Charby's Tips/Tricks

[Charby]

Here We Go

FOR ZSS MAINER ONLY

My discoveries.

Tips/Tricks Shown:

-Reversal Dashing Special

-Rushing / Retreating Neutral B

-Double Down B Canceled

-Down B WallJump Mechanic

-Double Buffered Bair

-Killing Buffered Fair



Explanation Later
Gonna Updated Later

Here the link of the video i promised

Charby Demonstration on BattleField

 

[Nefarious B]

The double down b looks really nice but does it only work on the ledge of a platform? It'd be really nice if we could cancel that landing lag somehow.

 

[noradseven]

Those are my secret moves theif, ohh well you don't do the godly pivot f-roll, uh-oh I have said too much.

Also double down B, figures it works the same was as pits up B sorta more of a run off the edge, do you know if you can buffer it during jump and do it too, or fall though platform instant do it, Ill test myself but Im a bit lazy, and other games.

Seriously most of the movement things such as the dash shielding and stuff is very important for brawl play. Also lol at neutral B air cancel the only way to use the neutral B.

 

[Hence]

The lagless down+b was originally discovered by Dazwa and is named "The Samus Knee." But your use of the top platform is new to me. Awesome discovery, Charby. Grounded B Reversal has been known for quite a while though. I believe the Marth boards were the first to discover it. Flip Jump Stall was taught to Snakeee by someone last year, and I guess everyone should know how to do it from watching his matches. XD

Buffered B-Air and F-Air are amazing, good stuff!

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Buffered fair looks awesome

 

[Charby]

The lagless down+b was originally discovered by Dazwa and is named "The Samus Knee." But your use of the top platform is new to me. Awesome discovery, Charby. Grounded B Reversal has been known for quite a while though. I believe the Marth boards were the first to discover it. Flip Jump Stall was taught to Snakeee by someone last year, and I guess everyone should know how to do it from watching his matches. XD

Buffered B-Air and F-Air are amazing, good stuff!

I didnt want to show the flip jump stall but the way to walljump on purpose , nvm
And for the reversal stuff , it's on a fullcourse is that you mean?

 

[noradseven]

Yeah buffering in brawl rules, its a bit long in the amount of space but still very nice, I'm used to like a 8 frame buffer limit or like SF where it there is no buffering O_o, it took me a few months to get used to but its very useful for making moves easy.

Maybe Ill upload some vids of a few of my movement stuff, also down B stall is god on jungle japes.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

The lagless down+b was originally discovered by Dazwa and is named "The Samus Knee."

Nah, the only thing I discovered was that a <100% getup attack on Battlefield lines up down+B perfectly to auto-edgecancel on the lower platforms.

 

[sasook]

That stuff is pretty cool, especially the flip jump stuff.

Oh, and Dominatrix Suit Samus doesn't look as indecent as I originally thought. TBH, that hack really isn't a big deal to get worked up about, it looks fine to me.

 

[ThreeSided]

I've figured out:

-Reversal Dashing Special

-Rushing / Retreating Neutral B

-Double Down B Canceled (sorta)


I haven't quite figured out:

-Down B WallJump Mechanic

-Double Buffered Bair


I REAAAALLLY want to know:

-Killing Buffered Fair

 

[noradseven]

This is what I was talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmC8qOwtf8c , I love ****ty mac cam

 

[ph00tbag]

I certainly don't think Charby's claiming that he discovered edge canceled Flip Jumps. I'm pretty sure that I was doing those in training mode when I first got the game, as was everyone that was playing the character. If I use them at all, I use them differently, though. Even so, Charby's use of them there is really fun to watch.

 

[Yankee]

What advantage does the buffered fair have when compared to the normal fair? Speed? Height? Kinda hard to see in the video, then again maybe its just me missing the obvious.

 

[James Sparrow]

****ing sweet.

 

[noradseven]

What advantage does the buffered fair have when compared to the normal fair? Speed? Height? Kinda hard to see in the video, then again maybe its just me missing the obvious.

It comes out at the earliest possible moment I don't know what is so hard about it, sure the timing is a bit tight but its still p. easy.

 

[Yankee]

It comes out at the earliest possible moment I don't know what is so hard about it, sure the timing is a bit tight but its still p. easy.

Oh so its like the same way you simultaneous pick up an item off the ground and use an ariel without throwing it. I'm a buffering newbie Seems like a nice way to kill.

 

[D.D]

How do you do the Rushing / Retreating Neutral B. Im kinda stuck on it :O

 

[Corrupted]

Who is tall enough to be hit by a sh buffered bair?

 

[Rybaia]

Who is tall enough to be hit by a sh buffered bair?

I think ROB and Snake..
I use buffered Bair oos, it works very well agains a miss spaced aerial attacks.

