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Community Mafia: El final

Purple

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Alright, so it's time to step it up. I was on the verge of quitting because god dammit, OS your posts are like a large piping pile of obnoxious.

But that aside, I'm not trying to lose because of how annoying you are to me.

First off, Tom said he was going to check up on his ability to drop out of this mafia game, and hasn't really come back to do anything. Even for the time period he was here, his posts weren't of much help (questions with no weight, etc.). Now he hasn't even come back. We'll definitely either need a replacement soon or for him to step it up. (i know this is a quality -everyone and their grandmother- can see from this thread, i just wnted to point it out).


Secondly, this is more of a hunch, but this whole thing with everyone agreeing so, calmly, really gives me this edge that most of our perceptions are in the wrong direction. Many people in this game are having this odd aura of invincibility. OS and Swiss being the main two i'm pointing towards. While I understand that they were, in fact, the most active plays in the game, it bugs me that everyone seems overly willing to not approach them in any form. On top of this, gheb was a strong player, however wasn't OS also a 'strong' player by his knowledge? Why wasn't he the night play. ;X
 

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why not? he seems to like wacky roles, I can see him doing something like that, It may help us figure out the game set-up
It may also leak out power roles. Who would have thought we have two nurses? What if there's an arsonist? If I was mafia and there was flavor talk going on, I'd NKill the first person that mentioned a role I didn't like because 9/10, they mention their own role. Flavor talk has to be handled carefully; talking about colors (too simple) or mod meta (too vague) only helps scum by creating false leads for town and worse.
 

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Secondly, this is more of a hunch, but this whole thing with everyone agreeing so, calmly, really gives me this edge that most of our perceptions are in the wrong direction. Many people in this game are having this odd aura of invincibility. OS and Swiss being the main two i'm pointing towards. While I understand that they were, in fact, the most active plays in the game, it bugs me that everyone seems overly willing to not approach them in any form. On top of this, gheb was a strong player, however wasn't OS also a 'strong' player by his knowledge? Why wasn't he the night play. ;X
Sorry, but you don't get a medal if you managed to lynch me by saying "he's too town". Only Swiss.


Seriously though... saying "This guy is scum because he's... active... and a strong town player... and wasn't night killed N1" isn't exactly the most pressing of cases.
 

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Roxy, I'm still waitin on that post about how your actions have been protown.

X1, there are so many reasons why os might not have been the nk. Maybe mafia thought he would be docced, maybe they thought he was more suspicious, maybe they thought gheb was a bigger threat. Regardless, it's no where near thr point where we need to start sayin " oh he hasn died yet he must be scum" (directed at roxy not x1. On my phone and can't scroll up easily)

there's no point in debating the presence of docs, as it's protown in no way. Let's drop it and focus.

Seph, if you're talkin about toms dropping the hammer, no Im not giving him a free pass. I wouldn't even bring it up as a point if roxy had done it. If it's the activity, yeah, but he's stated to have his reasons, and his inactivity is noted, I think mos of us are waitin to see if he picks it up
 

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@seph: The difference between say gordito and tom, is that if tom starts picking it up and playing properly he's worth having around, even if gordito boy becomes super-active he's still not gonna be of much help. I'm also of the belief that the person that hammers is equally responsible for the death of that person as all the other people voting for him. saying "I was only voting for pressure" is just a cop-out excuse

@Ronike: fair do's in terms of doc


@Roxy: who should we lynch? (4th time asking) You are voting swords but show no real inclination to push for his lynch
 

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Swords and Gordito X1

@Ronike - i'm still wating for which actions in particular, which still hasn't been actually answered.
 

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Seph, if you're talkin about toms dropping the hammer, no Im not giving him a free pass. I wouldn't even bring it up as a point if roxy had done it. If it's the activity, yeah, but he's stated to have his reasons, and his inactivity is noted, I think mos of us are waitin to see if he picks it up
He is almost as bad as swords, except he doesn't look like an idiot when he posts.

@seph: The difference between say gordito and tom, is that if tom starts picking it up and playing properly he's worth having around, even if gordito boy becomes super-active he's still not gonna be of much help. I'm also of the belief that the person that hammers is equally responsible for the death of that person as all the other people voting for him. saying "I was only voting for pressure" is just a cop-out excuse
This is what I'm saying, just because he could play a good game doesn't mean he is atm. If I was the best mafia player around and could spot scum the first day, but was inactive most of the game, I would be useless player and just an extra spot, no matter what role I was. That is how I feel about tom.
 

