Connecticut Power Rankings discussion UPDATED,BRAWL RANKINGS UP

[trademark0013]

Also, good luck to everyone going to SPOC. I'm going to gain 30-50 lbs. Those Cheese steaks are gonna get wrecked, so is Wawa's.

o dang i forgot about that.... i jus dropped enuff weight to almost be in light heavyweight class too

 

[Mogwai]

I didn't say anything about Mang0 with regards to Jiggs. If I were to use player examples to prove my point, I would have also mentioned HBox and Darc.

I think Jiggs > Peach & CF because I think Jiggs is less limited than both of them in high level play. The fact that there are a couple of Jiggs players out there who are legit threats at any tourney they go to only reinforces this assertion.

 

[SPAWN]

CT is definitely making a trip to Wawa's/d'allessandro's. I've never been to D'allessandro's, but that's where the mutha ****in' best philly cheesesteaks are. Wawa's is also amazing.

Trade, I'm sorry, but you can't resist those places.

Good thing Cort is going so CT doesn't get wrecked lol. If only Mogwai went so he could use his goodness and place extremely well for CT. Kaiba Corp, represent!!

I'm probably going to place terribly because I'm going to stay up all night partying with my friend at Drexel Friday night lol.

I think it'd be hilarious if Cort beat Mango. That'd be amazing. Do it, Cort. You'll then be numba 1 in da universe, not just CT.

 

[ErciChewman]

I think Jiggs > Peach & CF because I think Jiggs is less limited than both of them in high level play. The fact that there are a couple of Jiggs players out there who are legit threats at any tourney they go to only reinforces this assertion.

word yo....word.

 

[Prince Of Fire]

I CAN MAKE LISTS TOO!

Falco has the best projectile in the game
Mang0 probably plays Falco more than Jiggs these days and still is the best player in the world
Falco has the best CC combo starters in the game
Falco combos literally every character in the game out of moves that are inherently good and easy to hit
Falco has the best Spike in the game
Falco has a wide variety of kill moves that all prove useful in the right circumstances
Falco camps top platform better than everyone else in the game

also, you're wrong, Falco vs. Marth is only in Marth's favor if the Falco is like every other Falco and lets themselves get grabbed and killed really easily. Otherwise, you get PC Chris tearing the best Marths a new *******. And by that of course I mean that the matchup is roughly equivalent to Marth vs. Fox, albeit for different reasons.

also, you're wrong on Falco vs. Fox being in Fox's favor. It's in Fox's favor when the Fox is a vastly better player than the Falco, which is usually true since good players gravitate towards Fox. That aside, the matchup is either even or slightly in Falco's favor.

Way to be a complete ****tard about what I just said. If it's so fail, then why in the flying **** after everything that I just weighed does it come out to being the exact same as the current tier list?

Also, I'm pretty sure

Ken beat BombSoldier
M2K Beat DaShiz at ROM
M2K beat Dashiz at Fast
Ken beat PC at Anaheim
Ken beat PC at Dallas

The match up is ARGUABLY even, but I think its definitely slightly in Marths favor.

Also in regards to Fox VS Falco:

Fox Vs Falco on FD=Fox (Chain Throw)
Pokey=Fox ***** the entire cast here
Mute City=Fox
Rainbow Cruise=Fox
Battlefield=EVEN
Yoshis Story=Falco?
Dreamland=Falco
Green Greens=Even?
Corneria=???

Fox takes 4 while Falco takes 2 with the chance of three. Fox is the best character for a reason.

also, you're wrong on Falco vs. Fox being in Fox's favor. It's in Fox's favor when the Fox is a vastly better player than the Falco, which is usually true since good players gravitate towards Fox. That aside, the matchup is either even or slightly in Falco's favor.

Ok, let me recap: You said I'm wrong about me saying Fox has the advantage in the Fox VS Falco match up. Got it......but then you said it's IN FOX'S FAVOR when the Fox is a better player which is generally true because more people use Fox. Yeah, you're right. I've seen so many people go Falco against Fox's in finals and Jman also hates fighting Falcos, right?

However, I do agree with you when you say that Jigglypuff is better than Falcon and Peach. I think after Falco it goes

Jigglypuff
Falcon
Peach

When was the last time any of you saw an intense Peach match? I know I've seen plenty of intense or close to finals matches with Scar, SS, and Hax and I've slowly start to see just how crazy jigglypuff can be after watching mango and hungrybox. I don't care how amazing Peaches recovery game is her on stage performance is not as good as Falcons, and her off stage game is not as good as jigs.

