Choose 3 characters for an "Echo Fighter Pass"

[TheCJBrine]

Ninten would be cool but imo he should be a semi-clone instead of an echo; the only specials that Ness and Lucas have that are in Ninten's game are PK Freeze, PK Fire and PK Thunder, and it'd be cool if Ninten used PK Beam, 4th-D Slip, and maybe Offense or Defense Up as well as Power Shield + PSI Shield or other moves exclusive to Mother.

 

[Xigger]

Dixie, Octoling, Big Boss. IMO they're the perfect echoes.

 

[Mike Arcade]

My choices would have to be Ms. Pac-Man, Zack Fair, and Dark Meta Knight.

I'd have some other choices but for the life of me I can't remember who else I'd pick, but hey for 3 Echo Fighters you can't go wrong with these ones.

Edit: No wait I remember now, Blood Falcon could be a fun choice! I've seen some posts go for Dry Bowser, Dr. Luigi, and Hilda. Gotta say they are some great choices.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Black Shadow, Medusa and Octoling

 

[ChronoBound]

I think additional echo fighters would actually be very well received, especially so if the choices are well made.

 

[newsuperhackboys]

1: Ninten (EarthBound) (Ness's Echo)
Mother tends to not have that many representatives aside from well, those 2.
2: Tails (Sonic) (Sonic) (& Knuckes)
Shadow is an assist trophy so Tails should fill the role instead. He would be like Sonic, maybe slightly slower but perhaps a little stronger. He could use his tails as a neutral attack. His Up B could just be his flying ability.
Note: Tails does appear in the Green Hill Zone Stage but Alfonzo! So just replace him with Cream in level and bam!
3: Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong) (Diddy Kong)
Second Highly requested character since King K. Rool. Personally, I doubt she could be an echo but Daisy is an echo of Peach and uses some abilities that she normally doesn't do (Toads, Bomber, Parasol, Vegetables, etc.) so it wouldn't be a major surprise. Just like Tails, her Up B would completely change. She would use her hair as a recovery and she could also use it as a grab.

Also, all of these character are spirits, but so are playable fighters, so it's not a big deal.

 

[volbound1700]

As crazy as this sounds, right now I would love to have Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow as echoes or semi-echoes of Sonic.

 

[Deleted member]

Glass Joe over Little Mac (I just REALLY want a new joke character in the vein of Pichu, the closest thing to it we got is over /, but still want a new real joke character that is objectively worse than the fighter it's based off of)

Slippy Toad over Fox (Another Joke Character, not the exact same as Fox, he mixes it up with another characters moveset like , I just want him weak with a 50% chance of harming himself with each attack, yet heavier than Fox/Falco/Wolf)

Blood Falcon over Captain Falcon (Exact same moves as Ganondorf, for all those who main Ganondorf, mainly if Blood Falcon is in, Maybe Ganon will finally get his own original moveset?)

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Every time someone says Medusa should be an echo fighter of Palutena I die a little. How to prove you've never played Uprising in one statement. She's not even the main villain of the game smh.

 

[FalcoXP]

Every time someone says Medusa should be an echo fighter of Palutena I die a little. How to prove you've never played Uprising in one statement. She's not even the main villain of the game smh.

Medusa was the main villain in the original game tho.

I would prefer Hades, but he has to be a brand new char instead of an echo.

 

[Nepht]

Cranky Kong, Wart and Fawful (Fawful uses gadgets so could easily be a Bowser Jr echo fighter).

 

[Fatmanonice]

Every time someone says Medusa should be an echo fighter of Palutena I die a little. How to prove you've never played Uprising in one statement. She's not even the main villain of the game smh.

I played through Kid Icarus twice and 100% it. As FalcoXP said, she was the villain of the original and was a bait and switch in Uprising. Honestly, if you really think about, she's not that different from characters like Dedede in how he was "the Big Bad™" in one mainline game and overshadowed by bigger villains in others like Kirby's Adventure. Dedede getting possessed by the main villain is even a reoccurring theme and happens in four games.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Ninten (Ness): Different up and down smashes, bat is aluminum, psi rockin as final smash.

