Comparison of the 3 most probable mario reps.

[DeuceBlade]

Right, but why did he kidnap Peach? Because someone said she was his mother, and that Mario was kidnapping her...

But Bowser did not make him do it. If we went by this Logic it would downplay many roles for Main Antagonist and Main protagonist.

Everyone has a reason for doing something, if they choose to go through with the task is up to them. Bowser Jr's reason for kidnapping peach was given by Bowser, but this does not mean the task of kidnapping her was given to Bowser Jr.

 

[Sasori's_Shadow]

Well PM Still had a very good story in all 3 games but it makes sence, We can't really judge who is the most popular since it's hard to.

True but it depends on what is more accurate for it, Either way we could say something like how Jr has the highest chances yet paper mario gets confirmed twomorrow (Hypothetically speaking.) And this is a heated topic but they all 3 have very good chances.

Oh no, I agree with you. It's hard to gauge both a character's popularity or chances in general, especially when Sakurai can be kind of unpredictable at times. I can see anything happening, but I still think Junior's the most deserving out of the three.

 

[Cinder]

I never said Bowser told him to...but he did trick him into doing it...Jr. probably wouldn't have cared if he didn't think Peach was his mother...I'd say Bowser and BJ were about equal in Sunshine...Jr. did all of the dirty work, but Bowser coerced him into doing it...

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Oh no, I agree with you. It's hard to gauge both a character's popularity or chances in general, especially when Sakurai can be kind of unpredictable at times. I can see anything happening, but I still think Junior's the most deserving out of the three.

Yeah, I Personally think that they are all well deserving and we could easily get two mario newcomers so....

@Cinder, I Lol'd at your quote from bassonist in your sig .

 

[DeuceBlade]

I never said Bowser told him to...but he did trick him into doing it...Jr. probably wouldn't have cared if he didn't think Peach was his mother...I'd say Bowser and BJ were about equal in Sunshine...Jr. did all of the dirty work, but Bowser coerced him into doing it...

Well if you go by what the game gives, Bowser Jr is the main antagonist -- if you go by assumptions, and fan speculation then you are correct.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

For smash, time is irrelevant and number of games are irrelevant...

Why are people so stuck up on those fan made factors?

B/c there's an exception to almost everything.

 

[626key]

In my oppinion, Geno and PM will be fighters, and Bowser Jr. as a SSE boss

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I doubt PM will be playable, but a stage would be nice.

 

[626key]

PM's stage could be, well a stage

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I can see a PM AT as well, since there is 2-D ATs.

 

[shadowyoshi2345]

geno = numero uno

bowser jr only if he has the paintbrush from super mario sunshine and different moveset then bowser

paper mario = AT or not in the game completely

thats what i hope for

 

[Cinder]

^Seconded...Geno is PC material, and so is BJ...if we can have both, I'm happy, but if I HAD to pick one...Geno...

And yeah, imho, PM isn't quite as worthy...he does have three games, but he's just an alt form of Mario...he's still Mario...

 

[626key]

^Seconded...Geno is PC material, and so is BJ...if we can have both, I'm happy, but if I HAD to pick one...Geno...

And yeah, imho, PM isn't quite as worthy...he does have three games, but he's just an alt form of Mario...he's still Mario...

yes but he can give mario more face time without copying him compleatly, no fire balls, no fludd

 

[bballstar23]

The one thing that's been irking me, that pretty much ruins the credibility of the thread is the name itself. "Comparance" is not a real word, but comparison is.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

The one thing that's been irking me, that pretty much ruins the credibility of the thread is the name itself. "Comparance" is not a real word, but comparison is.

You want me to fix that? I'll go do that .

 

[626key]

They did the same 2D thing for G&W, it wouldn't be to hard to do it for paper mario

 

[BlublacMH]

Ok you Geno fan boys, you are really blind to think Geno is even close to being as important/significant as Bowser Jr.

Geno was not the star of Super Mario RPG, Mario was. Geno was not the main protagonist or Antagonist meaning he did not serve a equal or higher role than the main characters Good & bad.

Bowser Jr on the other hand has served as the Main antagonist in not one but two games, Super mario Sunshine, and New Super Mario bros. -- and for all the fanboys who say "Oh no bowser iz deh true major bad guy", well guess what? Nintendo disagrees with you. Bowser served as only a boss in NSMB, and Sunshine.. he was not really important to the overall plot like Bowser Jr was.

Bowser Jr is also extremely current, and has been appearing in nearly every Mario title since Mario sunshine back in 2002.. thats 6 years of games he has been in, and he will also star in the new Mario Stadium baseball game (using his paintbrush).

