Chrome's official dumb-*** sheik question thread

[ADHD]

I ask alot of questions so I'd thought I'd update this thread every now and then so I don't cover the page with threads.

1) Crouch canceling, you crouch before an attack and you counter attack correct? Until generally what percent can this be done?
2) I noticed while experimenting with some stuff, fox can almost tech everything I could do, how can you combo this guy he is so secretly fat and falls incredibly fast.
3) How often should sheik wavedash?
4) Who are the best sheik players I should watch? (All I know is capn jack and forward)

 

[KirbyKaze]

1) needle cancelling is just what happens when you land on a strip of land or platform while you're in the aerial needle animation. the lag from the needle throw gets cancelled and then you can do whatever. it's most spammable from platforms but it can be done on flatland.

2) no you can hit their body/head/appendages.

3) d-throw. if they go for the platform and you call their tech then dair launches nicely. if you call a spot-dodge you can dair, sort of like falcon only not as effective. and whenever you think it will work.

 

[ADHD]

I asked some new stuff.

 

[Grunt]

1) Crouch Canceling, You Crouch Before An Attack And You Counter Attack Correct? Until Generally What Percent Can This Be Done?

about 50%(?)

2) I Noticed While Experimenting With Some Stuff, Fox Can Almost Tech Everything I Could Do, How Can You Combo This Guy He Is So Secretly Fat And Falls Incredibly Fast.

uh, My Bro Usually Spams Dash Attack, Grabs And Ftilt Until He Can Throw Me In The Air To Fair. Remember, Sheik Can't Combo.

3) How Often Should Sheik Wavedash?

as Often As Every Other Character. Use It For Spacing Purposes.

4) Who Are The Best Sheik Players I Should Watch? (all I Know Is Capn Jack And Forward)

drephen. i saw a combo vid of Nihonjin with some pretty cool fox combos, mb look for it too.

B-b-b-bolded

 

[einthesuperdog]

1) depends on the attack. I don't see a lot of sheiks CC too much, possibly because sheiks tend to be aggressive, and even defensively she has better (spamier) options. I guess it's like any other move where you just have to be smart about using it. Sheik is light so even 50% may be high.

2)I'd check Plank's FAQ and match up guide. Also Brickman's match ups. Good ****. Your right that fox can be hard to combo. He's just a hard match up in general. Tech chasing is your friend. Instead of trying to always get long combos, you may want to focus on slowly racking percentage and then getting him off the ledge. Sheik has a lot of options to **** fox's recovery, so in this case your edge game may be more important.

3)Gawd this debate. Relative to other characters, Sheik's wavedash is kinda meh. It's not terrible, just middling. That being said, it will make you faster, and is important for spacing just as Grunt mentioned. Wavedashing into d-smashes, jabs, and grabs are favored options. She's a flexible character so it's generally best to experiment and develop your own style.

4)Definitely Nihonjin.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7lIcE_-tWv8&locale=en_CA&persist_locale=1
amazing

Korean DJ was considered to have one of the best sheiks in the country a while ago, I dunno about now. You should look him up all the same.
Friend of the Night and All Dis ***** Do is Grab, Forward and Drephen respectively, are basically necessary.
Soap's Needle video is also awe inspiring.

Feels good to do something productive in the sheik threads again.

 

[ADHD]

What is the best way to edgehog? How do you put wavedashing in sheik's game?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I ask alot of questions so I'd thought I'd update this thread every now and then so I don't cover the page with threads.

1) Crouch canceling, you crouch before an attack and you counter attack correct? Until generally what percent can this be done?
2) I noticed while experimenting with some stuff, fox can almost tech everything I could do, how can you combo this guy he is so secretly fat and falls incredibly fast.
3) How often should sheik wavedash?
4) Who are the best sheik players I should watch? (All I know is capn jack and forward)

1) hold down. generally. it just makes it easier to do it on command. during your games when you're not committed to somehting or have committed to a move that could be punished (ie. it hasn't hit) just hold down and be ready to cc into d-smash, d-tilt, grab, etc. and it depends on the move. strong hits stop being ccable as early as 40 if it's like fox's u-smash. weaker hits like dash attacks can go up to like 90 if you do it right. depends on the move. just play a lot and get a feel for what you can and can't cc.

2) you don't combo fox until after 40-50. you tech chase him. dash attack, regrab, u-smash, d-smash, even aerials. if you REALLY want to combo fox at low %s if they don't cc much you can u-throw them onto a platform and then chase with uair and combo from there (provided you hit the uair). it's pretty good as a trick, it worked fine vs jman in out pools match, but it's mostly just a trick. d-throw tech chasing is still better probably.

