well but yoshi can parry grab.
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Character Hitboxes - HARDCORE DOTS EDITION
- Thread starter Fireblaster
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Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
i hate pikachus Dash grab though...
Imo samus grab is better than Link's... not that much slower but quite larger and kinda mindgames the opponent aswell with that fake hit movement
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Pika's grab range is simply nice. Power and speed are also a good factor.
DK beats Pika in all those aspects though. Falcon's dash grab is certainly quite nice.
Ok, Yoshi has parry grab. Does that even make it better than the other two tethers? *thinks about it* Maybe Samus'
In terms of power, Samus' trumps all but the longer move duration PLUS slower speed REALLY makes samus vulnerable when she misses. Link's is probably the best, as it has decent damage, decent speed, and decent duration. Yoshi has crap range, crap power, decent speed. Combined with parry, it has its uses (less so, if you can parry usmash or parry djc) and you can also grab out of a djc fair on shield. You can also stop an nair short of a djc shield break and grab if you feel it would be in your best interest.
Link has fair, uair, and ff dair --> guaranteed grab
Samus has charged shot --> guaranteed grab (if close enough)
In all I would still say something like this
Link > Yoshi > Samus
Yoshi and samus switching are debatable. But I think link wins.
DK beats Pika in all those aspects though. Falcon's dash grab is certainly quite nice.
Ok, Yoshi has parry grab. Does that even make it better than the other two tethers? *thinks about it* Maybe Samus'
In terms of power, Samus' trumps all but the longer move duration PLUS slower speed REALLY makes samus vulnerable when she misses. Link's is probably the best, as it has decent damage, decent speed, and decent duration. Yoshi has crap range, crap power, decent speed. Combined with parry, it has its uses (less so, if you can parry usmash or parry djc) and you can also grab out of a djc fair on shield. You can also stop an nair short of a djc shield break and grab if you feel it would be in your best interest.
Link has fair, uair, and ff dair --> guaranteed grab
Samus has charged shot --> guaranteed grab (if close enough)
In all I would still say something like this
Link > Yoshi > Samus
Yoshi and samus switching are debatable. But I think link wins.
I think that when you know the exact moments to use samus grab, you almost never miss. Samus grab has an uber hax range plus a lot of power, also the grab hitbox is better than the others as it lasts longer (if i'm not wrong). Samus > Link > Yoshi
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
You have no idea how many times I thought I has a samus grab and then they rolled towards me and sidestepped the hitbox. They also had plenty of leisure to just turn around and U-smash me after that. I miss Samus' grab more than I miss Yoshi's or Link's
parry grabbing is extremely situational so i think in terms of whose grab is better i'd say
samus > link > yoshi
changed my mind
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Its not that situational when you get to a certain level...lol
If we are ranking these grabs we should do it from a really advanced mindset. Someone like prince, sossi or even sheer can parry grab fairly frequently.
Heck, I am starting to get the hang of it myself, and I am miles away from sheer. My yoshi is getting quite nice tho :3
If we are ranking these grabs we should do it from a really advanced mindset. Someone like prince, sossi or even sheer can parry grab fairly frequently.
Heck, I am starting to get the hang of it myself, and I am miles away from sheer. My yoshi is getting quite nice tho :3
The Star King
Smash Hero
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By "situational", I think he means Yoshi usually has a better option out of a parry, not that there are few situations where it can be done. I use parry grabbing quite a bit myself, but I have to admit that in most cases doing a djc aerial probably would have been a better choice.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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How is Yoshi's grab range abysmal? It's an effing tether grab.
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
I'll go with this one, this is my opinion too.
Not just for the combo stuff...
ballin4life
Smash Hero
Nothing angers me more than when I try to usmash out of shield (or parry usmash) and I grab (or parry grab) instead.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
To contribute to this discussion, I added:
- Reuploaded Samus's Grab
- Link's Grab
- Yoshi's Grab
rpotts
Smash Lord
I think you had already added Samus's grab, as there are now two grab links (seem to be identical)
Looking at the hitboxes it seems links is slightly faster moving that the others, but samus's is the longest lasting and largest, and yoshi's just sucks. relatively short range and short lasting, with still a bunch of ending lag.
Looking at the hitboxes it seems links is slightly faster moving that the others, but samus's is the longest lasting and largest, and yoshi's just sucks. relatively short range and short lasting, with still a bunch of ending lag.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Oops, that was my faulty organization. Can anyone suggest an easier format to organize these attacks? If I could make a table-like format, that'd be great but I don't know how.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
If you just color the Character Name and make it a little bigger then making an unordered list with all the moves for each character would suffice.
methinks
methinks
Gammelnorsk
Smash Ace
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i am requesting samus nair
and seriously sticky this thread wtf
and seriously sticky this thread wtf
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
What if you organized it by what it was, then have the character names as the gifs. Like.....
