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Legend of Zelda Closest Real-World Culture to Hyrule?

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Danube Valley, the prime location of "Old European" Civilization



Before the glory that was Greece and Rome, even before the first cities of Mesopotamia or temples along the Nile, there lived in the Lower Danube Valley and the Balkan foothills people who were ahead of their time in art, technology and long-distance trade.

For 1,500 years, starting earlier than 5000 B.C., they farmed and built sizable towns, a few with as many as 2,000 dwellings. They mastered large-scale copper smelting, the new technology of the age. Their graves held an impressive array of exquisite headdresses and necklaces and, in one cemetery, the earliest major assemblage of gold artifacts to be found anywhere in the world.

The striking designs of their pottery speak of the refinement of the culture’s visual language. Until recent discoveries, the most intriguing artifacts were the ubiquitous terracotta “goddess” figurines, originally interpreted as evidence of the spiritual and political power of women in society.

New research, archaeologists and historians say, has broadened understanding of this long overlooked culture, which seemed to have approached the threshold of “civilization” status. Writing had yet to be invented, and so no one knows what the people called themselves. To some scholars, the people and the region are simply Old Europe.

The little-known culture is being rescued from obscurity in an exhibition, “The Lost World of Old Europe: the Danube Valley, 5000-3500 B.C.,” which opened last month at the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University. More than 250 artifacts from museums in Bulgaria, Moldova and Romania are on display for the first time in the United States. The show will run through April 25.

At its peak, around 4500 B.C., said David W. Anthony, the exhibition’s guest curator, “Old Europe was among the most sophisticated and technologically advanced places in the world” and was developing “many of the political, technological and ideological signs of civilization.”

Dr. Anthony is a professor of anthropology at Hartwick College in Oneonta, N.Y., and author of “The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.” Historians suggest that the arrival in southeastern Europe of people from the steppes may have contributed to the collapse of the Old Europe culture by 3500 B.C.

At the exhibition preview, Roger S. Bagnall, director of the institute, confessed that until now “a great many archaeologists had not heard of these Old Europe cultures.” Admiring the colorful ceramics, Dr. Bagnall, a specialist in Egyptian archaeology, remarked that at the time “Egyptians were certainly not making pottery like this.”

A show catalog, published by Princeton University Press, is the first compendium in English of research on Old Europe discoveries. The book, edited by Dr. Anthony, with Jennifer Y. Chi, the institute’s associate director for exhibitions, includes essays by experts from Britain, France, Germany, the United States and the countries where the culture existed.

Dr. Chi said the exhibition reflected the institute’s interest in studying the relationships of well-known cultures and the “underappreciated ones.”

Although excavations over the last century uncovered traces of ancient settlements and the goddess figurines, it was not until local archaeologists in 1972 discovered a large fifth-millennium B.C. cemetery at Varna, Bulgaria, that they began to suspect these were not poor people living in unstructured egalitarian societies. Even then, confined in cold war isolation behind the Iron Curtain, Bulgarians and Romanians were unable to spread their knowledge to the West.

The story now emerging is of pioneer farmers after about 6200 B.C. moving north into Old Europe from Greece and Macedonia, bringing wheat and barley seeds and domesticated cattle and sheep. They established colonies along the Black Sea and in the river plains and hills, and these evolved into related but somewhat distinct cultures, archaeologists have learned. The settlements maintained close contact through networks of trade in copper and gold and also shared patterns of ceramics.

The Spondylus shell from the Aegean Sea was a special item of trade. Perhaps the shells, used in pendants and bracelets, were symbols of their Aegean ancestors. Other scholars view such long-distance acquisitions as being motivated in part by ideology in which goods are not commodities in the modern sense but rather “valuables,” symbols of status and recognition.

Noting the diffusion of these shells at this time, Michel Louis Seferiades, an anthropologist at the National Center for Scientific Research in France, suspects “the objects were part of a halo of mysteries, an ensemble of beliefs and myths.”
A fun fact: The Danube River is the largest river in Europe and cuts through the subcontinent from Germany to the Black Sea, similar to the Zora's River cutting through Hyrule to Lake Hylia (which in proportion to Hyrule, is about the same size as the Black Sea is to Europe).
 

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Interesting. It's strange how the Danube Valley actually looks like Hyrule. It looks like Zora's River and the Kakariko Village / Death Mountain area. If only a windmill and a graveyard were present...
 

