famitsu article that has...interesting implications:

https://sourcegaming.info/2018/08/2...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

It's a really interesting read, but one thing in particular sticks out:

"I referred to the Smash Ballot when selecting characters this time, and King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong series was one who received a ton of votes."

If the newcomers for Ultimate's base release really are focused around the Smash Ballot...then there's a very real possibility we could end up with no one from Gen 7 in the base roster. As frustrating as it'd be, it's a scenario we should consider.

However...even if that were to happen, we wouldn't be done for just yet. DLC is very likely to happen, and while Gen 8 is set to start late next year, we do know that Sakurai and crew prefer not to jump the gun and add newcomers before their game is out. The only time it's happened was with Roy in Melee, and not only was he a last minute addition, his game was originally going to be out before Melee until it got delayed by a couple months!

In other words, they could very well still pick a newcomer from Gen 7 during the first year of DLC. And odds are, if they chose a new (non-echo) Pokémon with what they know now, Lycanroc would be their pick from this generation.

How does everyone else feel about this?

I still think we're still getting a Gen 7 Pokémon. As long as Sakurai doesn't choose something stupid like Crabominable it should be popular enough, Pokémon's the biggest franchise in general. Plus it's possible that he puts in another Pokémon he knows is popular already (Like Blaziken as a Falcon echo) in addition to the Gen 7 Pokémon to make absolute certain people are okay with the Pokémon.

 

[Cosmic77]

Here's something we can be proud of. The Lycanroc support thread now has the second most replies and supporters out of every Pokemon on Smashboards. Pretty surreal.

It's been over 24 hours, so hopefully this doesn't break any rules, because we got an update today via a translation of Sakurai's latest Famitsu article that has...interesting implications:

https://sourcegaming.info/2018/08/2...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

It's a really interesting read, but one thing in particular sticks out:

"I referred to the Smash Ballot when selecting characters this time, and King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong series was one who received a ton of votes."

If the newcomers for Ultimate's base release really are focused around the Smash Ballot...then there's a very real possibility we could end up with no one from Gen 7 in the base roster. As frustrating as it'd be, it's a scenario we should consider.

However...even if that were to happen, we wouldn't be done for just yet. DLC is very likely to happen, and while Gen 8 is set to start late next year, we do know that Sakurai and crew prefer not to jump the gun and add newcomers before their game is out. The only time it's happened was with Roy in Melee, and not only was he a last minute addition, his game was originally going to be out before Melee until it got delayed by a couple months!

In other words, they could very well still pick a newcomer from Gen 7 during the first year of DLC. And odds are, if they chose a new (non-echo) Pokémon with what they know now, Lycanroc would be their pick from this generation.

How does everyone else feel about this?

If Sakurai referred to the ballot for every newcomer, Simon and Richter wouldn't be in this game.

I already said this in the main thread, but I don't think people should assume that absolutely every character will be added because of popularity. I'm sure Sakurai is still going to sprinkle in a few oddball choices here and there. Besides, Pokemon are some of the easiest and most unique additions you could add. It would feel like a missed opportunity to not add another Pokemon.

In other words, don't get discouraged. Highly requested characters are usually shown off first anyways, and Pokemon have a tendency to be revealed later on.

 

[RandomAce]

It's been over 24 hours, so hopefully this doesn't break any rules, because we got an update today via a translation of Sakurai's latest Famitsu article that has...interesting implications:

https://sourcegaming.info/2018/08/2...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

It's a really interesting read, but one thing in particular sticks out:

"I referred to the Smash Ballot when selecting characters this time, and King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong series was one who received a ton of votes."

If the newcomers for Ultimate's base release really are focused around the Smash Ballot...then there's a very real possibility we could end up with no one from Gen 7 in the base roster. As frustrating as it'd be, it's a scenario we should consider.

However...even if that were to happen, we wouldn't be done for just yet. DLC is very likely to happen, and while Gen 8 is set to start late next year, we do know that Sakurai and crew prefer not to jump the gun and add newcomers before their game is out. The only time it's happened was with Roy in Melee, and not only was he a last minute addition, his game was originally going to be out before Melee until it got delayed by a couple months!

In other words, they could very well still pick a newcomer from Gen 7 during the first year of DLC. And odds are, if they chose a new (non-echo) Pokémon with what they know now, Lycanroc would be their pick from this generation.

How does everyone else feel about this?

As much as I want to wish that, Pokémon is always the exception. They know the Gen 8 game will be a success with it being the first game on a home console, and with only DLC to worry about, Sakurai can easily just wait until he has more info about the next and add a newcomer from it.

I really think it’s the base game for Lycanroc. Although I would still support Lycanroc, most people would end up brushing off a Gen 7 Pokémon aside for the next generation. Not to mention that by the time DLC starts, Pokemon Switch would be close to finished with all of their designs and have Sakurai pick one from that generation instead of Gen 7.

