Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Staarih]

This. So much this.

But it doesn't matter how much we say it. People will never get it because they think it flopped... because they never played the game.

I’m probably a minority then, as I’d be okay with a number of the characters being alts of each other. And ARMS is one of my top played Switch games. We’ve seen Smash take liberties with stuff before, and I feel as long as the concept and essence of ARMS is present (stretchy arms and such), the individual abilities can be overlooked.

But I guess that’s more of being hype of getting anything ARMS in Smash, so I’ll take it all, whether a solo character or a bunch of them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Tbh if it WAS Spring Man they wouldn’t play this guessing game, they’d just out and say it, especially since they showed his AT in the Nov 1 direct. It makes me think this could be one of the Spirits (Min Min, Ninjara, Twintelle) or a not Spirited character (Max Brass, Dr. Coyle, Mechanica). Hoping for the former cause then some of my faves who are Spirits, like Elma, would have a chance

I do agree with that. I mean, they have a model already, so a teaser wouldn't have been impossible.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I do agree with that. I mean, they have a model already, so a teaser wouldn't have been impossible.

Exactly, they could have pulled a Mewtwo, or even just teased him Joker style

have a feeling it will be a surprise

however, I also think they’ll use an existing model for another pass character, and it won’t be Waluigi or Isaac.

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im hoping Mecha Fiora cause she’s in Shulk’s FS

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I agree that I can't see them about to pull a Willy Wonka and go "ha-ha, he's playable all along!" with Spring Man.

AT promotion is theoretically possible, but that's a Pandora's Box that's best left alone when they can make better use of resources into other areas. We get enough glitches as is.

Exactly, they could have pulled a Mewtwo, or even just teased him Joker style

have a feeling it will be a surprise

however, I also think they’ll use an existing model for another pass character, and it won’t be Waluigi or Isaac.

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im hoping Mecha Fiora cause she’s in Shulk’s FS

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In before it's Chain Chomp.

We’ve seen Smash take liberties with stuff before, and I feel as long as the concept and essence of ARMS is present (stretchy arms ad such), the individual abilities can be overlooked.

That at least is fair enough. Third-parties are the ones that generally stick more closely to faithfulness, with a few exceptions, since they're treated with a different standard.

 

[Fatmanonice]

5 characters are already spirits, 2 are technically the leads, and all 5 usually do pretty great in popularity contests. As others have pointed out, it would have to be the hardest of swerves for it to not be at least one of them, especially in the light that it's likely to be one of the 10 starters and Helix, Master Mummy, Byte and Barq, and Mechanica have very specific gimmicks and body builds and Kid Cobra trails the 5 spirits in popularity by a considerable amount. I made the argument in the Geno thread but swerving Springman and Ribbongirl would be like swerving Mario or Samus for head rep of their respective franchises but then also swerving Ninjara, Twintelle, and especially Min-Min would be like swerving Peach or Luigi too. In other words, things are set up to Nintendo would have to go significantly out of its way to choose someone who is not only not important to the series but unpopular too.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

5 characters are already spirits, 2 are technically the leads, and all 5 usually do pretty great in popularity contests. As others have pointed out, it would have to be the hardest of swerves for it to not be at least one of them, especially in the light that it's likely to be one of the 10 starters and Helix, Master Mummy, Byte and Barq, and Mechanica have very specific gimmicks and body builds and Kid Cobra trails the 5 spirits in popularity by a considerable amount. I made the argument in the Geno thread but swerving Springman and Ribbongirl would be like swerving Mario or Samus for head rep of their respective franchises but then also swerving Ninjara, Twintelle, and especially Min-Min would be like swerving Peach or Luigi too. In other words, things are set up to Nintendo would have to go significantly out of its way to choose someone who is not only not important to the series but unpopular too.

If they completely ignore everyone in the base game (including those with spirits, seeing as they currently don't have any other artwork to use), it would make sense to go for anyone that matters more in the lore (Max Brass or Dr. Coyle). Or whoever wins the Online Open (admittedly that'd be cutting it close, but I won't overlook that possibility).

But, then again, their other divisions make some weird decisions too.

In some ways, Nintendo is equally as unpredictable as Mass of Heroes Samurai himself, seeing as most were convinced that Pass 1's character decisions weren't theirs.

 

[Trevenant]

Even if you're not a big fan of ARMS, 6 being confirmed as a ARMS is almost guaranteed to be a game changer and supports that Season 2 will probably rock:

-Likely our first promotion, freeing up spirits, costumes, and even assist trophies.