3) a lot. her wavedash is one of the faster ones, and it helps you space into f-tilt when fox nairs to approach, etc. it's an amazing spacing tool and helps you fakeout people you should be using it regularly. wd back out of shield vs fox is brokenly amazing. so is wd forward out of shield vs marth after he does anything laggy. wd is awesome.

4) m2k is good for learning how to fight in general. so is koreandj. i think keepspeedn is good for understanding how to play her defensively against ic and characters who can punish her too hard for constant aggression to be the best option (hardcore camping lol). drephen is good mostly because of his sets with dashizwiz and forward from pound 2. they're old but they're a good way of looking at some of the common tech chase options and their application and some tricks. m2k and dj are the best to watch though, i think.

 

[ADHD]

Sooooooo........ i've heard of different ways of edghogging with sheik like needle cancel to edgehog and what is the most efficient way? Thanks for the help guys.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

2) tech chase the little fella alot. also, utilt combos him very well at almost an percent if you can connect with one... utilt->jab, utilt->grab, utilt->dsmash, utilt->ftilt->utilt->utilt.... you get the idea

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sooooooo........ i've heard of different ways of edghogging with sheik like needle cancel to edgehog and what is the most efficient way? Thanks for the help guys.

The pivot hog is probably the most efficient, if you're not counting something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWBpcACWUs To pivot hog, simply walk to the edge at maximum walking speed and then as you reach the edge, turn around. The momentum carries you off and you edgehog. It's very, very fast.

The vanish hog, however, is much easier I think and harder to mess up. To do it just run and when you get to the edge up+B and then you should slide off the stage in up+B (the explosion), at which point you angle towards the stage and edgehog. It also has an attack hitbox if you wanna be gimmicky.

Alternatively, just wavedashing backwards, or jumping and doing a needle turn around cancel so you face the edge are good options and amazingly simple/easy.

 

[ADHD]

The pivot hog is probably the most efficient, if you're not counting something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWBpcACWUs To pivot hog, simply walk to the edge at maximum walking speed and then as you reach the edge, turn around. The momentum carries you off and you edgehog. It's very, very fast.

The vanish hog, however, is much easier I think and harder to mess up. To do it just run and when you get to the edge up+B and then you should slide off the stage in up+B (the explosion), at which point you angle towards the stage and edgehog. It also has an attack hitbox if you wanna be gimmicky.

Alternatively, just wavedashing backwards, or jumping and doing a needle turn around cancel so you face the edge are good options and amazingly simple/easy.

Wow really? The up b thing, isn't that really slow though? That has to be the easiest way to edgehog

 

[KirbyKaze]

up+b thing is faster than wavedash sometimes because wavedash requires you to turn around. so the advantage is that you can dash right into it. if you hold towards the edge AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE THE STAGE and right after the explosion then you should grab the edge with decent speed.

wavedashing backwards and then fast falling is probably faster, but again the catch is that you have to be turned around. when you fast fall you have to hold towards the edge btw. or you can just wavedash backwards with no fast fall, sheik has a medium fall speed so if you do it early you'll usually reach the edge when you need to.

 

[Luma]

1) Crouch canceling, you crouch before an attack and you counter attack correct? Until generally what percent can this be done?
1) depends highly on the attack, even if you cant do a counter-attack after you could survive with that CC, you may die aswell, experience is the key

2) I noticed while experimenting with some stuff, fox can almost tech everything I could do, how can you combo this guy he is so secretly fat and falls incredibly fast.
techchase, ground = grab, dashattack, downsmash, tilt, plattform = air

3) How often should sheik wavedash?
perfect use of wavedashing isnt that easy, experience ^^ (watch a lot of videos), but i can tell you 1 thing, wavedash out of shield

4) Who are the best sheik players I should watch? (All I know is capn jack and forward)
nihonjin (Amsah), best shiek in the world imo

5) What is the best way to edgehog?
depends where you are, but normally shorthop needle cancle turnaround to fastfall

2a)
maybe these vids will help you against fox (even though its pal)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9UYYT9Y1dB8&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ILBBnw9b8gs

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPM7Mp67Fjk

 

[Sans Glutin]

Cool sheik Luma..

I have a question now:

What are the major differences between Sheik in the PAL version opposed to the other version?

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Uair is weaker, down throw sends them away much farther meaning you can't CG and you have fewer ways to combo out of it.

 

[Luma]

in pal you cant cg with her downthrow + the upair isnt a finisher, which makes it much harder to play against chars like peach, which can easily be killed with dthrow to uair in ntsc, in pal you have to find other ways ^^

 

[soap]

bair spam kills all......