Also, good **** CT for finally talking about good things.

 

[DarkDragoon]

I hate Marth Vs Falcon

and Marth Vs Sheik now.

=\

I remember that.

Also, good **** CT for finally talking about good things.

T-T But I was learning so much about WoW and Starcraft!

Also, doesn't Fox have the best off-stage game? With that whole...shine...thing...where you only need to spend a split second off the stage and then the opponent dies.

And you can do it like, at any percent.

>_>.
I'm also very likely to be trolling.
Which means I need to sleep.

Gnite CT!
-DD

 

[SPAWN]

People dying at 4%(as in they start with 0 for their life, then end at 4) from one single shine, is the greatest feeling in the world.

I love mixing up between going down to shine someone and just staying on the ledge and then rolling. Gives me great pleasure.

 

[Prince Of Fire]

Yup, Fox is gay.

 

[Samikay]

I think yall are forgetting that Yoshi can poop falco off the edge.

Poop him...

Actually I think that is the sole reason Falco had a "fall from grace"

He was pooed.

 

[SPAWN]

Too bad Falco can just DI onto the stage and then poop on Yoshi.

Samikay, drop the tourny you posted and lemme post it. If it's big enough, we might have to move some stuff around because it's really not that big of a venue. Are you okay with that/ is Dan cool with that?

 

[SwiftBass]

falco < jiggs has to be one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard.


i give fox/falco a 50/50 falco is such a great wild card.



I still think falcon > jiggs **** what y'all think

 

[Cort]

PoF, why are you trying to compare 2006 sets to now? And did you forget PC beat Ken at MLG NYC Finals in 06? Fox/Falco/Marth/Sheik is all relatively even matchups in general.

Also I agree with you on Jiggs/Falcon/Peach order. I've been saying that for quite a while. But I don't agree with your reasoning too much. >_>

 

[SPAWN]

Also I agree with you on Jiggs/Falcon/Peach order. I've been saying that for quite a while.

Holy ****.

o_________________X


dizzy:confused::embarrass

<__________>

The world is going to explode, RUNNNN.


I can't believe, Cort agrees with PoF on something. DAMMMMMMM FREAKING CRAZY.

 

[Aesir]

I just died.

 

[Mogwai]

Way to be a complete ****tard about what I just said. If it's so fail, then why in the flying **** after everything that I just weighed does it come out to being the exact same as the current tier list?

coincidence.

the ends does not justify the means

a correct conclusion doesn't imply correct reasoning to get there, hence why you have to show your work to get credit on most math tests.

Also, I'm pretty sure

Ken beat BombSoldier
M2K Beat DaShiz at ROM
M2K beat Dashiz at Fast
Ken beat PC at Anaheim
Ken beat PC at Dallas

OH YEAH!? WELL I'M PRETTY SURE... um... I don't really feel like looking up matches, but at the very least:
PC beat Ken at New York
PC beat Ken at OC3

point is that pointing to individual matches, while helpful to some extent, doesn't fully define a matchup. The only ones on your list that I'd say are two players of equal skill representing their characters are the 2 Ken vs. PC ones, which are nicely counter balanced by my 2 Ken vs. PC matches.

The match up is ARGUABLY even, but I think its definitely slightly in Marths favor.

as I said in my post, I consider it equivalent to the Fox vs. Marth matchup, which is to say that I consider it even and that's what I'm arguing, which you say is acceptable, so I'll move on.

Also in regards to Fox VS Falco:

Fox Vs Falco on FD=Fox (Chain Throw)
Pokey=Fox ***** the entire cast here
Mute City=Fox
Rainbow Cruise=Fox
Battlefield=EVEN
Yoshis Story=Falco?
Dreamland=Falco
Green Greens=Even?
Corneria=???

Fox takes 4 while Falco takes 2 with the chance of three. Fox is the best character for a reason.

I have so many things wrong with this section that I don't know where to start...

um, first off, you're just wrong on your judgments. Saying PS is in Fox's favor is because he ***** the entire cast there is foolish because so does Falco. It's a relatively even stage for the matchup. I could go on, but instead I'll transition to point 2, which is that matchups per stage, especially this one, are extremely player and style dependent. Depending on the Fox's playstyle, you may want either a large or small stage. Hell, you may want FD. It's not even close to hard set. The next issue I have is that you talk about hugely irrelevant counterpick stages and somehow missed a neutral (FoD). Quite literally, the only counterpick stages worth mentioning in this matchup are Corneria and Poke Floats, both of which give Fox an advantage. Next we have the glorious culmination where we add up our incorrect judgements on a random sampling of some neutrals and some counterpicks as the defining evidence that your Fox > Falco opinion is well founded and correct.