-An example of something that Sakurai turned down for the base game but changed his mind on. Games and characters that were "too late" for base can now be reconsidered.

-With ARMS' weird mechanics, supports the idea that the team is going to toy with new ideas for many of the fighters in Season 2.

Like I've been crooning for a few days now, if 6 is any of the 5 ARMS spirits in the base game, basically it reopens the doors for virtually everything that was seemingly deconfirmed before, literally putting dozens of popular characters back into play.

But Sakurai has already confirmed they are toying with new ideas for characters. He confirmed it in the Byleth presentation and it’s pretty much a no brainer.

And Arms was never actually dropped from consideration that’s pretty blatant misinformation. Sakurai said the complete opposite actually, that an ARMS character WOULD have been added if it wasn’t for the fact that they were far too late into development to consider them.

 

[SwitchButton]

In my opinion it's a tossup between these 4

Spring Man - The main mascot. He would be the pick 100% if he were not an assist trophy. But it could still be him.​

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Minmin - The objective fan favorite and famously the main developer's personal favorite character. A character who is "normal" enough to properly represent the stretchy arms mechanic of the series. She is only the only character who can kick to attack, which some theorize will be used to give her moveset variety​

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Max Brass - The main figurehead of the story and setting of ARMS. He's the final boss and he employs the game's cute animal mascot Biff whom he could bring with him akin to Slime. Pretty much the single best (non-Springman) character to represent ARMS as a whole. If you learn about Max Brass then you instantly get the bigger picture of the ARMS world.​

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Dr. Coyle - The main villain of ARMS. Is a goth-punk mad scientist who has 3 arms, levitates, and can turn invisible predator style. Her villain status and her over the top personality would definitely draw attention to her and her franchise.​

 

[SmashKeks]

As a final point to this conversation, I'll just say to expect the unexpected, and be open to any possibility, even the unlikely ones. We don't know what we're going to get with this one.


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BIFF. BIFF. BIFF. /s

 

[meleebrawler]

If nothing happens for Ubisoft, they probably didn't bother to ask Nintendo about it rather than vice-versa.

Some of the difficulties translating Namco fighters to Smash do apply to ARMS as well. Namely going from 3D to 2D. Many arms take advantage of the extra dimension by flanking, so you have to wonder how stuff like boomerangs or chakrams will transition into Smash.

That said, my money's still on them holding out for a certain crossover duo to appear at the very end of everything...

I did actually, but his throw involves teleporting. Master Mummy's throw feels like something most ARMS characters could pull off in Smash. If we're talking other individuals, Kid Cobra's throw would also suit well and probably be the most cool looking.

Changing subjects, I think this is how the ARMS attributes / elements could work in Smash:

Fire: Ignites the opponent for a short while. Fire attacks have good knockback.
Electric: Stuns opponents like ZSS's Paralyzer.
Wind: Windboxes? Good for gimping certain recoveries.
Stun: Increased hitstun, allowing for more combo opportunities.
Explosion: Additional explosion hitbox on impact, being able to hit bystanders.
Ice: Freezes opponents. Nothing new to Smash.
Blind: This is a tough one. If anything, it could reverse the opponent's controls for a very short while.
Poison: DPS effect like Eiha / Eigaon

Fire arms are the second most damaging ones in the game, after clean explosion hits. They should reflect that in Smash, and though they may or may not have good knockback, wind arms most certainly will, at the cost of damage.

Here's my wanted tier list:

 

[Trevenant]

In my opinion it's a tossup between these 4

Spring Man - The main mascot. He would be the pick 100% if he were not an assist trophy. But it could still be him.​

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Minmin - The objective fan favorite and famously the main developer's personal favorite character. A character who is "normal" enough to properly represent the stretchy arms mechanic of the series. She is only the only character who can kick to attack, which some theorize will be used to give her moveset variety​

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Max Brass - The main figurehead of the story and setting of ARMS. He's the final boss and he employs the game's cute animal mascot Biff whom he could bring with him akin to Slime. Pretty much the single best (non-Springman) character to represent ARMS as a whole. If you learn about Max Brass then you instantly get the bigger picture of the ARMS world.​

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Dr. Coyle - The main villain of ARMS. Is a goth-punk mad scientist who has 3 arms, levitates, and can turn invisible predator style. Her villain status and her over the top personality would definitely draw attention to her and her franchise.​

I don’t really think the assist trophy will stop them from choosing spring man (just imagine them saying ‘oh he’s already represented so we’re not adding him’) and in that case I think it will come down to whether they think he best represents ARMS which he obviously does.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Wait, Biff is an animal? I'm pretty sure we don't know what he is.

