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What's an occam?Very much inclined to pull an occam and lynch SOZ toDay.
That is quite a dramatic switch, and I don't feel the evidence you've given is sufficient to explain your change in reads. Dietz hasn't even given out his reads yet. Is there anything else which affected your decision?
That probably isn't applicable. I feel that pretty much everyone recognised it for what it was, especially when considering the complete lack of discussion of what would usually be a game-changing post. Mafia- Jay could just as easily, if not even more so, posted that than Town-Jay.
Because fakeclaiming Tracker on Day 1 as scum is an awful, awful idea. We should not entertain the idea that such course of action could be even remotely realistic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
It doesn't necessarily have to aid the mafia. But it does not aid us significantly, and therefore shouldn't have a lot of emphasis on it. As such, it should not be the main point of Seal's read.Yeah, is that so? How exactly would doing what Jay did help mafia?
Seal
Do you have better/ more reasons for your read on Jay?
Can someone explain why it's so awful? In a setup with only 1 town PR, even the chance of outing it is notable.Because fakeclaiming Tracker on Day 1 as scum is an awful, awful idea. We should not entertain the idea that such course of action could be even remotely realistic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
I think that reason is perfectly fine. He did something that would only help town and risk him looking suspicious if he was scum. I highly doubt if he was scum he would not be able to read us so well that he would risk looking scummy to possibly look town.It doesn't necessarily have to aid the mafia. But it does not aid us significantly, and therefore shouldn't have a lot of emphasis on it. As such, it should not be the main point of Seal's read.
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That is true, but Maven was about to be lynched and the deadline was closing in. He might as well claim tracker in an attempt to survive a little longer, possibly causing enough confusion to make us no lynch, or even outing the true tracker.Tracker isn't anywhere near powerful enough to make it worth for scum to risk a 1:1 trade with town ... especially when there's only two mafiosi. They're not gonna reduce their odds to win the game by 50% on Day 1 only to find out who the tracker is. Awful is quite an understatement for the amount of stupidity it would take to come up with such a plan.
That could be true, but it's also possible Jay is mafia and deliberately did it in a telling manner. I refer you to Gheb's mini mafia game. Near the end of the game, he played a different ploy, but with similar reasoning behind it.
Ryu, thoughts thus far? On everyone.
Thats null for zen and you know it, Hell he'll pull out whatever tricks he feels he needs to to get what he wants
Whyd you explain your townread but not your scumread?
RosalinaSGS
I'm afraid there is no TL DR.
JayTheUnseen
because they haven't provided any content is absolutely vomitocious (made up words ftw). This has actually been a huge reason why dgames town has tended to consistently lose; because all mafia has to do is be inactive while the townies attack anyone who has actually been posting, because that's all they have to go on. @
JayTheUnseen
in the future, pressure and lynch inactives as early as possible no matter what anyone tells you as they will most likely be your down fall.
Okay one last question for you Zen before you ragequit again:
I don't understand what I'm doing wrong in your eyes. Not once in this game have I said anything like the "epic mafia playstyle" you seem to use as an insult of sorts. Maybe I'm on the less-active side, but I'm not refusing to give reads or saying "anyone can be anything" like last game. Saying "I'm objective" and "not trying to be mean" doesn't change the fact that what you just said about me hurts; why do you take rude personal digs at other people (both maven earlier and me now) over a forum game?Gheb you never followed up on a Jdietz analysis as you promised.
Jdietz has failed to comment on other players as promised.
Ryu has clearly been intentionally avoiding the game.
Seal is Seal.
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We aren't lynching players that have actually been putting in effort in the game (ie me, jay, rosa, and gheb). We are lynching Ruy today and that's the bottom line. If he's town we are ****ed, but we've been ****ed from the beginning if he is town. This game will be my last in Dgames. And this will actually be my last post hopefully for a while if not forever. The quality of the play here is at the lowest I've possibly seen.
Rosalina and Jay are clearly notable exceptions. Both still have some things to learn, but I see much potential in each. The logic that Jay has been using for a lot of the game has been really on point and Rosalina has been able to empathize with players really well, especially when they are in the hot seat.
Maven just played a bad game, but we all have those. I still think he can be a really great player. He just seems to struggle with finding a balance between listening to his own voice and that of others. Ex: pyp he didn't listen to his own instincts. Here that's all he did.
Seal is absolutely hopeless. I mean this in the most objective way as possible, using me supreme zen diagnoses. There is no way to actually discern his alignment other than through other people. He makes no effort to try and relearn how to play mafia, despite seeing that it can be done. I suppose he's been too tainted with Epic Mafia style mentality. Anyways, he will probably never improve. Again, I don't say this to be mean, but just as an objective reality.
FiE I don't know what that was about this game. Some games he has his moments, others he doesn't I suppose. Would really like to understand why he played this way this game dough.....
Jdietz is mad smart and tactical when he wants to be. I do recall him being this bad as town before though I think, which is why I've kept an open mind after making my case. The fact that he has not actually made an effort to look at the game as a whole and any player other than myself despite promising to do so makes me just think he's scum. But I keep going back and forth.
Red Ryu joining every game and proddodging throughout is so disrespectful idonteven. I just don't get it. This game it seems pretty intentional though. I will be really disappointed if town does not lynch him for this. The idea that you would not lynch someone @
Don't trust Gheb for one bit. Playing town-tell POE roulette? Right. Coercing players to put Maven at L-1 then claiming that Maven shouldn't have claimed and wasn't actually scummy. Yeaah.
Anyways that's all from me. Peace out dgames.
P.S: I've been waiting for Rosalina to be lynched or killed in a game so I could post this. Mad that I wont get to use it.
Don't worry about that. He doesn't realize it but he's actually talking about himself, not you.
First post was worst post. This has been discussed already. Zen goes on to call it out and Ryu responds that he's busy and should be voted then if people feel that way, but that he's serious.
I don't get why he bothered with the second sentence here.
For the record, this vote was super necessary to get a lynch D1, but it was made with no announcement which is never a good thing.
Here at the end he promises some reads on me that don't happen before the night is out, but he then goes on to try and read the whole game at the start of D2.
...and we're done.
For the record, we've got about one more day to decide, but if we could iron it by tonight that would be better.
doesn't matter much yet if your reads are right, that'll come with time. You have a good head providing reasoning for it all which is a good thing
Yeah just ignore zen when he gets like this
Me too. @Speaking of Ryu I'm running out of patience regarding his 'activity'. At this point he's clearly avoiding the thread on purpose. He's probably scum.
#HBC | Red Ryu
Can you give one anyway?I've never specifically promised an analysis of Dietz' slot.
I think Zenny's point is that your playstyle is very similar to inactive play, and can be detrimental to our ability to read you. As town, you do not want that to happen, and as mafia, you want them to read you incorrectly. However, I do agree Zenny was too harsh.
What's an ISO?
Reading in isolation. As in going back to specifically read just that person's posts to see what you think.