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This is what I'm saying, just because he could play a good game doesn't mean he is atm. If I was the best mafia player around and could spot scum the first day, but was inactive most of the game, I would be useless player and just an extra spot, no matter what role I was. That is how I feel about tom.
regardless swords would still be a better lynch candidate though?
 

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@roxy, how about any action you think you made that was protown. And os already said just work your way backwards through everything, nice reading once again
 

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I think its better to just lynch day by day? listing people to lynch over the following days just gives scum more info for their NK
 

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Actually, just lookin to get Vrael or Swords lynched, more Vrael than Swords.

I think I can say with the utmost confidence that one of them, if not both of them, are scum. They just haven't been doing anything in general to help out town.

How do you see me wanting ANYONE lynched?
hmmm, you haven't been pushing swords' lynch very hard recently though
 

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@roxy, how about any action you think you made that was protown. And os already said just work your way backwards through everything, nice reading once again
That isn't answering the question though, If i think everything I said helps town, working back until i find something won't work now will it?
 

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Sorry guys, yesterday was super busy.

X1, my role pm name has no color.

Gordito boy seems to be pointing the finger at me, saying, NOU! So far he has not been any more useful than me.
I have noticed all the votes on me. So don't go assuming that just because i don't mention you, x1, and gheb voting me. It's sort of a weaksauce point if you ask me.
If I'm not mistaken, this is Swords' activity since I posted.

****. GREAT point. I'm saying NOU! Because ANYBODY understands what you mean by that (cuz god knows I don't...) And I haven't been ANY more useful than you? I'm not gonna be the one to argue that case, cuz I feel like I'm trying to be more useful than how everyone sees me. But we'll let the rest of town decide who's more useful.

And OMG! YOU NOTICED THAT PEOPLE ARE AGAINST YOU. How long did it take you to realize that? And saying it's a "weaksause" point is some of the best defense I've heard from anybody in the history of mafia. You deserve a plaque my friend. On a serious note, how about DEFENDING yourself. Show us, don't just TELL us.

Swords, you're a useless mothereffer, you're popping in and out to banter on stuff that you pray will be overlooked, and I don't think anybody should stand for your bulls*** anymore. You basically cured any thought that I had of you being town in those two posts.

Vote: SwordsRBroken

Good lord, it felt good to do that :p.
 

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Roxy, how are your actions helping town?
See? We are asking HOW your actions are protown, not which ones. I'd hope you thought all your actions were protown. So, find an action you can explain to us, and then if I feel like it still I'll ask about a specific action
 

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Day 2 Vote Count
Dark Pappy Charles (3): Overswarm, Ronike, Swiss
SwordsRbroken (3): X1-12, Dark Pappy Charles, GorditoBoy69
Tom (1): Sephiroths Masamune

Not voting: Tom, SwordsRbroken, Sworddancer.

It takes 6 out of 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, August 31 at 11:59:59 PM ET.
 

SwordsRbroken

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If I'm not mistaken, this is Swords' activity since I posted.

****. GREAT point. I'm saying NOU! Because ANYBODY understands what you mean by that (cuz god knows I don't...) And I haven't been ANY more useful than you? I'm not gonna be the one to argue that case, cuz I feel like I'm trying to be more useful than how everyone sees me. But we'll let the rest of town decide who's more useful.

And OMG! YOU NOTICED THAT PEOPLE ARE AGAINST YOU. How long did it take you to realize that? And saying it's a "weaksause" point is some of the best defense I've heard from anybody in the history of mafia. You deserve a plaque my friend. On a serious note, how about DEFENDING yourself. Show us, don't just TELL us.

Swords, you're a useless mothereffer, you're popping in and out to banter on stuff that you pray will be overlooked, and I don't think anybody should stand for your bulls*** anymore. You basically cured any thought that I had of you being town in those two posts.

Vote: SwordsRBroken

Good lord, it felt good to do that :p.
Nice AtE.

Vote: Gorditoboy
 

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Roxy lynch is also looking good.

Gordito's most recent post is basically a giant AtE like i said in my last post, saying that i should be lynched because......i'm useless in his opinion. He's no more useful than i am. Gordito has given no other reasons why i should be lynched, yet he is pushing it so hard. this is why i think he is scum.
 