 

[meleebrawler]

Wait, Biff is an animal? I'm pretty sure we don't know what he is.

Misango's ending implies he's a descendant of some ancient/mythical race, worshipped by the Misangans.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Misango's ending implies he's a descendant of some ancient/mythical race, worshipped by the Misangans.

So basically Johnny Cage's backstory

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Misango's ending implies he's a descendant of some ancient/mythical race, worshipped by the Misangans.

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't call him an animal. Looks more robot-ish.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't call him an animal. Looks more robot-ish.

He looks more like a Star than anything else.

If that star were made of platnium...

 

[$.A.F.]

Here’s my most wanted list:

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

In my opinion it's a tossup between these 4

Spring Man - The main mascot. He would be the pick 100% if he were not an assist trophy. But it could still be him.​

​

Minmin - The objective fan favorite and famously the main developer's personal favorite character. A character who is "normal" enough to properly represent the stretchy arms mechanic of the series. She is only the only character who can kick to attack, which some theorize will be used to give her moveset variety​

​

Max Brass - The main figurehead of the story and setting of ARMS. He's the final boss and he employs the game's cute animal mascot Biff whom he could bring with him akin to Slime. Pretty much the single best (non-Springman) character to represent ARMS as a whole. If you learn about Max Brass then you instantly get the bigger picture of the ARMS world.​

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Dr. Coyle - The main villain of ARMS. Is a goth-punk mad scientist who has 3 arms, levitates, and can turn invisible predator style. Her villain status and her over the top personality would definitely draw attention to her and her franchise.​

That pretty much sums up my thoughts perfectly.

Max Brass also has a pretty over the top personality too. The overall hamminess he has would be perfect for Smash.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If they completely ignore everyone in the base game (including those with spirits, seeing as they currently don't have any other artwork to use), it would make sense to go for anyone that matters more in the lore (Max Brass or Dr. Coyle).

But, then again, their other divisions make some weird decisions too. In some ways, Nintendo is equally as unpredictable as Mass of Heroes Samurai himself.

On that argument, a series has never been represented by a villain first before so, coincidentally, that basically rules out 3 of the 5 DLC characters anyways (Springtron, Max Brass, and Dr. Coyle). Going further with that, Springtron is basically "Dark Springman" and Dr. Coyle's gimmick is that she levitates a significant distance off the ground.

On the topic of gimmicks, here's what they are for each of the 15 characters:

-Springman: gets an attack boost with low health.

-Ribbongirl: double jump.

-Master Mummy: can heal while blocking, doesn't flinch against most attacks.

-Ninjara: can "smoke dash" in the air or on the ground.

-Mechanica: can hover.

-Twintelle: can technically briefly freeze time.

-Min-Min: attacks with grounded and aerial kicks.

-Byte and Barq: Robot dog assistant.

-Kid Cobra: charged dashes.

-Helix: basically can change shape and height at will.

-Max Brass: charge that prevents flinching plus Springman's ability.

-Lola Pop: DeviantArt

-Misango: spirit companion that boosts stats.

-Springtron: Springman's plus a shockwave attack.

-Dr. Coyle: can hover, can summon a third arm, and can go invisible if stunned or knocked down.

Going off of this, it further makes cases for the 5 that are already spirits because they have the most "Smash friendly" gimmicks of the cast aside from Kid Cobra.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

-Lola Pop: DeviantArt

I chuckled at this, then realized how true it is and laughed even harder

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

They'll either go for someone relatively simple or super-gimmicky. That's pretty much the only certainty, given the tone set for this pass.

-Lola Pop: DeviantArt

Personally, I would have went for either Lanky Kong or P-Balloon.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

They'll either go for someone relatively simple or super-gimmicky. That's pretty much the only certainty, given the tone set for this pass.

What is the tone they've set for this pass, given those two options are almost complete opposites?

 

[SwitchButton]

a series has never been represented by a villain first before so, coincidentally, that basically rules out

Pretty reductive way of thinking. A franchise has never been solo repped by anyone other then the main mascot before. This entire situation is unorthodox.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

What is the tone they've set for this pass, given those two options are almost complete opposites?