Unless Sakurai found Lycanroc interesting enough to work on, or that the Switch game has a major tie in with Gen 7, it may be more possible than we have thought, but for now, I wouldn’t gamble with DLC since there are a lot of odds stacked against us.

However, there are a couple of characters already that weren’t that popular during the ballot, and a new Pokémon like Lycanroc would be the easiest way to bring in a very unique newcomer, so I think we should focus more on the base. The ballot may have a strong emphasis, but there are characters where I feel that Sakurai would include due to their moveset potential, which uniqueness is still a philosophy that Sakurai is still using for this game.

 

[AlphaSSB]

Though I do believe the ballot is being referenced for newcomers and Assist Trophies, notably King K. Rool and Krystal respectively, I don't believe that the ballot will be the sole focus. We've already seen a few Sakurai picks already, and I'm sure there's still quite a few to come.

Although there's always the chance that we won't see a Gen VII newcomer, I'd say the chances of that happening are very slim. As far as I'm concerned, I still think we're getting either Decidueye, Incineroar, or Dusk Lycanroc. Just a matter of who, and once we figure that out, I'd really like to learn why.

 

[SupriceSupplies]

I’m gonna be honest. I’ve been feeling hesitant with a new pokémon in general for a few weeks now. And while Sakurai didn’t really state that he ONLY looked at the ballot, it is indeed a possibility we should be considering. If (and this might be a big if) we assume that the ballot, determines all newcomers, then the only pokémon I see happening is, funnily enough, Sceptile since ORAS came out half a year before the ballot was announced, which I’d guess have an effect on the Ballot. But I think I might be stretching a bit there.

On a slightly different note, I’m aware that Sakurai doesn’t look too much in terms of reps, but with his hesitations on Corrin during 4 DLC, and now Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Pichu coming back, I’ve been wondering if a similar situation might be unfolding, but with Pokémon instead. It’s just something that’s been on my mind as of late and may not mean anything. (I’m aware of Chrom, but it was said he was highly requested, on top of an easy echo.)

As for Simon and Richter, I can’t really say for certain, but I’m pretty sure Simon had a decent following, and with him using certain moves from Richter, I can imagine Richter being a more “eh, why not” pick, so I guess that’s a point in our favor because he’d be a Sakurai pick.

I’m sorry if I’m coming off as too pessimistic. I’d still love to see Lycanroc, I really do, but I’ve admittedly lost some faith.

Ah well, as it’s been said before:
Don’t give up until it’s all over, I hopped onto this train and I’ll see where it leads us. I’ll be damned if I abandon ship now. And you never know, we have been surprised before.

 

[Desdar300]

Honestly , I think the ball is in TPC's court since they always push for whatever new mon they have big plans for in the future. into Smash.
With SM being titles that celebrate the series 20th anniversary I can't see them passing up a chance to throw one in Smash

 

[Cosmic77]

So I noticed an interesting pattern with the Smash music.

One week after the Inklings were first officially shown off in Smash, Splatoon got a remix.
The same day Ridley was revealed, Metroid got a remix.
The same day Simon and Richter were revealed, Castlevania got a remix.
One week after K. Rool was revealed, Donkey Kong got a remix.
Two weeks after Chrom was revealed, Fire Emblem got a remix.

It seems like new music for certain franchises is held off until a newcomer can tie in with it. So which franchises haven't gotten a remix yet? Excluding franchises that aren't already represented on the roster, we still have:



And then when we cut out the franchises with very little hope of receiving a unique newcomer (or Echo), we have:

(Probably way less than this, but I'm being generous)

So what am I trying to get at? Well, I find it a little odd that some of these franchises haven't gotten a remix yet, particularly Mario, Pokemon, Sonic, and Animal Crossing. Coincidentally, do you know which characters from these franchises have been speculated a lot recently? Geno, a Gen 7 rep, Shadow, and Isabelle.

The fact that we haven't gotten a Pokemon remix yet makes me think they're waiting to tie it in with someone. In this case, a remix from Su/Mo with a Gen 7 Pokemon. Makes sense, doesn't it? It's possible that the lack of music means nothing at all (Verge thinks Ken is in despite a SF remix already being present) but for now, I feel like this is a pattern which supports the idea of us getting a new Pokemon.

 

[Delzethin]

So, the anime episode has come and gone. Did anyone here watch it? Can anyone more equipped to understand what happened than me say if anything more about that mural was revealed?

 

[RandomAce]

So, the anime episode has come and gone. Did anyone here watch it? Can anyone more equipped to understand what happened than me say if anything more about that mural was revealed?

Well, I did, but there wasn’t a lot about the mural.

The only thing the mural had was a secret code that had to do with Necromza and how it’s light was revived by Solgaleo and Lunala, an event that happened thousands of years ago.

