Community Growth Discussion

[JPOBS]

This is one of the things that I think is holding the Melee community back. There is a ridiculous level of animosity toward the premier fighting game community in the world.

what part of my post makes you think I have animosity towards SRK?
I merely stated the fact that they hated us before pokemon theme song, and still do. thats it.

theres no animosity towards them from my end. unnecessary post is unnecessary.

SmashBoards in general doesn't seem to respect SRK as a good community playing good competitive games.

wtf, i don't even know where you're getting these assumptions from.

No one has said anything disrespectful towards SRK or its games. AT MOST people have said something like "who cares what they think". Thank god i didnt waste my time reading your post (apart from tldr), seems like you were rambling for the sake of rambling.

 

[Cobalt]

Chill man, I was using your post as an example of a trend I've seen in SmashBoards as a whole, not this thread specifically. If you want me to look up other examples, I'll gladly do that. You state that SRK hates us. That's an antagonistic statement that suggests animosity toward them. Sorry if you didn't intend that; there are definitely clearer examples from earlier threads where SRK has been brought up. I thought the relationship between SmashBoards and SRK was pretty common knowledge, which is why I didn't look for those clearer examples.

edit: Also

Nay, this is just another thing to add to their already stupid list of why they hate us.

This too. You called the community's reasons for hating us stupid, which clearly shows animosity. Part of my post was trying to explain why their list of reasons for hating us mostly isn't stupid, just the product of poor interactions with SmashBoards in the past.

 

[JPOBS]

eh, sorry, I came off harshly in that last post.

First I wanna clarify that I don't consider stating the -fact- that they hate us, as displaying animosity towards them. its just a fact.. idk.

Second, I agree that me calling their list "stupid" probably is an indication of animosity towards them. I should have chosen a more accurate way to describe their reasons for disliking us. Ill-founded, illogical, misunderstood, misconceived would all have been better words and not carried negative connotations, but i went with stupid cuz it was the easiest lol.

But really this is all kinda beside the point. The bigger thing I was getting at was that their reasons for disliking us have always been illogical. But thats human nature, they hate what they don't understand. What I was addressing is people ITT who were advocating the idea that we should be trying to promote an image of the community and try to snuggle up and get cozy with SRK, and that somehow the pokemon themesong is some huge blow to our image. I understand the emphasis on wanting to be accepted by the larger FG community, but people are proposing ideas that are completely unreasonable.

 

[Cobalt]

Ah, yeah, totally cool with that. I don't care either way about the Pokemon thing. It's a piece of history at least, lol.

 

[Cactuar]

@Cobalt: The point I was making is that the concepts of reading your opponent and the situation are incorporated, which was a big part of your wallotext. It isn't purely reaction and mechanics.

I really just think that L-canceling isn't the best example. The argument you are trying to have could be better applied elsewhere.

 

[Cobalt]

That's the thing, it doesn't seem to me that reading is incorporated at all. Figuring out what timing to press L is based on reacting to the situation you and your opponent are in and quickly calculating the relative time it will take you to touch the ground. I haven't seen any situations where someone angles their shield -after- an aerial comes out. But I'll take your word for it; I haven't experienced high enough levels of play in which people actually do this, so my only knowledge comes from videos. Either way, the main point still stands: Melee has a very high mechanical skill floor compared to 2D fighters which hurts its image as a thinking game.

 

[Battlecow]

I didn't read the thread, just the OP, but stable online play on Dolphin for anyone with a good computer doesn't seem like an impossibility a few years down the road, especially if someone works on it. Someone probably said that already. UP, UP, AND AWAY!

 

[beencake]

you have to be extremely tolerant and competent to play melee, i would say if you havent played by the time your 18 - 19 you have no chance of being any good, so if anything try to recruit younger players ( 14 - 17 ), ive realized alot of people are intimidated by how technical melee is that they just end up giving up (cough cough brawl), especially when you have work and college to attend to its hard to give melee a chance at a certain age.

 

[Divinokage]

Idk I started at 20, and I'm pretty good now.. If you have the warrior spirit then anything is possible. =) Just gotta believe you can do it, screw statistics honestly.

 

[Orko]

Idk I started at 20, and I'm pretty good now.. If you have the warrior spirit then anything is possible. =) Just gotta believe you can do it, screw statistics honestly.

<3 Kage.

I'm a new player to Smash, but I've been involved in many competitive scenes throughout the years. I think what Melee scene needs is recognition. I recall a remark my friend made going to our first smashfest. He turned to me and said,

"I can't believe this is happening. A month ago, I wouldn't have thought it was possible to be playing against amazing smash players."

So,
What are ideas for increasing awareness?

-Post fliers at the college about your smashfest. That's an easy way to get people excited about your smashfest and get some legitimacy.
-Meetup.com is another way to gain some consistency. They have a comment section, so that people can see that yes, Smash is still alive. Now with real people!
-The smashboards themselves! Making it easier to get those first few posts might benefit with helping new players feel more welcome into the community.