For those who say number of games do not matter, you are correct, but using characters like IC, or Pit to support geno = wrong, why you say? because unlike Geno, IC and Pit are actually the main protagonist of their games.

Geno only has 1 true appearance in a game, SMRPG.. trying to use the "M&L" cameo as something to back him up is like trying to credit Yoshi for appearing in LoZ: Link's Awakening... They are just dolls, and not the actual character.

Bowser Jr has the highest chances to appear in brawl, amongst these three characters.. (Although Paper Mario is pretty much confirmed to appear in some form due to the "Rawk Hawk" sticker)

Sakurai knows that Filler characters like Waluigi, and Daisy should not be playable, but Bowser Jr is far from filler.

I agree w/ this post so much I wish I could sig it. Like someone else said, we all were thinking it, it just took someone with enough time on their hands to say it.

 

[hello_kitty]

of course you're going to say Geno has best chances, your his fan *rolls eyes*! seriously, it would look odd to add both Paper Mario and Geno, especially the very ridiculous Paper Mario (because he's just Mario in Paper with "other" techniques) Geno I understand, at least he be someone completely different, but Paper Mario? that's a waste to add Mario in again.

 

[smashbro29]

if 2 than geno and pm because straight up honestly bowser jr is lame boring and the least original of the 3

 

[Black/Light]

A Nsider. . . ugh. . .

BJ, hands down. The new bad a** villian main character beats out both.

 

[Enigma14]

A Nsider. . . ugh. . .

BJ, hands down. The new bad a** villian main character beats out both.

Don't see whats bada** about a kid with a pant brush and bandana

But that's your opinion.

Paper Mario and Jr., both popular weren't as high on the poll as Geno, Vivian made the poll! PM WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED!

If anything, Vivian is going to be ATed while Geno and or Bj. will be PCed.

 

[Black/Light]

Don't see whats bada** about a kid with a pant brush and bandana

Bold=the bad a** facture. Not even including his SMG appearances

 

[vesperview]

Don't see whats bada** about a kid with a pant brush and bandana

Paper Mario and Jr., both popular weren't as high on the poll as Geno, Vivian made the poll! PM WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED!

If anything, Vivian is going to be ATed while Geno and or Bj. will be PCed.

This is the perfect example of a biased Geno fanboy, always has to bash Bowser Jr. to make Geno look good.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Paper Mario probably has the least chance out of the 3

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I agree w/ this post so much I wish I could sig it. Like someone else said, we all were thinking it, it just took someone with enough time on their hands to say it.

I agree with it too, I commend DB on a job well done.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Can we please debate about this civily *Sigh*? All 3 are possible canidates, Anyhow;

of course you're going to say Geno has best chances, your his fan *rolls eyes*! seriously, it would look odd to add both Paper Mario and Geno, especially the very ridiculous Paper Mario (because he's just Mario in Paper with "other" techniques) Geno I understand, at least he be someone completely different, but Paper Mario? that's a waste to add Mario in again.

I Even said in the post that i support all 3 of them -_-.

A Nsider. . . ugh. . .

BJ, hands down. The new bad a** villian main character beats out both.

Generalizing sucks mkay?
And i think they all 3 are fine but it really matters what you think. (You as in what everyone personally thinks on it.)

Don't see whats bada** about a kid with a pant brush and bandana

But that's your opinion.

Paper Mario and Jr., both popular weren't as high on the poll as Geno, Vivian made the poll! PM WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED!

If anything, Vivian is going to be ATed while Geno and or Bj. will be PCed.

Lolz, PM Still was mentioned on the nsider polls and was reknown there a bit, All 3 have good chances.

I agree with it too, I commend DB on a job well done.

they are all 3 potential canidates...

This is the perfect example of a biased Geno fanboy, always has to bash Bowser Jr. to make Geno look good.

He said it was his opinion but i agree that that wasn't the nicest or best additude to act like.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I know they are all 3 potentail candidates, but I feel PM will be an AT or have a stage, Jr. and Geno have more of an edge. Geno is popular and had huge success with the polls. Jr. has the Mario Sunshine representation going for him.

 

[DeChTu]

I don't see why we couldn't have all three or at least 2 of them. The jump from a roster of 12 to 26, resulted in Mario getting 2 reps to getting 5 reps, if the roster is doubled to say 45 or 50 (I've heard rumors as high as 60), then why couldn't Mario have 7 reps (drop Dr. Mario and add all three)? Mario is Nintendo's lead franchise, with Mario being Nintendo's mascot.