There’s going to be a battle against Necromza next episode. Nothing new yet, but we might get something next episode that might be related to Lycanroc. This episode was just the build up.

 

[Delzethin]

Well, I did, but there wasn’t a lot about the mural.

The only thing the mural had was a secret code that had to do with Necromza and how it’s light was revived by Solgaleo and Lunala, an event that happened thousands of years ago.

There’s going to be a battle against Necromza next episode. Nothing new yet, but we might get something next episode that might be related to Lycanroc. This episode was just the build up.

So it sounds like the mural doesn't have any greater meaning for us beyond what we already know?

Either way, it's still yet another thing pointing toward Ash's Lycanroc being his ace for the region. Hopefully that bodes well for us.

 

[RandomAce]

So it sounds like the mural doesn't have any greater meaning for us beyond what we already know?

Either way, it's still yet another thing pointing toward Ash's Lycanroc being his ace for the region. Hopefully that bodes well for us.

Well for now. This episode was only the build up so there wasn’t a lot of details of anything aside from Necromza.

But when the mural was mentioned, it seemed it would be used for a later episode in the current The Radiant One arc since there was something on the mural that seems to incript a message about Necromza and what exactly happened to have it be in the current Disaster state that it was in.

So don’t fret yet, it seems to be just the beginning and it’s going to get deeper in the later episodes.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

As much as I want Sceptile for that game to be perfect to me, I still really want Lycanroc, so I’m glad that the two are considerably more likely than other choices, as I don’t care which of the two gets in, as long as one does. In a perfect world we can get both, but as of now it’s unlikely. Luckily they are both relevant and have different edges, with Sceptile being the obvious ballot choice, and Lycanroc being the face of the gen 7 anime (as well as pretty much the marketing.)

 

[Deleted member]

Lycanroc playing a bug role in the anime good too see as usual.

 

[Cosmic77]

Based on all the previews I've seen, I don't think Lycanroc will be of much importance in the next episode. Looks like most of the episode will involve the Legendaries duking it out, Team Rocket grunts, and the Ultra Recon Squad (Ash and his friends). There's also the fact that most of the important characters will be on Ride Pokemon during this episode, so unless Lycanroc hitches a ride with someone, he's probably going to be a spectator at best.

I don't know what to expect in the episode after this one, but if the first two episodes of this arc don't make much use of Lycanroc, then I have a feeling it'll continue throughout the rest of the episodes. A little disappointing, but it's not entirely bad. Seems like none of Ash's Pokemon aside from Poipole will be getting in the spotlight, so at least Rowlet or Torracat aren't getting a focus either.

 

[Deleted member]

Well that's fine Lycanroc still is important that's enough for me.

 

[valkiriforce]

I'd be a little surprised if Lycanroc made it into Smash, but I would fully support their inclusion.

 

[Delzethin]

Another lull in news. Well, we'll probably have a regular Direct happen in the first couple weeks of September, so things won't be too quiet for too much longer.

In the mean time, here's an interesting question: What kinds of alternate colors would you want Lycanroc to have?

I'd be a little surprised if Lycanroc made it into Smash, but I would fully support their inclusion.

Welcome! Nice to see some newer faces coming here!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Now I’m still a support

And for reminder Isabelle is the same source as simon and the second Square Enix rep

But there’s a chance the Pokémon part is a different source

Mimikyu and decidueye is a safe bet of not getting in

So I would say lycanroc not playable could possibly be faulty

 

[DeltaSceptile]

In the mean time, here's an interesting question: What kinds of alternate colors would you want Lycanroc to have?

(This is based around us getting midnight form)
Normal - regular Midnight
Dark Blue - based on the shiny coloration
Orange - based on dusk form
Light Brown - based on midday form
Black - based on Mightyena
Light Blue - based on alolan sandslash
Yellow/orange - based on Tapu Koko
Purple - based on Grumpig

 

[RandomAce]

What kinds of alternate colors would you want Lycanroc to have?

Here’s some for Midday:
Color 1: Normal
Color 2: Red (Midnight)
Color 3: Orange (Dusk)
Color 4: Light Blue
Color 5: Navy Blue
Color 6: Gray (Wolf/Common Fur Reference 1)
Color 7: Black (Common Fur Reference 2)
Color 8: Teal

 

[Garteam]

Another lull in news. Well, we'll probably have a regular Direct happen in the first couple weeks of September, so things won't be too quiet for too much longer.

In the mean time, here's an interesting question: What kinds of alternate colors would you want Lycanroc to have?

Welcome! Nice to see some newer faces coming here!