Dixie (Diddy): Unique up b that works as a mix of parasol and spinning kong. Grab uses hair, popgun is bubblegum, different final smash.

Black Shadow (Captain Falcon): Side b is bull rush , charges with horns, different final smash. Takes Ganons f tilt, ganons old up smash, and falcons old fsmash.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

3 Echoes:
- Octoling (Inkling)
- Zack (Cloud)
- Medusa (Palutena)

3 Semi Clones:
- Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
- Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
- Celica (Robin)

3 MORE Semi Clones, all promotion from Final Smash Cameo a la Chrom and one is a semi clone of a hypothetical newcomer which will be italicized:
- Proto Man (Mega Man)
- Kumatora (Lucas)
- Fiora (Elma)

Honorable mention:
- Disco Kid (Little Mac semi clone)

 

[Kirbeh]

As crazy as this sounds, right now I would love to have Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow as echoes or semi-echoes of Sonic.

Not crazy at all really. Knuckles and Shadow are of course already accounted for as ATs so it won't happen this time around but realistically that'd be perfectly doable. We already have precedent of similar characters and groups of similar characters like shotos in SF aren't anything new. And in general characters with a common theme have always been a thing in fighting games. In Smash we've already got:
Mario Bros.
Space Animals
Lords (this one is ended up working out pretty well funnily enough as the remaining unique FE reps aren't lords)

Though third parties are allowed echoes perhaps a full set of 4 Sonic characters may be considered too much, but given how popular he is, especially among Nintendo fans, and the close relationship Nintendo has with SEGA, it could work without using up too much time or resources if they were so inclined to give it a shot.

They all have their own unique traits and abilities but when you break it down, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow can already do most everything Sonic can in the actual games so basing them all on him would work well.

Tails and Knuckles would probably need a few more changes to their normal attacks, but they'd definitely work as semi-clones with Shadow working well as Echo even if he got a few changes as well. Though the line is a bit blurry when is an Echo but isn't.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Though the line is a bit blurry when is an Echo but isn't.

To be fair, Sakurai admits that Ken is not what echoes are supposed to be.

 

[Kirbeh]

To be fair, Sakurai admits that Ken is not what echoes are supposed to be.

This is where I'd ask "Then why categorize him as an Echo in the first place?" but it's Sakurai so I know the answer is Ken's legacy as originally being a straight up clone character. Still doesn't change the blur caused by him or the Doc though. Not really a big deal to me as I've always enjoyed clone/semi-clone characters, but it is a bit inconsistent.

 

[shocktarts17]

This is where I'd ask "Then why categorize him as an Echo in the first place?" but it's Sakurai so I know the answer is Ken's legacy as originally being a straight up clone character. Still doesn't change the blur caused by him or the Doc though. Not really a big deal to me as I've always enjoyed clone/semi-clone characters, but it is a bit inconsistent.

On top of what you said I suspect they started with a more echo-y Ken and just kept making "just this one more" small changes to get him to feel more like Ken until they got where he is now and just decided to call him an echo because that's what he was supposed to be.

 

[Zieges]

Impa as a Shiek echo, although a lot of people want that.

Prince Poo as a Ness echo. (Sword of Kings could replace the bat)

Machamp as a Incineroar echo. (4 arms = More fun)

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I played through Kid Icarus twice and 100% it. As FalcoXP said, she was the villain of the original and was a bait and switch in Uprising. Honestly, if you really think about, she's not that different from characters like Dedede in how he was "the Big Bad™" in one mainline game and overshadowed by bigger villains in others like Kirby's Adventure. Dedede getting possessed by the main villain is even a reoccurring theme and happens in four games.

That's fair, but I don't see her being reasonable as an echo fighter at all. Palutena's special moves are all based off of the goddess powers you use in uprising, which aren't really anything Medusa has been shown to use at all. I have no problem with Medusa herself, but her being an echo fighter of Palutena is kinda like saying Dixie should be an echo fighter, just because she CAN be doesn't mean she SHOULD be. Hades would work better as an echo fighter, granted of Ganondorf instead of a KI character.