N-AIR:
Samus
DK
Mario
then
F-AIR
Samus
Yoshi
If you did it like that, then people would know what they were looking for, and could compare them to different characters side by side. It would also help people figure out what they want to see I think...... seeing a character absent in one of the sections would probably rase more questions about them. Like a Parry section, and have yoshi's parry, and c.falcos jump parry, and dk's down B parry. Just an idea.... not fully formed.....
N-AIR:
Samus
DK
Mario
then
F-AIR
Samus
Yoshi
If you did it like that, then people would know what they were looking for, and could compare them to different characters side by side. It would also help people figure out what they want to see I think...... seeing a character absent in one of the sections would probably rase more questions about them. Like a Parry section, and have yoshi's parry, and c.falcos jump parry, and dk's down B parry. Just an idea.... not fully formed.....
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Added:
- Samus nair
- Falcon high fsmash
- Falcon low fsmash
I like this idea. I'll implement it when I have time.
Blade689
Smash Journeyman
I figure Smash attacks and the basic moves will be easy to sort. Stuff like djc and parries can stand alone........ I will try and sort them out into different categories by friday, give you a draft list or something kk.
I kind of agree with gamme for once. they should turn this into a sticky. no more of this thread falling to the second page. I think we all have questioned we sort out here monthly.
I kind of agree with gamme for once. they should turn this into a sticky. no more of this thread falling to the second page. I think we all have questioned we sort out here monthly.
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
This thread is index material, and will not be stickied.
If anyone wants to keep posting these kinda of messages they'll receive minor spam warnings
just like i thought
samus: long range and lasts longer
link: faster than samus' grab but less range and disappears faster
yoshi: short range and it barely lasts
samus > link > yoshi
The main reason why I think Yoshi's grab is much worse is due to application. As said, why grab when Yoshi can just do a massive DJC combo or up tilt into something.
Samus:
Pros:
Useful as there usually isn't a better option when Samus can grab successfully
Charge shot to grab is a moderately easy setup
Very Long range
Powerful
Cons:
Very laggy
Is powerful enough that it is impossible to combo with it except for possibly on walls
Is poor at wall combos
Link:
Pros:
Powerful
Longer range than most
Not overly laggy compared to other grabs
Great at wall combos
Easy to setup due to many aerials.
Cons:
Shorter range than Samus's
Usually Link has a better option than grabbing
Yoshi
Pros
Long range
somewhat powerful
You can parry into it
Cons
Virtually no way to set it up as aerials are usually too slow
Parrying is difficult and situational
If the opponent just used a laggy move why would you want to grab when you can just do a move that combo's
Low power for how much lag it has
As said, Laggy
Samus=Link > Yoshi
Samus:
Pros:
Useful as there usually isn't a better option when Samus can grab successfully
Charge shot to grab is a moderately easy setup
Very Long range
Powerful
Cons:
Very laggy
Is powerful enough that it is impossible to combo with it except for possibly on walls
Is poor at wall combos
Link:
Pros:
Powerful
Longer range than most
Not overly laggy compared to other grabs
Great at wall combos
Easy to setup due to many aerials.
Cons:
Shorter range than Samus's
Usually Link has a better option than grabbing
Yoshi
Pros
Long range
somewhat powerful
You can parry into it
(your opponent is open, use a laggy move that doesn't combo)
Cons
Virtually no way to set it up as aerials are usually too slow
Parrying is difficult and situational
If the opponent just used a laggy move why would you want to grab when you can just do a move that combo's
Low power for how much lag it has
As said, Laggy
Samus=Link > Yoshi
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
All my GIFS are recorded at 10 FPS.
Added:
- DK's dsmash
- DK's fsmash
- Samus's down B
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
The Samus's Down B and DK's Fsmash are as I expected.
But the DK's Dsmash, **** it's good, just get sure it'll connect when you do it... xD
But the DK's Dsmash, **** it's good, just get sure it'll connect when you do it... xD
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
DKs Dsmash has good range but its knockback angle is awful.
I honestly thought his Fsmash would be bigger
I honestly thought his Fsmash would be bigger
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Added:
- Fox's dash attack
- Falcon's dash attack
- DK's dash attack
- Completely reworked organization of moves
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
looks good.
Samus' down b amuses me. They got so lazy about HIS animation, they just made the rest of HIS limbs invincible.
Samus' down b amuses me. They got so lazy about HIS animation, they just made the rest of HIS limbs invincible.
ballin4life
Smash Hero
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Fox's dash attack has a lot more range then i figured
and DKs dash attack hit box starts oddly early
and DKs dash attack hit box starts oddly early