Seeing how no one has done Dusk yet:
Orange and white fur (Default)
Red and white fur (Based on Midnight Lycanroc)
Brown and white fur (Based on Midday Lycanroc)
Green and brown fur (Based on Decidueye)
Red and gray fur (Based on Incineroar, with the red lightened to separate from the Midnight colour scheme)
White and deep blue fur (Based on Primarina)
Silver and black fur (Based on Mightyena)
Light blue and yellow fur (Based on Manectric)

 

[AlphaSSB]

In the mean time, here's an interesting question: What kinds of alternate colors would you want Lycanroc to have?

I have a few in mind...

I'm not the greatest when it comes to recolors, but these are all palettes I'd like to see. Applied them all to Dusk Lycanroc, since he's the only one out of the trio I see with a significant chance. As for the swaps themselves, they're all based off existing dog Pokemon, rather than based off real wolf coat colors. Which Pokemon the palette swaps should be obvious.

 

[fortun8]

I definitely support Lycanroc being in Smash! My idea as I read through the first post was that Lycanroc could be able to switch between forms like Pokemon Trainer. However, I would like to see it approached in a way that uses a different button combination. Since Charizard is missing out on Rock Smash, for example, the Down B (afaik) is the Pokemon switch. For Lycanroc, I was thinking about a possible Inkling Ink-Recovery situation, in which you use your shield, then use B to recover ink (except in this case, you'd be switching from one form to another! Perhaps you could have directional inputs to choose which one?). While it may not be as fast of a switch as it is for PKMN Trainer, this leaves room for a Down-B for each of Lycanroc's forms, so staying as one would possibly be more viable.

 

[RandomAce]

I definitely support Lycanroc being in Smash! My idea as I read through the first post was that Lycanroc could be able to switch between forms like Pokemon Trainer. However, I would like to see it approached in a way that uses a different button combination. Since Charizard is missing out on Rock Smash, for example, the Down B (afaik) is the Pokemon switch. For Lycanroc, I was thinking about a possible Inkling Ink-Recovery situation, in which you use your shield, then use B to recover ink (except in this case, you'd be switching from one form to another! Perhaps you could have directional inputs to choose which one?). While it may not be as fast of a switch as it is for PKMN Trainer, this leaves room for a Down-B for each of Lycanroc's forms, so staying as one would possibly be more viable.

I wondered that they may do something like, similar to how Shulk can use directional inputs now, for Lycanroc if they had all three forms in one moveset.

Honestly, I wonder if they do something like this, I wonder how they’ll balance them. It’s easier to balance Midnight and Midday because they’re opposites, but including Dusk as a middle might make it more difficult.

I guess for the sake of balancing they’ll most likely relegade Dusk to being an echo for Midday and have some differences like having both of Midday and Midnight’s specials, and some differences involving it’s crescent.

 

[Cosmic77]

I have a few in mind...

I'm not the greatest when it comes to recolors, but these are all palettes I'd like to see. Applied them all to Dusk Lycanroc, since he's the only one out of the trio I see with a significant chance. As for the swaps themselves, they're all based off existing dog Pokemon, rather than based off real wolf coat colors. Which Pokemon the palette swaps should be obvious.

That Zoroark-Lycanroc looks sick. Easily my favorite.

 

[AlphaSSB]

That Zoroark-Lycanroc looks sick. Easily my favorite.

Ha, thank-you. The Zoroark swap is one of my favorites, too.

I knew I wanted to make one where the mane was red or orange, and originally went with Houndoom. However, I noticed Houndoom'd coloration was fairly inconsistent from source to source. No matter which I went with, the colors just looked off to me. Ended up scrapping the Houndoom alt, and opted for Zoroark. Very glad I did.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

I have a few in mind...

I'm not the greatest when it comes to recolors, but these are all palettes I'd like to see. Applied them all to Dusk Lycanroc, since he's the only one out of the trio I see with a significant chance. As for the swaps themselves, they're all based off existing dog Pokemon, rather than based off real wolf coat colors. Which Pokemon the palette swaps should be obvious.

That mightyena one looks great! One question (please don’t hate me), what’s the one on the bottom left based on?

 

[AlphaSSB]

That mightyena one looks great! One question (please don’t hate me), what’s the one on the bottom left based on?

Yeah, I'm a fan of that one too.

As for the bottom left, I thought that one might've gotten past some. Now I'm tempted to wait until someone guesses it, haha.

Take a guess. Remember, they're all based off dog Pokemon.

 

[PeridotGX]

Yeah, I'm a fan of that one too.

As for the bottom left, I thought that one might've gotten past some. Now I'm tempted to wait until someone guesses it, haha.

Take a guess. Remember, they're all based off dog Pokemon.

Arcanine?

 

[RandomAce]

Yeah, I'm a fan of that one too.

As for the bottom left, I thought that one might've gotten past some. Now I'm tempted to wait until someone guesses it, haha.

Take a guess. Remember, they're all based off dog Pokemon.

Zygrade 10% Form.

Quick question, what did you use to edit these?

EDIT: Nevermind that’s bottom right. Ummm, Arcanine? Eevee?