 

[volbound1700]

Not crazy at all really. Knuckles and Shadow are of course already accounted for as ATs so it won't happen this time around but realistically that'd be perfectly doable. We already have precedent of similar characters and groups of similar characters like shotos in SF aren't anything new. And in general characters with a common theme have always been a thing in fighting games. In Smash we've already got:
Mario Bros.
Space Animals
Lords (this one is ended up working out pretty well funnily enough as the remaining unique FE reps aren't lords)

Though third parties are allowed echoes perhaps a full set of 4 Sonic characters may be considered too much, but given how popular he is, especially among Nintendo fans, and the close relationship Nintendo has with SEGA, it could work without using up too much time or resources if they were so inclined to give it a shot.

They all have their own unique traits and abilities but when you break it down, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow can already do most everything Sonic can in the actual games so basing them all on him would work well.

Tails and Knuckles would probably need a few more changes to their normal attacks, but they'd definitely work as semi-clones with Shadow working well as Echo even if he got a few changes as well. Though the line is a bit blurry when is an Echo but isn't.

Honestly, I really just want the Mii costumes back. I thought the gunner Mii was a cool moveset for Tails. I hate that the Mii costumes haven't returned.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Honestly, I really just want the Mii costumes back. I thought the gunner Mii was a cool moveset for Tails. I hate that the Mii costumes haven't returned.

They're likely to return as DLC. The reason they weren't in the base game is so that the 3rd party companies can make more money from them. It sucks from our standpoint, but we're almost assuredly getting most, if not all of them back.

 

[Rayleigh]

I'm a sucker for semi-clones, so:

Fusion Suit Samus - A Hybrid style (a fusion, if you well...yes, you have permission to end my existence) of Samus and Zero Suit Samus. Imagine ZSS, but with Normal Samus' Specials and usage of the grapple beam to replace the taser gun where appropriate.

Clown Car Bowser - Imagine Bowser Jr....but bigger, beefier, access to fire breath, and maybe super armor. It's such a dumb idea, but I *really* love it and I don't know why. Make him the actual slowest character, but give him good air gameplay and a god-tier recovery move (AKA King K. Rool's) to compensate.

Toad - Imagine Mario...but smaller and faster. Just give him some animation adjustments and replace his down-B with turnips and you have yourself...what do you mean we already have a mario echo!? But he worked hard for his degr- Fine, fine...cut to the next idea!

Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard - Alright, but imagine if we made each one of these its own character? Make them each a little stronger and give them a down-B. Picking a single one lets you play your favorite one even better...but you lose the versatility of changing mid-battle in order to disrupt your opponent.

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Here's a link to more dumb ideas.

 

[volbound1700]

They're likely to return as DLC. The reason they weren't in the base game is so that the 3rd party companies can make more money from them. It sucks from our standpoint, but we're almost assuredly getting most, if not all of them back.

Thanks... I am keeping my fingers crossed. Unlike the other Smash games, this has been the only game that has seen none of my wanted characters in it. I kind of wanted Simon Belmont and King K Rool so I am very happy they made it. I also like Ridley and Inkling but the rest of the characters are meh to me. Getting all of the characters back was the big hype that caused me to get this game.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

My picks for an echo pass would be Hilda, Proto Man/Roll and Dixie Kong.

All Echos move at the same speed and are the same weight so we'll go with Chrom level differences.

Hilda would use Zelda's old voice clips and more reserved animations and her tilts would be based off Palutena's
Proto Man, in line with his Glass Cannon status would take increased damage but make up for it with having permanent back armor (not total but significant) and stronger lemons. Roll on the other hand would be smaller than Mega Man but lack some of his range.
Dixie Kong seems kind of obvious.

 

[newsuperhackboys]

Clown Car Bowser - Imagine Bowser Jr....but bigger, beefier, access to fire breath, and maybe super armor. It's such a dumb idea, but I *really* love it and I don't know why. Make him the actual slowest character, but give him good air gameplay and a god-tier recovery move (AKA King K. Rool's) to compensate.-------------

It’ a dumb idea but it’s just be so cool! If items could get DLC, make the Clown Car one.

