Comparison of the 3 most probable mario reps.

[Boomer]

"you're not making any sense" is not synonymous with "I don't understand you." It's synonymous with "You're an imbecile, stop posting." And BTW... It's kind of ironic that I was called immature by someone who watches Naruto. Go back to your headbands plz.

 

[Sasori's_Shadow]

Look at the bold... What did you do? (If you chose answer B- Walked away like a mature adult then you chose wrong. The correct answer was A- Responded.)

Not sure this concerns you really. I probably should have ignored him, but because we're still discussing this topic (my argument) I felt the need to defend my standpoint on the matter, as useless as that may prove. I probably shouldn't have explained myself in a condescing manner either, though I'm sure you can see why it would be difficult not to considering the circumstances.

And I probably didn't need to explain myself here either, I just don't need a recap of what I've been doing in the last couple of minutes from the standpoint of someone who views himself as having the "moral high ground" over me.

And if it's any consolation, I've chose to ignore the guy now. I don't really need to be "flamed" more than necessary, and there's no more useless explanations that need to be made on my part.

 

[DarkVision]

If all 3 could get in I wouldn't have a problem,

if it was limited to 2...Geno and Bowser Jr. are on the top of that...

BUT if only 1 could get in, I would root for Geno all the way

 

[Boomer]

You're putting words into my mouth again (you'd make a terrible lawyer). But you're right, maybe I shouldn't have been so rude. I'll try my best not to make posts that sound "condescing" either. This is fun LOL. Take a couple more shots at putting words in my mouth (and please try to spell them correctly this time).

P.S. All you need to do is not post in response to this and this whole ordeal will end. I'm trying to give you a way out. If you do post in response, then you will be to blame for continuing the argument, and not me.

 

[B.W.]

You're putting words into my mouth again (you'd make a terrible lawyer). But you're right, maybe I shouldn't have been so rude. I'll try my best not to make posts that sound "condescing" either. This is fun LOL. Take a couple more shots at putting words in my mouth (and please try to spell them correctly this time).

P.S. All you need to do is not post in response to this and this whole ordeal will end. I'm trying to give you a way out. If you do post in response, then you will be to blame for continuing the argument, and not me.

ZOMGWFTPONYCAKES!!!1!11!!

didz i continue arguemnt?

 

[Boomer]

Sent by Sasori's_Shadow to P-05: "Hey man. Just wanted to apologize in advance for being hostile towards you in the thread (the Junior/Geno/PM one). It's kind of late over here, and I don't need everyone jumping on me at once in that thread."

Can you say "mangina?"

P.S. If you don't want people jumping on you, then don't make dumb posts. And with that I take my leave.

 

[Matt Silver]

Geno is the Vincent of Mario RPG? Mario is Cloud? Square had part in this Nintendo game, but it's really not a game you can compare to a FF game. And if you must compare it to any FF game please choose something better than the over-rated, emo filled trash better known as FF7.

Also, if you look at any game where Bowser Jr. is playing a serious role he's more like a ninja than he is a slow (but bad ***) fat-*** (hey I rhymed) like his father Bowser.

I was just using it as an example, and this is not the place to flame the awesomeness of FF7. Just saying that Geno is a sidekick (Like Vincent), who is almost (If not better) than the main hero that everybody goes on about (Cloud).

Again... it's an example.

 

[DarkVision]

Hey - get ****ed. I was just using it as an example, and this is not the place to flame the awesomeness of FF7. Just saying that Geno is a sidekick (Like Vincent), who is almost (If not better) than the main hero that everybody goes on about (Cloud).

New game by Square:

Dirge of Star Shot!!!

 

[Boomer]

New game by Square:

Dirge of Star Shot!!!

You Win!!!!

 

[B.W.]

Hey - get ****ed. I was just using it as an example, and this is not the place to flame the awesomeness of FF7. Just saying that Geno is a sidekick (Like Vincent), who is almost (If not better) than the main hero that everybody goes on about (Cloud).

Again... it's an example.

Sooo, this post is to defend your obvious FF7 fanboy-ism deep within your heart. Hey man it's cool that you love the single most emo character in all of FF history. I understand. Half the world feels the same way you do about the most over-rated game in the history of Square (or maybe even the world). Why I don't know. Something about emo Japanese guys seems to make weeaboos hot in their downstairs I guess.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

@Boomer: I think I speak for everyone when I say you're a dumba**.