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Swords, you dismiss any pressure against you. (even though you were right about the AtE) You also fail to address the countless posts that are against you.

Your also useless in everyone's eyes not just Gorditos.
 

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it's hypocritical for GBoy to call Broken out not being useful, but he is right.

Seph said:
Swords, you dismiss any pressure against you. (even though you were right about the AtE) You also fail to address the countless posts that are against you.

Your also useless in everyone's eyes not just Gorditos.
QFT.

Also, on that note, Roxy, you stalling? Answer the questions against you, why are you being intentionally antagonistic? What have you done to help town?

GBoy, one more question. What do you think of Ronike? (Yes, I have a reason for asking you these questions.)

I'm fine with putting Roxy at L_2, which I'll do in 5 minutes.
 

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To me, Ronike is looking pretty pro town. He's like a not as active, not as d***ish Overswarm. I'm liking him.

Now, why are you asking me my views on all these people (I think just Tom and Ronike but still all these people :p)
 

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I also like how we all get to call OS a ****.

Os, you're a ****.

K so Swords post there confirmed what was already confirmed, he's prolly been told to say that, look mad scummy and try to bus Roxy (scum never do that amirite?).


People better be thinkin' about the set-up here.
 

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Roxy, here's three things you've done I've picked out three posts. If you don't like these posts then pick three of your own but so far you appear to be incapable of that

Alright, so it's time to step it up. I was on the verge of quitting because god dammit, OS your posts are like a large piping pile of obnoxious.

But that aside, I'm not trying to lose because of how annoying you are to me.

First off, Tom said he was going to check up on his ability to drop out of this mafia game, and hasn't really come back to do anything. Even for the time period he was here, his posts weren't of much help (questions with no weight, etc.). Now he hasn't even come back. We'll definitely either need a replacement soon or for him to step it up. (i know this is a quality -everyone and their grandmother- can see from this thread, i just wnted to point it out).


Secondly, this is more of a hunch, but this whole thing with everyone agreeing so, calmly, really gives me this edge that most of our perceptions are in the wrong direction. Many people in this game are having this odd aura of invincibility. OS and Swiss being the main two i'm pointing towards. While I understand that they were, in fact, the most active plays in the game, it bugs me that everyone seems overly willing to not approach them in any form. On top of this, gheb was a strong player, however wasn't OS also a 'strong' player by his knowledge? Why wasn't he the night play. ;X
The middle is talking about you pretty much barking at everyone, however backing down either near the same time or ignoring it all together.

You haven't done anything with it.

Noted that it's okay to just jump on a train if there's no chance of it changing ways. I'm glad you weren't around when I was at L-2
X1-12, didn't we go over this in Newbie 7?

Is this deserving of an infraction of some sort?
 

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Alright, let's see what's going on here in this thread.

For starters, I will answer Swordancer's question, because that's the first question I saw this morning. This game is boring, with the delicate blend of inactivity and ignorance it's not very easy to scumhunt efficiently. We find ourselves looking too hard into thing,

[collapse=a good example of looking too deep into bull****]for example OS won't vote Swords because of 'three dumb people on the lynch'. And? Hunches are hunches, and sometimes they lead in the right direction, especially if a large deal of the group agrees on swords' scummy actions, why would "three dumb people" -truly- be a viable reason to not lynch someone you think is scummy. [/collapse]

I don't really care about this game, even when I do the information is overlooked or small things that should've already been picked up.

I wouldn't consider anything i've done to be anti-town (except for one instance i will discuss later). Most of what i've done is fluff, responses to people's questions, or discussion about people's play habits or inconsistencies. The only thing that could possibly be considered anti-town would be me saying "ooh! ooh! Lynch me!" a page or two back. This is merely me -not liking- this game and trolling like I like to do sometimes. While I agree it's anti-town, I wouldn't take it as 'omgz scum kill im'; Vrael literally pulled the 'I give up lynch me" card and look where that got us.


To answer Swords, my particular actions are just to give further information into what I've been noticing. a good example is Ronike, I was talking to him recently about his own actions. Notice what he did with his recent vote, he voted me only a few moments after you voted me; my 'ooh ohh lynch me' comment probably went off as a 'easy lynch' thought. He pulled up some stupid information (none of which were true, he says i jump on the wagon that's most convenient, however iirc my last vote on d1 was on you wasn't it OS?) Then ignores his mistake after the vote has been cast.