 

[Pieman0920]

Coming in all the sudden~

The way I see it, in terms of probablity, it goes Paper Mario>Bowser Jr.>Geno in Likely to least likely order. Why you ask? Well, it's because of several reasons.

First off, why Paper Mario is ahead of Bowser Jr. This reason is relly quite simple, and is basically the only thing that seperates them, who they are based off of. Paper Mario is a second Mario. Bowser Jr. is a second Bowser. Of course one is much more literal than the other, as B Jr. is indeed not really Bowser, while PM is indeed Mario. But despite that technicality, the little guy is really just his father but young. Heck, Baby Bowser looks just like him. The apperance and name are just to simmilar for them not to be considered basically the same. But does that hurt him? Not really. We've had characters that are close to each other before, and as I said, I think Paper Mario is more likely, and he literally is a second version of Mario. It's just that we'd get a second version of Mario before we'd get a second version of Bowser.

As for the case of Geno, the reason I put him lower than all of them is because his status and third party nature both hold him way to far back. He showed up in one game, and had one cameo, but that's about it. Paper Mario stared in three games, and had a cameo in Melee. Bowser Jr. showed up as the final boss in two games, had playable roles in many other games, and also showed up in Galaxy. Popularity isn't really much of a factor here either, as the other two are both very popular, by the virtue of the fact that they had so many games. Uniqueness in abilities is also around the same for all of them. (Really, TC, the only way someone should really max out on something like that is if they are like the ICs or PT) In any case, Geno is outclassed here many times over, and in addition, is a third party character. Thus, he is much less likely than the other two canidates. =/

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Then again PM could possibly be the one to replace Doc.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I know they are all 3 potentail candidates, but I feel PM will be an AT or have a stage, Jr. and Geno have more of an edge. Geno is popular and had huge success with the polls. Jr. has the Mario Sunshine representation going for him.

Well everyone has there own personal opinion on this situation but i can't really say that the sunshine representation does a lot; The only one i think that does more help to a character is MOTHER 3 But that's because of the numerous times sakurai has shown interest to it: It depends through.

I don't see why we couldn't have all three or at least 2 of them. The jump from a roster of 12 to 26, resulted in Mario getting 2 reps to getting 5 reps, if the roster is doubled to say 45 or 50 (I've heard rumors as high as 60), then why couldn't Mario have 7 reps (drop Dr. Mario and add all three)? Mario is Nintendo's lead franchise, with Mario being Nintendo's mascot.

Good question; The roster seems to be looking to around 40 At the current moment and with that; The yoshi franchise/Dk/Warioware also that already adds up to ten being 1/4th of the roster, 1/8th without counting those so isn't that a tad bit ridiculous? I'd love them all in through .

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I estimate 35 as a minimum, but I don't see the roster going over 40

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Coming in all the sudden~

The way I see it, in terms of probablity, it goes Paper Mario>Bowser Jr.>Geno in Likely to least likely order. Why you ask? Well, it's because of several reasons.

First off, why Paper Mario is ahead of Bowser Jr. This reason is relly quite simple, and is basically the only thing that seperates them, who they are based off of. Paper Mario is a second Mario. Bowser Jr. is a second Bowser. Of course one is much more literal than the other, as B Jr. is indeed not really Bowser, while PM is indeed Mario. But despite that technicality, the little guy is really just his father but young. Heck, Baby Bowser looks just like him. The apperance and name are just to simmilar for them not to be considered basically the same. But does that hurt him? Not really. We've had characters that are close to each other before, and as I said, I think Paper Mario is more likely, and he literally is a second version of Mario. It's just that we'd get a second version of Mario before we'd get a second version of Bowser.

As for the case of Geno, the reason I put him lower than all of them is because his status and third party nature both hold him way to far back. He showed up in one game, and had one cameo, but that's about it. Paper Mario stared in three games, and had a cameo in Melee. Bowser Jr. showed up as the final boss in two games, had playable roles in many other games, and also showed up in Galaxy. Popularity isn't really much of a factor here either, as the other two are both very popular, by the virtue of the fact that they had so many games. Uniqueness in abilities is also around the same for all of them. (Really, TC, the only way someone should really max out on something like that is if they are like the ICs or PT) In any case, Geno is outclassed here many times over, and in addition, is a third party character. Thus, he is much less likely than the other two canidates. =/

*Sorry if this turns out a double post*

It makes sence and also PM Starred in 3 of his games while in 2 JR Shared the antagonist role with his dad; But really all 3 are possible canidates...