Note that all these problems are completely ignoring the fact that I don't think you're even slightly qualified to talk on the matchup due to your inexperience with regards to it.

Ok, let me recap: You said I'm wrong about me saying Fox has the advantage in the Fox VS Falco match up. Got it......

ok, cool, we've got reading comprehension for at least 1 sentence...

but then you said it's IN FOX'S FAVOR when the Fox is a better player which is generally true because more people use Fox.

****, close, but not quite. I said it's generally true because better players gravitate towards Fox, not because more players play Fox. Largely irrelevant I suppose, but w/e, I still don't see how this is supporting your claim that the matchup is in Fox's favor. If the top 10 players in the world all decide that Mewtwo is the bee's knees and they only want to play him from now on and win tournaments over inferior Fox players, that doesn't change the fact that Fox ***** mewtwo's face off. the only way you can seriously try to judge matchups is with players of relatively equal skill.

Yeah, you're right.

FINALLY WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!

I've seen so many people go Falco against Fox's in finals and Jman also hates fighting Falcos, right?

WRONG! JMan says that Falco is his 2nd favorite matchup after dittos and as of right now, I think he has the most refined style of Fox vs. Falco I've ever seen.

I feel like your whole paragraph was going for some sarcasm or something, but it's seriously lost on me.

However, I do agree with you when you say that Jigglypuff is better than Falcon and Peach. I think after Falco it goes

Jigglypuff
Falcon
Peach

I agree that this is what 5-7 should look like, but I believe Falco is 2nd, so I think after Falco it goes

Sheik
Marth
Jiggs
Falcon
Peach

When was the last time any of you saw an intense Peach match? I know I've seen plenty of intense or close to finals matches with Scar, SS, and Hax and I've slowly start to see just how crazy jigglypuff can be after watching mango and hungrybox. I don't care how amazing Peaches recovery game is her on stage performance is not as good as Falcons, and her off stage game is not as good as jigs.

Also, good **** CT for finally talking about good things.

Peach's on stage game is better than Jiggs' though and her off stage game is better than Falcon's, so it all evens out by that faulty analysis. As to the last good/intense Peach match, how about PC vs. Shiz? I'm sure there's some Pink Shinobi **** too, but I don't meddle in WC affairs.

 

[SwiftBass]

Ken beat BombSoldier

bombsoldier fcuking sucks. Some nerve using dat to prove something

 

[Mogwai]

bombsoldier fcuking sucks. Some nerve using dat to prove something

i love you swift

 

[SPAWN]

I don't know why, but I had so much fun reading Mogwai's post. I'm laughing my *** off so hard right now. I don't know why.

Fox v Falco is even imo. They can both do some crazy things. Falco can't get grabbed by Fox and Fox can't get hit by Falco... otherwise they get ***** haha.

BS is 4 years old. Why people bring him up to this day is beyond me.

 

[SwiftBass]

I think the "fair"*waits for pockyD* stages nowadays are more influenced by player preference. I find it hard to say that so and so ***** this guy on this stage anymore. (at least between the top 3) . sure there are hardships for chars on the "fair"*waits for pockyd* stages but like I remember picking YS against marth being a cardinal sin and picking dreamland against a peach was the sign of a someone who is dumb. I think preferences change and help to manipulate some of the thoughts of char matchups. I'm not saying that PS better for as marth against fox than YS is but, that preference def is seemingly a larger factor. Maybe im saying this in bias fashion since the main guy I use really isnt bad on a "fair" *waits for pockyd* stage but thats how I feel so there

I don't know why, but I had so much fun reading Mogwai's post. I'm laughing my *** off so hard right now. I don't know why.

Fox v Falco is even imo. They can both do some crazy things. Falco can't get grabbed by Fox and Fox can't get hit by Falco... otherwise they get ***** haha.

BS is 4 years old. Why people bring him up to this day is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m3gitYccuY


thats why..........most viewed ssbm vid in history.....its engraved in the minds of us

 

[Cort]

@ Mogwai

PC's Peach isn't very refined in the Falco matchup like mine would be. Not to mention both of us are still pretty rusty from the hiatus /johns

@ Swift

Man that video is bad. Bombsoldier has no idea how to edge guard.

@ Spawn

It's pretty easy to regurgitate the same stuff good people say to other people every once in a while.

 

[SPAWN]

Lol, I just watched that and I was about to say the same thing lol. I liked that shine shine upair combo, that was pretty haha.