Btw X1, My plays are still Gordito and Swords just for the principle of not helping, Ronike on a close lynch though.
 

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a good example of looking too deep into bull****
for example OS won't vote Swords because of 'three dumb people on the lynch'. And? Hunches are hunches, and sometimes they lead in the right direction, especially if a large deal of the group agrees on swords' scummy actions, why would "three dumb people" -truly- be a viable reason to not lynch someone you think is scummy.
 

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@ Seph "for example OS won't vote Swords because of 'three dumb people on the lynch'. And? Hunches are hunches, and sometimes they lead in the right direction, especially if a large deal of the group agrees on swords' scummy actions, why would "three dumb people" -truly- be a viable reason to not lynch someone you think is scummy."

@ Roxy - What you're saying about Ronike strikes a chord with me, I feel like the violin to your violinist that's quite good at his job...which is playing the violin. Couldya gimme more stuff on this rogue? Lookin' @ Ronike wagon if ya make a decent case.
 

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Big post incoming. Forgive me if I'm a bit rusty, its been a while.

To answer Swords, my particular actions are just to give further information into what I've been noticing. a good example is Ronike, I was talking to him recently about his own actions. Notice what he did with his recent vote, he voted me only a few moments after you voted me; my 'ooh ohh lynch me' comment probably went off as a 'easy lynch' thought. He pulled up some stupid information (none of which were true, he says i jump on the wagon that's most convenient, however iirc my last vote on d1 was on you wasn't it OS?) Then ignores his mistake after the vote has been cast.
Lol Roxy, nice try. Learn to play please. Let's take a look at my vote post.

And then theres Roxy. Let's f*ckin lynch this moron please. He hasn't read the **** thread, he jumps on whatever wagon is convenient, and he's just f*ckin annoying.

Unvote Vote Roxy
Yes, it does say that his jumping is a reason [which he does BTW, cover that in a minute], but also that he skims which is just as big of a point to me. Further more, when OS questioned me about my vote, I further explained my reasons:

Ugh, smashboards killed my big post... Cliffnotes:

Roxy hasn't made any stances he can't really take back by saying "lol, just kidding" nor will he if we let him continue this posting style

The color thing was super scummy to me.

His uselessness is different that say, Gordito's. At least the latter is trying and could get better.

He's just posted nothing besides the color thing. And in mafia nothing is something.
So its far from just the wagoning.

Now, onto the points themselves:

You don't post metadata, period. The post PM information such as the color of my pm role is posting metadata imo. Would a mafia member be able to post the correct color in comparison to a townie? No, therefore it's unfair. Claiming is fine because in the end, a mafia can do the same thing as you.
How and in what way is this pro-town in any way? You say it's unfair, well not really. Chances are the mod has taken precautionary actions, such as not giving out colors or having the town color in the OP. And if not, well then we get a free mafia member. 1. Single. It's not like we get the whole team, so its hardly game destroying, so there's no real reason for you to be flipping out this much. Unless you're scum tryna protect your scumbuddies.

Ronike said:
His uselessness is different that say, Gordito's. At least the latter is trying and could get better.
I don't really care about this game, even when I do the information is overlooked or small things that should've already been picked up.
Alright, so it's time to step it up. I was on the verge of quitting because god dammit, OS your posts are like a large piping pile of obnoxious.
Who cares, we're killing swords right? les goooo.
EBWOP: I'm just going to troll until I find something else that OS can say is dumb.
4 different posts where you admit yourself that you don't care about this game [well 3 and 1 that's enough of a troll to show you don't care about this game]. People that "don't care" about the game tend to be mafia giving excuses for not contributing, mafia that is bored because they don't have to hunt for town or their scumbuddies are boring or w/e, or in worst case an utterly useless townie. More than willing to lynch this.

Ronike said:
He's just posted nothing besides the color thing. And in mafia nothing is something.
Before I made this post, find me one place where you contributed to the game. I dare ya.

Ronike said:
he jumps on whatever wagon is convenient
You don't have to vote to jump on a wagon. Saying your behind the wagon, throwing suspicion onto the wagon, or even just nudging people, its all the same as jumping on the wagon, its just less traceable, so MAFIA tends to do it.