I support Geno ahead of everyone else but I have to say Bowser Jr. is the most likely of the three with Paper Mario the second most likely. I'm too lazy to make any points on that so I'll just wait for points to be presented for me and I'll make counterpoints where I see fit.

Edit: Actually, a lot of you are dumba**es. Apparently, none of you can carry on a simple conversation without unneccessarilly flaming one another.

If you like Naruto, you're not an idiot.
If you like Cloud, you're not an idiot.
If you DON'T like those two characters, you're not an idiot.

But to make attacks on people based on who they like is purely bias and flat-out, just plain dicketry.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Ok guys - Sorry, I Was a bit busy last night to respond to all of this.

Why do people keep making these topics?

I've seen this as a heated topic.

I think in my personal opinion that Geno has the best chance because I believe that the journal entries is huge, (3 of the top 5 are confirmed) and the others werent even on it. However if either Jr or PM make it Im happy either way, as long as Geno is in first. Btw thirdkoopa, pm me about making a SE scenario with Geno and PM

Sure thing.

I do want to see geno in, but PM has a beter chance for at least two reasons, 1: he has been in 3 games while geno has been in 1, and 2: PM is compleatly owned by nintendo while geno is shared by square

wEll all-in-all that makes sence but the others each have different things going for them.

but just remember, even though Paper Mario is different from Mario, he is still MARIO, where Geno is his own unique character.
EDIT: thats another thing that Geno has for him, if either PM or Jr. make it into brawl, there will be two of a similar character, not a clone dont get me wrong, but Jr. is still in sense a type of Bowser and Paper Mario is indeed Mario

I Thought about that also but if they can't get geno's copyrights then... >.>.

Ok ok, i get it, generalizing is bad.

Thanks for stopping with that.

Ok you Geno fan boys, you are really blind to think Geno is even close to being as important/significant as Bowser Jr.

Geno was not the star of Super Mario RPG, Mario was. Geno was not the main protagonist or Antagonist meaning he did not serve a equal or higher role than the main characters Good & bad.

Bowser Jr on the other hand has served as the Main antagonist in not one but two games, Super mario Sunshine, and New Super Mario bros. -- and for all the fanboys who say "Oh no bowser iz deh true major bad guy", well guess what? Nintendo disagrees with you. Bowser served as only a boss in NSMB, and Sunshine.. he was not really important to the overall plot like Bowser Jr was.

Bowser Jr is also extremely current, and has been appearing in nearly every Mario title since Mario sunshine back in 2002.. thats 6 years of games he has been in, and he will also star in the new Mario Stadium baseball game (using his paintbrush).

For those who say number of games do not matter, you are correct, but using characters like IC, or Pit to support geno = wrong, why you say? because unlike Geno, IC and Pit are actually the main protagonist of their games.

Geno only has 1 true appearance in a game, SMRPG.. trying to use the "M&L" cameo as something to back him up is like trying to credit Yoshi for appearing in LoZ: Link's Awakening... They are just dolls, and not the actual character.

Bowser Jr has the highest chances to appear in brawl, amongst these three characters.. (Although Paper Mario is pretty much confirmed to appear in some form due to the "Rawk Hawk" sticker)

Sakurai knows that Filler characters like Waluigi, and Daisy should not be playable, but Bowser Jr is far from filler.

-_-.
1.FYI If you read the post then you will find out i'm not trying to be biased with this, I Want all 3 (I Personally want Geno and Paper Mario more but i wouldn't mind of Jr also.) Which is exactally why i tryed to not side with one (Even through Geno has the most stars.) Into giving all the routes the developers can take, I'm not a geno fanboy -_-.
2.Plot signifigance meant for not judging how many games but what they did in there very games, Bowser Jr still shared the villian role between his dad and is said to be a pawn,
3.You must be kidding me? Polls and journals say hi, And paper mario is very succesful in japan and america; You can't downplay there chances either.

I'm not trying to downplay on one of them but Paper Mario is current also and is popular blahblahblah + Has starred in his own games, Guess what? Just as many as Jr! (3 Games PM Has been in with a star role and 3 for Jr with a lesser role that is hardly the main villian.) And he has been noticed through the Nsider polls hosted by a moderator and was very noticed :O!Oh and don't forget that PM Is a succesful franchise so... And then geno has that nice little spot of second on his polls with sakurai showing a bit of interest.