 

[Plague von Karma]

Ninten to echo Ness (they're pretty different in the games but it's the best we'll get)
Hades to echo Palutena because god he does not get enough appreciation
Zack Fair to echo Cloud

 

[Deleted member]

Raichu, Pikachu but does more damage and is a tidbit heavier (not too much to make gameplay sluggish though (though is it me or do all the heavyweights feel so much faster to play as then in previous smash games?))

Tails (since Shadow is already deconfirmed, F) higher and somewhat floaty jumps, but attacks do slightly less damage (same knockback though)

Alph, Rock Pikmin are added (Purple Pikmin with shorter throw but break shields easily) and the Winged Pikmin recovery has more Winged Pikmin thus taking you higher easier, but no White/Purple Pikmin. Brittany is now a recolour for Alph and Louie is a recolour for Olimar instead.

 

[Rayleigh]

It’ a dumb idea but it’s just be so cool! If items could get DLC, make the Clown Car one.

...Bowser Jr.

...in a clown car...

...that's in a clown car...

...I want this and I will fight you all to have it.

 

[Zinith]

Boshi
Impa
Boshi
Shadow
Boshi
And did I mention Boshi ?

 

[Idon]

Raidou Kuzunoha as an echo for Joker.
Impa for Sheik.
Octoling for Inkling.

 

[UserKev]

Doc Louis - Echo of Little Mac
Dixie Kong - Echo of Diddy Kong
Rodin - Echo of Bayonetta

 

[Deleted member]

Jeanne
Medusa
Blood Falcon

 

[Grie]

Mario: koopa troopa.
This one is really weird but hear me out. Odyssey had the koopa races where you raced against basically koopa’s with mario’s moves? Well same thing here, but with special that make more sense like hammers replacing fireballs, a squirtle like shell dash instead of cape and other koopa/hammer bro abilities.

Ike: hector
While black knight could make more sense, I would beg to differ. Hector and ike move and fight in a very similar way (except one uses and axe instead of a sword) it would just be a matter of tweaking the hit boxes to match the axe and replacing some of the weirder specials like eruption. They could also use some of Ike’s old moves like is up air from sm4sh.

Sonic: tails
There are a ton of sonic characters that could fit the bill, but tails works the best out of all the ones we have. Even back in sonic 2 he was practically the same character except he could fly. So replace spring with the helicopter tail and voila, new sonic character.

 

[P47]

Shadow as a Sonic Echo: Pretty self explanatory.

Gooey as a Kirby Echo: Gooey could have a tether grab and a different Up B (Dark Laser Flare from KSA). While it'd probably be too much work for an Echo (since he'd need a lot of completely new animations) it'd be really cool to have the original Kirby P2 (unless you count Keeby or TAC in Super Star).

Kat and Ana as an Ice Climbers Echo: I doubt Echos can come from different series but I feel like this could work surprisingly well. Just change the Neutral B to throw shurikens instead of icicles as well as make them faster and more lightweight than Icies.

 

[CboyC95]

Well, my picks are:

• Jeanne (Bayonetta)
• Medusa (Palutena)
• Octoling (Inkling)

Here are some more just because I want to get them out there:

• Sakura (Ryu)
• Brittany (Olimar)
• Dark Meta Knight (Meta Knight)
• Blood Falcon (Captain Falcon)
• Coco Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot) (If he gets in)
• Bow Kid (Hat Kid) (If she gets in)
• Tostada (Juan Aguacate) (If he gets in)
• Shadow (Sonic)
• Ms. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)

 

[Akg0001]

Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong)
Octoling (Incling)
Impa (Sheik)

 

[afrozenaer0]

-Akuma for Ryu
-Shadow for Sonic
-Dry Bowser for Bowser
-Galacta Knight for Meta Knight
-Ninten for Ness (Ness uses moves in Smash he can't in Earthbound the same would go for Ninten)
-Proto Man for Mega Man

 

[TheCJBrine]

-Ninten for Ness (Ness uses moves in Smash he can't in Earthbound the same would go for Ninten

Yeah but PK Starstorm and PK Flash don’t exist in the first Mother game.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah but PK Starstorm and PK Flash don’t exist in the first Mother game.

i dont think thatd be a problem for smash