 

[Pieman0920]

They are, it's just in my eyes the terms of likeliness goes in the order I put in there. >_>

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

1. If they were going to add another flat character, I'd rather have Sheriff.

2. I think the Bowser Jr. assessment is low in several areas.

A. Jr. was pretty significant - while Bowser gave him orders to do things, he did them by himself. He acted on his own for the majority of New SMB, acted on his own for almost every part of SMS, and mostly acted by himself in Galaxy. I mean, the flood in SMS? His idea. Shadow Mario itself was his creation.

B. Why? Let's look at what the paintbrush can do...

Oil Spill
Paint Blob
The M signature
Paint Piranha
Paint Portal
Mud

That's definitely more than is required for a moveset. And on top of that, he's one of the few characters who would work with a transformation.

 

[Black/Light]

Generalizing sucks mkay?
And i think they all 3 are fine but it really matters what you think. (You as in what everyone personally thinks on it.).

No, Nsider sucks (Mkay?) and it's the Nsiders who are to blame. I have yet to see one "beacon of light" come from there and your no exception to that.

Much like I treat supposed leakers from GameFaQ with the "most likely BS untill proven otherwise" stick I treat Nsiders with the "most likely a noob fanboy untill proven otherwise" stick. More often than not its going to be correct. . .

*Gives the hard eye at those Nsiders who flooded the site after Nintendo dropped their forums.*

 

[Thirdkoopa]

No, Nsider sucks (Mkay?) and it's the Nsiders who are to blame. I have yet to see one "beacon of light" come from there and your no exception to that.

Much like I treat supposed leakers from GameFaQ with the "most likely BS untill proven otherwise" stick I treat Nsiders with the "most likely a noob fanboy untill proven otherwise" stick. More often than not its going to be correct. . .

*Gives the hard eye at those Nsiders who flooded the site after Nintendo dropped their forums.*

I See your very nice today >_>.

So your saying I And This thread sucks because i also made it because it's a bit of a heated topic at Nsider? Am i bad for that? You don't even want to try to improve the community at Nsider2 there? Nsider is not the best but NS2 Is a bit better, Generalizing sucks because that's just a popular majority and we there have some very intelligent users (Fatmanonice, ZORAPRIME, Me of course, And a couple of others i could list.) so don't be so hard on some of them just because some others act like that.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I really dislike when people say that Bowser Jr is just another Bowser, because this is basically like saying everyone is a clone of their parent, which is far from true.

Bowser Jr has consistently shown to be much different from Bowser, and has his own personality, and Agendas.

If Bowser Jr was just a Bowser Clone, he would Breathe Fire, Fly around in a clown copter, Try to take over the world/ or Peach's castle, would try to jump on Mario, Would growl alot, would steal stars, etc.

Please stop being Bias towards Bowser Jr, Paper Mario on the other hand, is literally Mario.. in paper form. But this is mostly towards the bias Geno fanboys, who fear BJ for he may some how cause Geno to not appear in brawl.

Well Guess what, there is no "if" about bowser Jr, on whether he will appear in brawl, but their is one with Geno.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I really dislike when people say that Bowser Jr is just another Bowser, because this is basically like saying everyone is a clone of their parent, which is far from true.

Bowser Jr has consistently shown to be much different from Bowser, and has his own personality, and Agendas.

If Bowser Jr was just a Bowser Clone, he would Breathe Fire, Fly around in a clown copter, Try to take over the world/ or Peach's castle, would try to jump on Mario, Would growl alot, would steal stars, etc.

Please stop being Bias towards Bowser Jr, Paper Mario on the other hand, is literally Mario.. in paper form. But this is mostly towards the bias Geno fanboys, who fear BJ for he may some how cause Geno to not appear in brawl.

Well Guess what, there is no "if" about bowser Jr, on whether he will appear in brawl, but their is one with Geno.

*Waits for a post telling how good i did with making the topic again* *Sighs*

What i think everyone means by is how he looks like bowser and sakurai might think bowser is already enough (Stupid arguement through.) But we have no clue on what sakurai thinks, And Bowser Jr can't really Take His spot, If they don't have his legal rights or the roster is a bit bigger then we will see 6 Mario reps.(Which makes it so Jr and Geno can appear.)

 

[joeysmash]

Geno was in 1 game... 1!!!!!!!!!! as much as i like him (yes i did play super mario rpg) he will not make it. He has almost no fan base outside of smashboards and frankly he just will not be in anything in the future. Now u may make this argument and say "well what about IC and G&W" well both are the CONTROLABLE PROTAGONISTS in each of there respective games. Geno fans, you screaming for him does nothing to alter Sakuri's thinking.