We'll just have to wait and see...But again, I'm not trying to downplay one or the other because they all 3 have good chances.

First of all, I like this analysis. It's so much more well thought-out than so many other arguments I've seen in this regard, even though it's really kind of inaccurate. For one, I see some categories having higher priority than others. When I say that I mean that some categories are more important than others, and I'd say that makes the overall analysis fairly inaccurate. Also, "plot significance" and "significance" (appearances) should really be merged into one category, but I guess I'll address those separately for now.

Anyways, I see nothing wrong with the analyses of the first two categories. Popularity is hard to gauge (though from what I can tell Junior is the most popular character as of now), so giving them all even numbers here is fair I guess. Appearances aren't something that can be addressed, for obvious reasons. I really only have a large problem with one category: plot significance.



I can see both Bowser Jr and PM given higher numbers here. PM is most likely the most significant to his games out of the three seeing as he's the protagonist of them (arguably the most important role of any game save maybe the main antagonist). Geno is a very important "side" character and Junior's role is inconsistent throughout his appearances, though has had roles as the main antagonist.

On that note, Junior's plot significance, like I said, is inconsistent. That's why I would merge this category with "significance" to make a general significance category. Still, Junior is given relatively low numbers here based on your reasoning for them. Junior is NOT Bowser's pawn, in fact he works independently of Bowser in Mario Sunshine and the New Super Mario Bros (it's also hinted at somewhat in Galaxy). Both of the mentioned appearances I might add, were as the main antagonist of the game, which is very significant to the plot-line (again, it's arguably as important a role as the main protagonist). No antagonist, no plot. And yes, Bowser served as the final boss of both games along side Junior, though there is a difference between "main antagonist" and "final boss." Junior made and enacted the plans to capture Peach in both the mentioned games, making him without argument the main antagonist of both games.

Personally I'd give him the same numbers as Geno here. He's not as important as PM, though only because of his inconsistent roles.

But again, the whole analysis would be so much more accurate if you were to merge the two categories I mentioned. It's because of Junior's so many appearances that I would give him a lower score in this area; if you were to merge the two, Junior's probably the most significant of the three (generally speaking).

And of course there are other variables to take into account. Junior is much more recognizable, he's a more recent character than the other two. The games these characters have starred in as well, which games had a larger impact on audiences? That effects the character's importance as well.

Really, it's Bowser Jr who has the best chances out of the three. Or rather, he's the most deserving out of them. His character has more depth to it than PM or Geno, he's more recognizable, had more appearances, has possessed very important roles during said appearances, and has great move-set potential (paintbrush/pole-arm weapon). Plus, you can't have Bowser without Bowser Jr nowadays, it's innappropriate.

But like I said, while this analysis is well thought-out, it's not very accurate. Plus, we've had so many arguments on this topic, that there doesn't need to be any more. I'm so tired of repeating myself so many times.

You make sence but another thing is that if you read the part of "Sakurai's poll and journal results" Where he is more downplayed, Also i would say that Paper Mario holds more popularity (All 3 of his games say hi.) But which is why i kept them even; I Put plot signifigance and signifigance due to the number of "BUT GENO DID THIS LULZ" "PAPER MARIO DID THAT" "BOWSER JR DID THIS" "OMG JR APPEARED IN MORE GAMES" Etc comments.

Really if we see only one more newcomer and they aren't able to get geno's copyrights as i explained then it's down to PM And Jr (What sakurai wants more.) Because they are both very even, If there's 2 newcomers then i have no clue what will happen, We will just have to wait and see who is right.

 

[JJJ.Brawler]

If 1 were to get in, I would hope it is BJ. (lolBJ)

If 2 were to get in, I would hope it is BJ, and Geno.

Even though I hate Geno A LOT... Paper Mario just doesn't fit. ( Don't get me wrong, I love Paper Mario games...AND Super Mario RPG.)

 

[Enigma14]

Would rather have the original koopalings but Geno 4 Brawl!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Would rather have the original koopalings but Geno 4 Brawl!

@ Koopalings .

If 1 were to get in, I would hope it is BJ. (lolBJ)

If 2 were to get in, I would hope it is BJ, and Geno.

Even though I hate Geno A LOT... Paper Mario just doesn't fit. ( Don't get me wrong, I love Paper Mario games...AND Super Mario RPG.)