 

[Corrupted]

Yeah that was the thought behind it. Is that all?

 

[Rybaia]

Today I've hit a Yoshi so probably the first Bair can also hit medium-short characters..

 

[Zero]

If properly spaced, it can hit most characters, besides the really short ones, MK, Kirby, Olimar and a few others.

Charby, what's the button input on retreating reverse neutral b, I can only get retreating side b >.<

 

[ThreeSided]

If properly spaced, it can hit most characters, besides the really short ones, MK, Kirby, Olimar and a few others.

Charby, what's the button input on retreating reverse neutral b, I can only get retreating side b >.<

Dash > return control stick to neutral position > Neutral-B > immediately press opposite direction.

 

[Charby]

Yes this is it
and for the side b its
Dash > Side B > immediately press opposite direction.

And you can also Neutral b/Side b air wave bounce with this

Dash > Jump > Neutral-B > immediately press opposite direction.
Dash > Jump > Side B > immediately press opposite direction from your special move

 

[gianhuertas]

Hi man, Im new here, Im from Peru, can u tell me how to perform the Double Flip jump??', is so nice :D

 

[ThreeSided]

Hi man, Im new here, Im from Peru, can u tell me how to perform the Double Flip jump??', is so nice :D

You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by "double flip jump".

 

[noradseven]

Hi man, Im new here, Im from Peru, can u tell me how to perform the Double Flip jump??', is so nice :D

Since your new here I suggest you check out our reference center, also learn to abuse u-air its hands down ZSS's best move.

Also my handbook probably still on the first page will have some cool info about how to play/ the most effective uses of each move.


As for your actual question, I don't think you can double flip stool.

Flip stool it self is done just by doing down B then pressing up when you are on top of the opponent, and I guess if you can still down B after that you could just do it again ???

 

[Zero]

Since he posted in this thread, I'm confident he's refering to the down b platform cancel. You have to land at the very edge of the platform, where the momentum of your down b will keep you moving, thus cancelling ending lag and renewing your jumps.

Not exactly sure though, so either Charby or someone else should explain.

 

[gianhuertas]

Since he posted in this thread, I'm confident he's refering to the down b platform cancel. You have to land at the very edge of the platform, where the momentum of your down b will keep you moving, thus cancelling ending lag and renewing your jumps.

Not exactly sure though, so either Charby or someone else should explain.

Tanks you, my english isnt so good, I wanna know how to do : Double Down B Canceled
Maybe some people dont understand me XD

In Peru many people play Smash brawl whit a High level too :D Im glad if u come and batle whit us

Sorry for my Spàninglish tanks

 

[Nefarious B]

Tanks you, my english isnt so good, I wanna know how to do : Double Down B Canceled
Maybe some people dont understand me XD

In Peru many people play Smash brawl whit a High level too :D Im glad if u come and batle whit us

Sorry for my Spàninglish tanks

hahah that's great im actually going to peru in a few weeks. where in peru do you guys play?

 

[Charby]

Since he posted in this thread, I'm confident he's refering to the down b platform cancel. You have to land at the very edge of the platform, where the momentum of your down b will keep you moving, thus cancelling ending lag and renewing your jumps.

Not exactly sure though, so either Charby or someone else should explain.

Zero Explained it , it's the trick

 

[gianhuertas]

hahah that's great im actually going to peru in a few weeks. where in peru do you guys play?

Nice, I have been talking about to my friends and they are so exited!! We live in Arequipa, its the second biggest city on the country and its included in the most of travels to Perú

How many days are u coming to Peru !? Are u coming to Arequipa city?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Charby could you post a video of the reverse paralyzer (neutral b) momentum cancel?

 

[Charby]

I gonna try ok

 

[Nefarious B]

Bumping this to say that I've been testing with the buffered double bair, and this is freakin amazing. I'm wondering why I haven't seen more people using this? IMO it's one of our best approaches, especially on taller characters that we can hit with the first hit.

Also, I'm having a hard time hitting with the second hit of buffered fair, is the timing just really strict or what?

And did the b reversal end up being worth using over down b?

And lastly for any of the newer zss mains, this is a great thread to learn some useful techs. Double bair is highly recommended. It was somewhat difficult for me to get down (bad tech skill) but absolutely worth it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

B reversal is not a legit cancel iirc.

 

[Blind Fremen]

maybe i missed it, but how do u do SH buffered (double) bair/fair? i cant even do a single one. do i use the c-stick?

 

[noradseven]

Abuse the c-stick with ZSS aireals, it makes fastfall b-air worlds easier, also makes fastfall u-air practical.

I actually on retreat have been experimenting a bit with shorthop away b-air, pivot neutral B landcancled. its p. solid.