Lemme just run around and double jump see if the fox notices what I'm doing. Nope, he didn't wooohooo, I'm in the clear.

Cort, do you have anything planned on Friday? ...we may leave earlier rather than later for SPOC... I really don't know what Sean plans on doing. I remember him telling me he didn't have work on Friday.

 

[SwiftBass]

Falco has the best projectile in the game

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!?!?!!

/summon MEW2KING


jason I know you are up, Im pretty sure you only sleep at tourneys. you are annoying sometimes and i never agree with you fully, but you made an excellent post as to why falco does NOT have the best projectile in the game(way back when), if theres anytime for you to make one of them epic long *** paragraph post its now. plz letem know whats up.

 

[trademark0013]

I didn't say anything about Mang0 with regards to Jiggs. If I were to use player examples to prove my point, I would have also mentioned HBox and Darc.

I think Jiggs > Peach & CF because I think Jiggs is less limited than both of them in high level play. The fact that there are a couple of Jiggs players out there who are legit threats at any tourney they go to only reinforces this assertion.

i wasnt reffering to you in my post.

using that logic there are a couple falcon and peach players that are legit threats too

Trade, I'm sorry, but you can't resist those places.

Good thing Cort is going so CT doesn't get wrecked lol. If only Mogwai went so he could use his goodness and place extremely well for CT. Kaiba Corp, represent!!

I think it'd be hilarious if Cort beat Mango. That'd be amazing. Do it, Cort. You'll then be numba 1 in da universe, not just CT.

didnt cort beat mango already? diodia

A)
a correct conclusion doesn't imply correct reasoning to get there, hence why you have to show your work to get credit on most math tests.
B)
point is that pointing to individual matches, while helpful to some extent, doesn't fully define a matchup. The only ones on your list that I'd say are two players of equal skill representing their characters are the 2 Ken vs. PC ones, which are nicely counter balanced by my 2 Ken vs. PC matches.
C)
I have so many things wrong with this section that I don't know where to start...
D)
Peach's on stage game is better than Jiggs' though and her off stage game is better than Falcon's, so it all evens out by that faulty analysis. As to the last good/intense Peach match, how about PC vs. Shiz? I'm sure there's some Pink Shinobi **** too, but I don't meddle in WC affairs.

A) **** logic
B) pointing to an individual match doesnt help with character match ups very much at all. theres much more to factor into itthan what one plyer did to another at some point in time
C) most of POFs posts for me
D) i think when POF says "intense" he means matches u can watch and be like "zomg look at that cool really fast technical thing. zomg that was ****." peach doesnt really work like that so he wouldnt be able to tell.

Cort, do you have anything planned on Friday? ...we may leave earlier rather than later for SPOC... I really don't know what Sean plans on doing. I remember him telling me he didn't have work on Friday.

i talked to him about this. its on sean to get housing for friday


sidenote on what Swift said: at high levels of play, stage is all about personal preference except in a few circumstances. discuss

 

[thumbswayup]

Fox Falco is my favorite matchup in the game. It's slightly in Falco's favor or even. I enjoy the matchup so much because I'm at a slight disadvantage and it's so rewarding when you combo a Falco to death. Also, it's like the fastest paced matchup in the game. Both characters have a lot of **** things that they can do to the other, and it's always entertaining to watch/play.

 

[_V_]

Wait, so Fox is better off the stage than Puff and Sheik?

 

[Scar]

lol PoF your logic is like soo abysmally bad. Sorry bro.

Falco is 4th best IMO. Sheik is better and Marth is better.

edit: this is my favorite post on the boards right now

His up b kills MK and Diddy at 40% and Snake at 60%. His fsmash kills Diddy (who's pretty mid-heavy weight remember) at under 80% even with DI. His recovery is impossible to gimp unless MAYBE you get lucky with MK. He is one of the only characters that can legitimately combo in Brawl. He can combo around with up tilt, nair, dair, f air, bair easily with each other out of a dthrow. It's like some 45% auto combo that's inescapable that Boss does perfectly all the time. From there it's just up b and they're dead. How stupid.

Jab up b works wonders, and if they shield the jab it's a free grab from Luigi and his back throw is amazingly strong. Did I mention his recovery is gay? Misfires kill at unreal percents in this game. So even if you're about to get the gimp a random misfire could kill you and save him. And yeah his tornado sends him about a million feet up into the air which allows him to recover from offscreen under the stage even without any jumps.

And I forgot to say, he lives forever.