If sakurai wants them then he will fit them in but i see.

 

[Boomer]

@Boomer: I think I speak for everyone when I say you're a dumba**.

I support Geno ahead of everyone else but I have to say Bowser Jr. is the most likely of the three with Paper Mario the second most likely. I'm too lazy to make any points on that so I'll just wait for points to be presented for me and I'll make counterpoints where I see fit.

Edit: Actually, a lot of you are dumba**es. Apparently, none of you can carry on a simple conversation without unneccessarilly flaming one another.

If you like Naruto, you're not an idiot.
If you like Cloud, you're not an idiot.
If you DON'T like those two characters, you're not an idiot.

But to make attacks on people based on who they like is purely bias and flat-out, just plain dicketry.

You are quite the master-debater. *snicker*

 

[626key]

PM gives mario more screen time without cloning him, thats why I support Wolf link/Midna

 

[Cinder]

I was just using it as an example, and this is not the place to flame the awesomeness of FF7. Just saying that Geno is a sidekick (Like Vincent), who is almost (If not better) than the main hero that everybody goes on about (Cloud).

Again... it's an example.

So true...okay, I'll admit, Geno was more of a sidekick, but an important one...yeah, the game could have existed without him, but for all we know, it wouldn't have been as good...

@Boomer: I think I speak for everyone when I say you're a dumba**.

I support Geno ahead of everyone else but I have to say Bowser Jr. is the most likely of the three with Paper Mario the second most likely. I'm too lazy to make any points on that so I'll just wait for points to be presented for me and I'll make counterpoints where I see fit.

Edit: Actually, a lot of you are dumba**es. Apparently, none of you can carry on a simple conversation without unneccessarilly flaming one another.

If you like Naruto, you're not an idiot.
If you like Cloud, you're not an idiot.
If you DON'T like those two characters, you're not an idiot.

But to make attacks on people based on who they like is purely bias and flat-out, just plain dicketry.

Seconded...glad we have someone with some brains in here...

Boomer, what's gotten into you? This isn't like you, man...

 

[tafutureboy]

paper mario would not be a mario clone, atleast i dont think. 2-D mario is different than his 3-d counter part.........would love to see him in brawl

never played a game with geno, so no comment

Bowser JR.
Super mario sunshine
super mario galaxy
new super mario brothers

all the games i've played with Jr. in them, his dad ran the whole thing....would be cool, but i dont see happening

 

[DeuceBlade]

paper mario would not be a mario clone, atleast i dont think. 2-D mario is different than his 3-d counter part.........would love to see him in brawl

never played a game with geno, so no comment

Bowser JR.
Super mario sunshine
super mario galaxy
new super mario brothers

all the games i've played with Jr. in them, his dad ran the whole thing....would be cool, but i dont see happening

Please do not spread false information.

The Main antagonist of New Super Mario bros, and Mario Sunshine is Bowser Jr, if you had actually played those games you would probably have realized this.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Please do not spread false information.

The Main antagonist of New Super Mario bros, and Mario Sunshine is Bowser Jr, if you had actually played those games you would probably have realized this.

Well it's debateable but he goes around doing the things for his dad.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Well it's debateable but he goes around doing the things for his dad.

There is nothing to debate, the plot revolves around the things bowser Jr has done, heres the example.

Super Mario Sunshine:

Bowser Jr believes peach is his mother, and because he wants a full family he does the following: Steals Prof E Gadd's paintbrush, Turns into Shadow Mario, Frames Mario for a Crime, Kidnaps peach, and then Brings his "mama" and father together in a weird Hottub in the sky.

Now lets look at what Bowser did: Because Bowser Jr kidnapped Peach, he joined them in the Hot tub, and when Mario appeared went all psycho.

Now from those two point of views, who is was the cause of the plot development? Bowser JR!

New Super Mario Bros.:

Bowsers role in NSMB was very minimal, his role was actually Smaller than Bowser Jr's role in Mario Galaxy. All bowser did was serve as a obstacle to slow down Mario from Catching up with Bowser Jr.

Bowser Jr kidnapped peach, and it is Bowser Jr who Mario is chasing. So Saying Bowser was the main antagonist in this game, is like Saying Bowser Jr is the main antagonist in Mario Galaxy, because their roles were similar, with the exception of Bowser Jr actually moving the plot of the story along.