The tone seems to be "Holy crap we didn't think we'd make it this far. We're winging it honestly."

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also, another thing:

The whole teaser thing they did, was it done in an in-universe sense, or real-world sense? If it's the former, it'd be the only way it'd make sense for the spirited characters to get in.

What is the tone they've set for this pass, given those two options are almost complete opposites?

Everyone in the pass having interesting gimmicks, more than ever. As far as ARMS goes, it's like trying to pick a flavor of pizza.

Pretty reductive way of thinking. A franchise has never been solo repped by anyone other then the main mascot before. This entire situation is unorthodox.

The closest thing to that happening was ROB. But then again, everyone forgot about Professor Hector except for Shimomura (wherever he is...).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Going off of this, it further makes cases for the 5 that are already spirits because they have the most "Smash friendly" gimmicks of the cast aside from Kid Cobra.

Sorry for quoting twice, but...

I'd say Max Brass is also pretty intuitive if they balance out the armor aspects of his buffed state because it's otherwise a perfect fit for Smash.

What is the tone they've set for this pass, given those two options are almost complete opposites?

It was to toy with new ideas, iirc... but the very concept of a stretchy arms fighter is already a new idea in and of itself, so it really could go either way.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Regardless of who the rep is, some "rule" is going to break. Either AT, Mii costumes or Spirits not promoting will be broken, or in the case of Dr. Coyle the "villain not being the first rep" will break hard.

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

Wait, I thought you mained Dr. Coyle because Nintendo villain.

Oh if Dr. Coyle gets added she will definitely sit alongside the greatest Nintendo Villain of ALL TIME (King K.Rool) as my secondary. But in ARMS Mummy all the way!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Regardless of who the rep is, some "rule" is going to break. Either AT, Mii costumes or Spirits not promoting will be broken, or in the case of Dr. Coyle the "villain not being the first rep" will break hard.

Or "mascot of some sort gets in first", but you got the gist of it otherwise.

I can't help not being able to shake off the feeling that when the reveal finally arrives, the sheer levels of bait-and-switches done in it will make those in other trailers look pedestrian.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Or "mascot of some sort gets in first", but you got the gist of it otherwise.

I can't help to shake off the feeling that when the reveal finally arrives, the sheer levels of bait-and-switches done in it will make those in other trailers look pedestrian.

I dunno, getting the main characters of all the other SNK games on board to make them look like terrible envelope catchers will be hard to top.

That said, I've got Biff on the vote for a reason. Think about it. If he's in the MC must be the first character would still ring true, he's the Master of Ceremonies.

 

[LightKnight]

Who I'd like the most: Max Brass or Mechnica
I wouldn't mind them in the slightest: Min Min, Kid Cobra, Helix
Feel fairly neutral about them: Spring Man, Springtron, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, Dr. Coyle
Not interested/seeing them as likely: Byte & Barq, Twintell, Lola Pop, Misango, Master Mummy, Biff

 

[fogbadge]

Why is Biff in the poll at all? He wasn't on the list, and he doesn't have extendable arms. This is nonsense.

well actual biff has the physical indications that suggest he has the arms ability so its widely believe that he has extendable arms. though in answer to your question i think its for the lols

 

[Fatmanonice]

Pretty reductive way of thinking. A franchise has never been solo repped by anyone other then the main mascot before. This entire situation is unorthodox.

Right but I already went into that. Series are typically represented by their most important character first, then the most noteworthy side characters, and then it tends to go into popularity. My argument is that anyone aside from the 5 characters already spirited would hard swerve this. Villain wise, Max Brass would be by far the most likely because of his popularity but it honestly begs the question why? Popular characters getting in before important has technically happened before, kind of like how Jigglypuff was in Smash before a ton of Pokemon that are much more significant. For this reason, Min-Min, for example, beating out Springman would only be slightly weird while Max Brass would be very jarring and be like if Bowser came before Mario.

 

[SmashKeks]

well actual biff has the physical indications that suggest he has the arms ability so its widely believe that he has extendable arms. though in answer to your question i think its for the lols

It makes me wonder how Biff would play as a character in ARMS. Would he be the ARMS equivalent of Smash Pikachu/Pichu? (See: small, fast, pokey, hard to hit, and annoying.). Would high risk high reward work in ARMS? Biff is hard to hit, but he has notably less health than any other character to compensate and slightly less attack power?