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That is interesting. Especially the goddess part.

I think I see a re-dead in the background :chuckle:
 
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Legend of Zelda has some influence from the Egyptian culture as well. Notice the intro to WW, how everything is drawn in what looks like a modified version of hieroglyphics.

They believed in more than one god.

Also, in tombs, the Egyptians had things of personal importance and wealth with them in their grave.

Although Link doesn't infiltrate any graves, when he travels island to island looking for the Triforce of Courage, he stumbles upon some Hylian ruins that store a sacred treasure. If the treasure were human, the objects of wealth would be what's next to the sacred treasure. The pots FILLED with a whole bunch of rupees.

When I first saw it, reminded me of the Egyptians.
 

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Because of the mix of European culture with the Guedos having strong Islamic culture influences, I alawys felt that Hyrul had to be in that general area of Eurasia, near the Mediterranean, though I always thought it would be more in Turkey.
 

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I found this image on ween.com's main page, taken by a Siberian fan:



I love finding places in the world that are reminiscent of Hyrule.
 

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I've been thinking more and more about Hyrule's real-world influences and have almost concluded that it is based almost entirely on Ancient Italy and the Roman Empire. I'll set up some parallels:
Hyrule // Italy
Hyrule Castle Town // Rome (Hyrule Castle Town ca. TP sports very Romanesque architecture)
The Temple of Time // The Pantheon
Death Mountain // Mount Vesuvias
Kakariko Village // Pompeii
Gerudo Desert // Egypt (it was the primary desert region of the Roman world)

And then the rest is just too abstract to compare, like Lake Hylia could be based on any number of Italian lakes, etc.
 

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I've been thinking more and more about Hyrule's real-world influences and have almost concluded that it is based almost entirely on Ancient Italy and the Roman Empire. I'll set up some parallels:
Hyrule // Italy
Hyrule Castle Town // Rome (Hyrule Castle Town ca. TP sports very Romanesque architecture)
The Temple of Time // The Pantheon
Death Mountain // Mount Vesuvias
Kakariko Village // Pompeii
Gerudo Desert // Egypt (it was the primary desert region of the Roman world)

And then the rest is just too abstract to compare, like Lake Hylia could be based on any number of Italian lakes, etc.
You sport a very good point there. It does look very renacance era rome.
 

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I've been looking for this thread!

I've just started playing Wind Waker and during my art history class I started noticing some resemblances.

The Minoans
An Aegean Pre-Greek civilization. Very marine based, peaceful, advanced society. No war, no religion, technological advancements such as refrigeration, air conditioning, and plumbing. I'm pretty sure they were the fabled Atlantis.

The Phaistos Disc





Pottery









Architecture





I think it's striking. At least comparing to Wind Waker.
 

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The last one really looks like the Tower of the Gods first room O_O
 

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Awesome Meno! Yeah, Art History classes have really opened my eyes in terms of Zelda lore. For instance, the room in the Temple of Time in TP where you fight the Darknut and obtain the Dominion Rod is completely inspired by the Roman Pantheon. On top of that, the architecture throughout the temple is very classical and Romanesque. The initial entrance (that we were originally introduced to in OoT) highly resembles Romanesque cathedrals, but the deep recesses that are futher explored in TP are much more classicized. Seeing as how OoT takes place in what can be compared to our Renaissance, it can be interpreted that TP and WW take place during the equivalent colonial/industrial revolution age. With that being said, it is my firm belief that there is a lot of history predating OoT and that there were ancient civilizations in lieu of the Greeks, Romans, Aegeans, Minoans, Egyptians, Persians, Assyrians, Sumerians and what have you. The Temple of Time is a testament (hence its name, having stood the test of time) to these ancient people, a race of people who I believe the ancient sages were members of. Seeing as how the ancient sages built the Temple of Time, they very well could have been. Skyward Sword will most likely clear a lot of this up.
 

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The myth of Atlantis is based on Minoans, yes, but it's not true that they had no war and religion. Come on.
 

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Well, ...simplification.

They did have the goddess thing going on.
 

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The Minotaur comes from Minoan culture, and it had a very religious purpose, hence why it is now a staple in Greek mythology. Minoans actually created these dome-vaulted tombs for their deceased, which was very much unlike anything else from the region.
 
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