Bowser Jr for brawl!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

There is nothing to debate, the plot revolves around the things bowser Jr has done, heres the example.

Super Mario Sunshine:

Bowser Jr believes peach is his mother, and because he wants a full family he does the following: Steals Prof E Gadd's paintbrush, Turns into Shadow Mario, Frames Mario for a Crime, Kidnaps peach, and then Brings his "mama" and father together in a weird Hottub in the sky.

Now lets look at what Bowser did: Because Bowser Jr kidnapped Peach, he joined them in the Hot tub, and when Mario appeared went all psycho.

Now from those two point of views, who is was the cause of the plot development? Bowser JR!

New Super Mario Bros.:

Bowsers role in NSMB was very minimal, his role was actually Smaller than Bowser Jr's role in Mario Galaxy. All bowser did was serve as a obstacle to slow down Mario from Catching up with Bowser Jr.

Bowser Jr kidnapped peach, and it is Bowser Jr who Mario is chasing. So Saying Bowser was the main antagonist in this game, is like Saying Bowser Jr is the main antagonist in Mario Galaxy, because their roles were similar, with the exception of Bowser Jr actually moving the plot of the story along.

Bowser Jr for brawl!

No, Bowser told his son to do all that, Still even through he did it doesen't affect his chances much (And it still is debateable.)

Also don't forget paper mario and Geno .

 

[DeuceBlade]

No, Bowser told his son to do all that, Still even through he did it doesen't affect his chances much (And it still is debateable.)

Also don't forget paper mario and Geno .

I'm sorry did you have an extra scene in your copies of NSMB and Sunshine because Bowser Never told Jr to do anything in those games, he did them on his own free will.

Paper Mario, and Geno don't effect Jrs chances at all.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm sorry did you have an extra scene in your copies of NSMB and Sunshine because Bowser Never told Jr to do anything in those games, he did them on his own free will.

Paper Mario, and Geno don't effect Jrs chances at all.

Jr is bowser's son @_@, I Don't have NSMB but i know in sunshine that his father tells him what to do.

And if PM And Geno are both in then how will Jr get in with 6 Playable Mario reps? I'm just saying that we shouldn't downplay on PM And geno also as they both have stellar chances.(All 3 do .)

 

[Sasori's_Shadow]

You make sence but another thing is that if you read the part of "Sakurai's poll and journal results"

I read the whole argument, and I understand that neither PM or Junior appeared on the poll. I just didn't see anything to address there so I didn't bring it up.

Also i would say that Paper Mario holds more popularity (All 3 of his games say hi.)

But see, while the Paper Mario games may be very popular, Paper Mario isn't a popular character (relatively speaking). His character has less depth than Junior or even Geno. Junior and Geno have established personalities of some kind, whereas PM really hasn't.

I Put plot signifigance and signifigance due to the number of "BUT GENO DID THIS LULZ" "PAPER MARIO DID THAT" "BOWSER JR DID THIS" "OMG JR APPEARED IN MORE GAMES" Etc comments.

Oh, well then I see where you're coming from. Still, significance and plot significance have a direct effect on each other, so merging them would probably be more accurate.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Jr is bowser's son @_@, I Don't have NSMB but i know in sunshine that his father tells him what to do.

And if PM And Geno are both in then how will Jr get in with 6 Playable Mario reps? I'm just saying that we shouldn't downplay on PM And geno also as they both have stellar chances.(All 3 do .)

I do not downplay on PM or Geno, I am just saying that Bowser Jr is not effected by them, PM actually represents another franchise, like Yoshi and Wario.

Geno on the other hand is not as important to nintendo, or the Mario Franchise as Bowser Jr.

and it is obvious that you don't have NSMB, and in sunshine Bowser does not tell Bowser Jr to do any other the things he did. Since you have that game I suggest playing it again, and observing the overall plot of it.

 

[Nibwoddle]

As much as I hate the fact that Bowser Jr is lowest and Geno is highest, there's no denying that I agree with all the stuff you said.

 

[Mysteryfox1]

I think Geno's chances are slim to none. Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario were at least in some games not only one

 

[DeuceBlade]

I think Geno's chances are slim to none. Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario were at least in some games not only one

Geno does actually have a good chance, but you are definitely correct on the BJ and PM part.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I do not downplay on PM or Geno, I am just saying that Bowser Jr is not effected by them, PM actually represents another franchise, like Yoshi and Wario.