 

[DarkDragoon]

Wait, so Fox is better off the stage than Puff and Sheik?

=\ I thought I was just going to try trolling with that, but I guess its true.
ROFL.
-DD

 

[Prince Of Fire]

bombsoldier fcuking sucks. Some nerve using dat to prove something

While bombsoldier is a VERY OLD NEWS player, Bombsoldier definitely....does not suck. Ken is by comparison to M2K the best player in the world. I think that if Ken played MaNg0 now, he could beat him. Also note that Ken has made more money and has won more tournaments than M2K. Was this a long time ago when the games meta game was not fully developed? Yes. But Kens consistency is beyond credible. For a young kid to nearly beat the best player in the world......yeah, that's not remarkable or amazing at all.

I don't think bomb soldier is anywhere near the best Falco in the world or anything but saying he "sucks" is just stupid. You might as well go say Eggm sucks while you're at it then.

@ Mogwai

PC's Peach isn't very refined in the Falco matchup like mine would be. Not to mention both of us are still pretty rusty from the hiatus /johns

This. I actually spoke to PC after that set and asked him why he decided to go Peach VS his Falco (when they played on FoD) and he said he was just not confident enough in his Fox. I've never seen PC go Peach in tournament, ever. He's so good with every character though.

Does anyone remember his MM with (I think it was Sol?) PC's Bowser vs his sheik at esticle? Too goot.

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

I think that if Ken played MaNg0 now, he could beat him.

You really really really need to think more before you post. This is like....not...... ugh

But if Ken teamed with Matty they'd take 1st @ Genesis

 

[Prince Of Fire]

Actually, that did come out wrong....because Mang0 is definitely more polished now etc etc and kens out of practice etc etc


blah, im going to the gym.....enough smash talk for now.

 

[SwiftBass]

No. Bombsoldier blows............. Drephen said so, so uh hes right eh?


If i were to goto Japan I'd MM him for all the Yen in his pocket.

on another note......
m2k you fail I tried to summon you for ur knowledge =(. I'm done until m2k appears and shed's light on falco's projectile. It truly was one of my fav post evar to read.

@ lol at that metaknight/luigi post

luigi is sooooooooooo gay

 

[Samikay]

Too bad Falco can just DI onto the stage and then poop on Yoshi.

Samikay, drop the tourny you posted and lemme post it. If it's big enough, we might have to move some stuff around because it's really not that big of a venue. Are you okay with that/ is Dan cool with that?

I think it should be law that if a fox/falco lets himself get pooped they must pause then RALStart... Also Ive never seen Falco DI back onto the stage. But i was drunk when i posted that and im not gonna try and argue Yoshi up the tier list lawl.

I will delete the tournament post now if you wanna repost it. For clarification, are you actually coming, or are you just using ur cred to help business? i didnt think u played brawl... O.o

 

[SPAWN]

Oh, it's Brawl lol. I thought it was Brawl+/Melee. Yeah, I don't go to Brawl tournaments. Keep it up there Samikay, my bad.

 

[Samikay]

KERPLUFFIN I already took it down... what about smash 64 tournaments? youd go to those?

 

[SPAWN]

Yeah, I can do smash64 tournaments also.

 

[Papito]

anyone wanna play monday?

 

[Prince Of Fire]

anyone wanna play monday?

I can play after 5pm. I should be able to head up after class.

 

[ZoSo]

Swift: Last I checked, M2K says that Bombsoldier is underrated. However, I think it would be stupid of me to base my opinion on what he thinks, just as I think it's stupid of you to base your opinion on what Drephen thinks.

It's also foolish to base your evaluation of a matchup on the results of a handful of sets.

I definitely think there's an argument to be made for Jiggs being above Falcon. I think Peach still has potential to be... uh... mediocre, I guess, but pretty much all the good Peach players have quit.

 

[pockyD]

fox is the best character

and falco vs fox is at least even, if not falco-favored imo

and fox doesn't **** falco on pokemon stadium, lol

and yes tim, there can only be one "fair" stage, and it's whatever you want it to be

 

[Prince Of Fire]

Swift: Last I checked, M2K says that Bombsoldier is underrated. However, I think it would be stupid of me to base my opinion on what he thinks, just as I think it's stupid of you to base your opinion on what Drephen thinks.

It's also foolish to base your evaluation of a matchup on the results of a handful of sets.

I definitely think there's an argument to be made for Jiggs being above Falcon. I think Peach still has potential to be... uh... mediocre, I guess, but pretty much all the good Peach players have quit.

I think jigs is the most underrated character in Melee.