Now for examples:

To answer Swords, my particular actions are just to give further information into what I've been noticing. a good example is Ronike, I was talking to him recently about his own actions. Notice what he did with his recent vote, he voted me only a few moments after you voted me; my 'ooh ohh lynch me' comment probably went off as a 'easy lynch' thought. He pulled up some stupid information (none of which were true, he says i jump on the wagon that's most convenient, however iirc my last vote on d1 was on you wasn't it OS?) Then ignores his mistake after the vote has been cast.

Btw X1, My plays are still Gordito and Swords just for the principle of not helping, Ronike on a close lynch though.
3 wagons here, me Gordito, and swords.

First off, Tom said he was going to check up on his ability to drop out of this mafia game, and hasn't really come back to do anything. Even for the time period he was here, his posts weren't of much help (questions with no weight, etc.). Now he hasn't even come back. We'll definitely either need a replacement soon or for him to step it up. (i know this is a quality -everyone and their grandmother- can see from this thread, i just wnted to point it out).


Secondly, this is more of a hunch, but this whole thing with everyone agreeing so, calmly, really gives me this edge that most of our perceptions are in the wrong direction. Many people in this game are having this odd aura of invincibility. OS and Swiss being the main two i'm pointing towards. While I understand that they were, in fact, the most active plays in the game, it bugs me that everyone seems overly willing to not approach them in any form. On top of this, gheb was a strong player, however wasn't OS also a 'strong' player by his knowledge? Why wasn't he the night play. ;X
Nudging Tom and OS wagons here.

Wow absolutely no one wants to give OVerswarm or swiss any vote love.

Vrael's at L2 regardless of everyone talking **** about swords.
OS and Swiss

I'm interested in how you can call me more useless than say, gorditoboy69, who's read didn't show any strong leads towards anything.
Nudging GBoy.

So that's 7 wagons you've nudged or been on in spirit. And I'm not even counting the multiple times you've tried to push OS [3] and Swords [at least 4, if not 5]. So don't go sayin you aren't jumpin on every wagon.

Now just to address your most recent post in full:

Alright, let's see what's going on here in this thread.

For starters, I will answer Swordancer's question, because that's the first question I saw this morning. This game is boring, with the delicate blend of inactivity and ignorance it's not very easy to scumhunt efficiently. We find ourselves looking too hard into thing,

[collapse=a good example of looking too deep into bull****]for example OS won't vote Swords because of 'three dumb people on the lynch'. And? Hunches are hunches, and sometimes they lead in the right direction, especially if a large deal of the group agrees on swords' scummy actions, why would "three dumb people" -truly- be a viable reason to not lynch someone you think is scummy. [/collapse]

I don't really care about this game, even when I do the information is overlooked or small things that should've already been picked up.
A] Why would you collapse anything, it just makes it hard for some people to read?
B] This game is NOT inactive at all. So don't go complainin. Certain people are inactive, but the game itself has plenty of activity to draw scum tells from.
C] There's ignorance in every game, so again, not a valid point. In addition, just because people don't agree with you does not mean they are ignorant, just that you've made a bad point. Therefore, I doubt there's anywhere near as much ignorance as you think there is.
D] There's no such thing as looking too hard into something
E] He didn't say he WON'T vote swords, just that he is reluctant due to the people on the wagon. There's a big difference. I do believe he has agreed the swords is scummy, just that we have other roads to explore ATM.
F] Things are missed in every game, that's why you bring them up later. Invalid point.
G] If you hate this game so much, ****in replace out instead of complaining.


I wouldn't consider anything i've done to be anti-town (except for one instance i will discuss later). Most of what i've done is fluff, responses to people's questions, or discussion about people's play habits or inconsistencies. The only thing that could possibly be considered anti-town would be me saying "ooh! ooh! Lynch me!" a page or two back. This is merely me -not liking- this game and trolling like I like to do sometimes. While I agree it's anti-town, I wouldn't take it as 'omgz scum kill im'; Vrael literally pulled the 'I give up lynch me" card and look where that got us.
A] Fluff IS anti-town. Its distracting from points, and it makes it impossible to draw scumtells. Hence, anti town
B] So you're saying the color thing is in no way anti-town? o_O
 

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**** we have a week of this.

Other than Tom posting more there's nothing I'm desperately hoping for.

Fine with a Roxy lynch atm.

Want to hear more from just about everybody, but mostly Tom.
 
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