 

[cosmicB]

Personally rooting for Dr. Coyle. Unlike a lot of people, I hope the "no promotions" rule remains intact just so we can have more unique content in general. If one rule is going to be broken, the "no villains first" one is a fantastic one to break.

 

[LightKnight]

As far as what the Fighters Pass has left to offer, I wouldn't rule out another Microsoft rep. Steve, sure, but more specifically the Master Chief's chances could be more likely than some think..

Concerning Ubisoft, I can see how they could be likely given how well they're working with Nintendo currently but my issue is with who they could actually add while still being wildly unique to the existing roster?
Poor Rayman has it tough now with an ARMS character getting in. Probably got frozen in that iceblock by someone using an ice glove too

 

[Fatmanonice]

I like really like Dr. Coyle but I can't justify her being the signature ARMS rep. Love her design, love her voice, love her gimmicks, and love the fact that she's the first major Nintendo female villain in a longass time. She's actually my favorite ARMS character but her snubbing any of the 5 spirits for the spot would be kind of cruel. She's cool but she's not popular enough to warrant shoulder checking not only the two title characters (Springman and Ribbongirl) but the two most popular characters (Min-Min and Ninjara) by a wide margin out of that honor.

 

[cosmicB]

Right but I already went into that. Series are typically represented by their most important character first, then the most noteworthy side characters, and then it tends to go into popularity. My argument is that anyone aside from the 5 characters already spirited would hard swerve this. Villain wise, Max Brass would be by far the most likely because of his popularity but it honestly begs the question why? Popular characters getting in before important has technically happened before, kind of like how Jigglypuff was in Smash before a ton of Pokemon that are much more significant. For this reason, Min-Min, for example, beating out Springman would only be slightly weird while Max Brass would be very jarring and be like if Bowser came before Mario.

Looking at this from a "levels of weirdness" perspective is still reductive thinking though. If you could just go down the list of "likely possibilities" in the case of a rule-break, then that rule wouldn't have been broken in the first place. The choice is a swerve no matter what happens, whether it be a promotion, a non-protagonist, a relatively unpopular character, or a villain. You're trying to assign precedent to something that has none. By being in uncharted territory, literally everything is on the table.

Like, what if Yabuki wanted to hard swerve and put in Lola Pop after learning about "a weakness of Americans" purely to troll them? Possibilities like that exist that some people aren't considering.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Looking at this from a "levels of weirdness" perspective is still reductive thinking though. If you could just go down the list of "likely possibilities" in the case of a rule-break, then that rule wouldn't have been broken in the first place. The choice is a swerve no matter what happens, whether it be a promotion, a non-protagonist, a relatively unpopular character, or a villain. You're trying to assign precedent to something that has none. By being in uncharted territory, literally everything is on the table.

Like, what if Yabuki wanted to hard swerve and put in Lola Pop after learning about "a weakness of Americans" purely to troll them? Possibilities like that exist that some people aren't considering.

Yeah man, back in the pre-launch base game speculation for Ultimate, as far as a character representing ARMS went, most people more or less said "it'll be Spring Man, go figure", simply due to Sakurai making it a point to start with anyone that's the most recognizable.

But now? We're not so sure of that anymore.

As far as what the Fighters Pass has left to offer, I wouldn't rule out another Microsoft rep. Steve, sure, but more specifically the Master Chief's chances could be more likely than some think..

Concerning Ubisoft, I can see how they could be likely given how well they're working with Nintendo currently but my issue is with who they could actually add while still being wildly unique to the existing roster?
Poor Rayman has it tough now with an ARMS character getting in. Probably got frozen in that iceblock by someone using an ice glove too

For Chief, I say it depends entirely on if that Halo collection rumor eventually pans out.

If there's no Rayman, then damn, Ubi is being passive on all fronts with him, on his own anniversary no less. Poor lad.

 

[ivanlerma]

Right but I already went into that. Series are typically represented by their most important character first, then the most noteworthy side characters, and then it tends to go into popularity. My argument is that anyone aside from the 5 characters already spirited would hard swerve this. Villain wise, Max Brass would be by far the most likely because of his popularity but it honestly begs the question why? Popular characters getting in before important has technically happened before, kind of like how Jigglypuff was in Smash before a ton of Pokemon that are much more significant. For this reason, Min-Min, for example, beating out Springman would only be slightly weird while Max Brass would be very jarring and be like if Bowser came before Mario.

Does Playstation All-Stars count because that game featured villains without the main heroes.