Geno on the other hand is not as important to nintendo, or the Mario Franchise as Bowser Jr.

and it is obvious that you don't have NSMB, and in sunshine Bowser does not tell Bowser Jr to do any other the things he did. Since you have that game I suggest playing it again, and observing the overall plot of it.

I Played Sunshine and even there he teams up with his "Dad" At the end to fight mario in the hot tub and does it all for his dad? Yeah, I Remembered that right.

Also Doc says hi, He was another mario and mario franchise yet paired in the freaking mario icon, And Geno still has those nice poll results.

Really any combination of the 3 if there were 6 Newcomers is possible since they all 3 have good chances, We'll have to find out later.

I read the whole argument, and I understand that neither PM or Junior appeared on the poll. I just didn't see anything to address there so I didn't bring it up.

That is true.

But see, while the Paper Mario games may be very popular, Paper Mario isn't a popular character (relatively speaking). His character has less depth than Junior or even Geno. Junior and Geno have established personalities of some kind, whereas PM really hasn't.

Well PM Still had a very good story in all 3 games but it makes sence, We can't really judge who is the most popular since it's hard to.

Oh, well then I see where you're coming from. Still, significance and plot significance have a direct effect on each other, so merging them would probably be more accurate.

True but it depends on what is more accurate for it, Either way we could say something like how Jr has the highest chances yet paper mario gets confirmed twomorrow (Hypothetically speaking.) And this is a heated topic but they all 3 have very good chances.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I Played Sunshine and even there he teams up with his "Dad" At the end to fight mario in the hot tub and does it all for his dad? Yeah, I Remembered that right.

Bowser Jr wanted his family together, so that is why he (not bowser) kidnapped Peach.

Also Doc says hi, He was another mario and mario franchise yet paired in the freaking mario icon, And Geno still has those nice poll results.

.

Well Doctor Mario is literally just Mario, this is like saying Wario Ware wario is different from overalls Wario, Paper Mario is an actually different person, in another world, with similar characters.

 

[Xiroey2]

[edited for privacy]

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Bowser Jr wanted his family together, so that is why he (not bowser) kidnapped Peach.

And bowser told him to, But this is getting us nowhere, We all agree that those 3 have good chances and we could be seeing any of them.

Well Doctor Mario is literally just Mario, this is like saying Wario Ware wario is different from overalls Wario, Paper Mario is an actually different person, in another world, with similar characters.

He was from his own franchise as well yet he got the mushroom icon? Still through if they did put a special icon for Paper Mario then i would be very happy if Geno and Jr repped the mushroom icon ( I Want all 3 of them in but i'm leaning a bit more towards PM And Geno.) But i doubt that will happen.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

For smash, time is irrelevant and number of games are irrelevant...

Why are people so stuck up on those fan made factors?

 

[DeuceBlade]

And bowser told him to, But this is getting us nowhere, We all agree that those 3 have good chances and we could be seeing any of them.

Ok I don't know if you are doing this because you don't understand, or are just trying to make bowser jr appear less significant.

Read this and please comprehend: Bowser did not tell Bowser Jr to do anything in Mario Sunshine, or NSMB.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Ok I don't know if you are doing this because you don't understand, or are just trying to make bowser jr appear less significant.

Read this and please comprehend: Bowser did not tell Bowser Jr to do anything in Mario Sunshine, or NSMB.

Didn't he capture peach for him? I Can't remember it right but like i said; It's debateable, And he still has a good ammount of signifigance, Signifigance? Yes, Plot signifigance? Still there.

Like i said, This is getting us nowhere; There are only 3 competitiors left and probably only 1-2 will move on.

For smash, time is irrelevant and number of games are irrelevant...

Why are people so stuck up on those fan made factors?

It's hardly a factor and i'm not sure...But that wasn't the point of this topic >.<.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Didn't he capture peach for him? I Can't remember it right but like i said; It's debateable

He did it for himself, and no it is not debatable.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

He did it for himself, and no it is not debatable.

I'll just have to replay it again but i already said...Nvm, I Don't think i need to repeat myself.

 

[Cinder]

He did it for himself, and no it is not debatable.

Right, but why did he kidnap Peach? Because someone said she was his mother, and that Mario was kidnapping her...